Brad Stevens???

[MADXSTER]

Where will Brad Stevens be coaching next year?

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[gladdenguy]

In my opinion there are no jobs worth jumping too. Obviously he is going to receive a raise. I think he stays at least one more year.

[Titanxman04]

In my opinion there are no jobs worth jumping too. Obviously he is going to receive a raise. I think he stays at least one more year.

If Tom Izzo bolts to Oregon, which I think there's a chance considering he won't comment on such a job until his season is over, then Stevens might as well start buying into Sparty now, because he'll be offered more money than what Butler can hope to match, and on top of that, it's not like he's leaving from his recruiting specialty, which seems to be Indiana and the mid-west.

[MADXSTER]

Somebody's going to be throwing alot of money at this guy. And I mean alot.

[ford]

If Tom Izzo bolts to Oregon, which I think there's a chance considering he won't comment on such a job until his season is over, then Stevens might as well start buying into Sparty now, because he'll be offered more money than what Butler can hope to match, and on top of that, it's not like he's leaving from his recruiting specialty, which seems to be Indiana and the mid-west.

I agree, Oregon could be the first of many dominos if someone big takes the $4MM bait.

[Titanxman04]

I agree, Oregon could be the first of many dominos if someone big takes the $4MM bait.

I promise you it'd be more than $4 million. Phil Knight is freaking involved. He will make some unheard of offer for Izzo. The man deserves it, no doubt about it. Plus, MSU is probably able to come close enough to $4 million to entice Izzo to stay. Promise it'd be something like $5+

[LA Muskie]

The Oregon gig could create a tsunami or it could completely fizzle. Frankly I'm hoping for the latter. If they get Izzo or Dixon, a Pandora's Box opens. Alford or Smith and I don't see the sea parting.

PS: I know that Dixon and Alford just signed extensions and the Smith is negotiating one (if it's not already final). But I seriously doubt that whatever ridiculous termination provisions are contained in them will deter Phil Knight. He appears to be hell-bent on making Oregon a basketball power. And given that the school is in Nike's back yard, I can't blame him. He's basically investing in his company's future (the next wave of Nike-wearing stars).

[Masterofreality]

The Oregon gig could create a tsunami or it could completely fizzle. Frankly I'm hoping for the latter. If they get Izzo or Dixon, a Pandora's Box opens. Alford or Smith and I don't see the sea parting.

PS: I know that Dixon and Alford just signed extensions and the Smith is negotiating one (if it's not already final). But I seriously doubt that whatever ridiculous termination provisions are contained in them will deter Phil Knight. He appears to be hell-bent on making Oregon a basketball power. And given that the school is in Nike's back yard, I can't blame him. He's basically investing in his company's future (the next wave of Nike-wearing stars).

I truly cannot understand why Few is not in the mix for that job.

Oregon guy, much bigger payday.

[Muskie73]

I bet whoever takes the Oregon job will acquire a new unofficial assistant coach by the name of Phil Knight. Not sure how many top name coaches will be able to live with that, no matter how much money is thrown around.

[joebba]

Other than Money, I cannot see why Izzo would leave MSU. It is a top-notch position at a top-notch school. The success that program has had under him will continue if he stays.

Where did Stephens go to school? If he went to Butler, I can see him staying if the school ups his salary, but Butler just does not have the fan base to support a salary to match Xavier's program, and Xavier cannot match the elite programs from that standpoint.

I wonder what Matta is thinking after having left Butler way behind?

[LA Muskie]

Where did Stephens go to school? If he went to Butler, I can see him staying if the school ups his salary, but Butler just does not have the fan base to support a salary to match Xavier's program, and Xavier cannot match the elite programs from that standpoint.
Stephens is from the Indy area but went to (and played at) Depauw. I don't think he's ever made any bones about the fact that he has aspirations (hell, he was elevated to HC as Butler's 3rd Assistant under Lickliter, after initially being a volunteer assistant under Matta, most likely because of his drive and determination), and I haven't seen any "promises" that he will be at Butler for the long haul. But unless the Oregon job opens something else up, I just don't think there are any enticing jobs out there for him this year.

[LA Muskie]

I wonder what Matta is thinking after having left Butler way behind?
My guess is that he looks at his bank account and the security that provides him and his family, and he's pretty content.

[Muskie1000]

Other than Money, I cannot see why Izzo would leave MSU. It is a top-notch position at a top-notch school. The success that program has had under him will continue if he stays.

Where did Stephens go to school? If he went to Butler, I can see him staying if the school ups his salary, but Butler just does not have the fan base to support a salary to match Xavier's program, and Xavier cannot match the elite programs from that standpoint.

I wonder what Matta is thinking after having left Butler way behind?

For the challenge - some coaches love the idea of going into a program and totally turning it around.

[GoMuskies]

My guess is that he looks at his bank account and the security that provides him and his family, and he's pretty content.

I'm sure that's true. Apparently you see Brad Stevens out on the mean streets of Naptown foraging for food pretty regularly.

[gladdenguy]

I truly cannot understand why Few is not in the mix for that job.

Oregon guy, much bigger payday.

Oregon tried to go after Few. He turned them down right away.

[danaandvictory]

I truly cannot understand why Few is not in the mix for that job.

Oregon guy, much bigger payday.

I think Phil Knight might read your posts, MOR.

Stevens can probably make a little list of the schools he'd like to coach, stick it in his pocket, and wait until the perfect situation comes along. He's 33 years old! He could stay at Butler for 10 more years and still have a full career at the big state school of his choice.

[Titanxman04]

Few was offered almost right away, or at least spoken to. He shot them down, wanting to stay at Gonzaga.

Phil Knight is always involved with Oregon athletics, but he wouldn't be a guy on the sideline in any means.

Back when Michael Jordan's first contract with the Bulls was about to be up and negotiations for an extension came around, the Bulls realized they didn't have enough cash to match what Jordan wanted. Phil Knight stepped in because he had an investment with the Air Jordans, which were black and red. The brand of Air Jordans were always black and red, and to change them to something possibly quite different, would ruin his shoe brand, according to Knight. So he got involved and paid whatever the Bulls couldn't to keep Jordan around. He has a history of this, and it doesn't show him stopping. He wants Oregon as the flagship school for Nike, and he'll pay whatever he can to get a coach like Izzo.

[LA Muskie]

I'm sure that's true. Apparently you see Brad Stevens out on the mean streets of Naptown foraging for food pretty regularly.
$400-$500k is a nice life no doubt (especially in a city with the cost-of-living of Indy), but it doesn't provide lifelong financial security for a coach and his family. A few mill for 3-5 years and...well...that's another story. I'd be interested to hear how many posters have turned down raises or job offers that included a significant raise (I'm sure there are some, but they're going to be rare and almost always tied to a priority *other* than pure allegiance to the employer).

[LA Muskie]

Stevens can probably make a little list of the schools he'd like to coach, stick it in his pocket, and wait until the perfect situation comes along. He's 33 years old! He could stay at Butler for 10 more years and still have a full career at the big state school of his choice.
If only that were true. Unfortunately in this business, you're only as good as what you've done lately. That's part of the problem for young coaches. I'm sure that Stevens would like to see this thing through at Butler (i.e., return next year and see if they can equal or top this year's results). But the odds of his stock getting any higher than they are right now are pretty low. In fact the odds are much greater that they would go down.

That said, I don't think he's even going to have a choice to make. I don't see Oregon luring a coach away from a school that would entice Stevens, so I don't see him leaving this year. He'll get a well-deserved raise at Butler, but his big pay-day will have to wait. Hopefully (for his sake) he doesn't lose his opportunity.

[LA Muskie]

He wants Oregon as the flagship school for Nike, and he'll pay whatever he can to get a coach like Izzo.
I agree that he/they are going to make a HUGE push. I'm interested to see what Izzo does in response. He seems pretty happy at MSU and probably could stay as long as he wants.

Hopefully this season proves to everyone in MSU nation that he is the best soup-to-nuts coach in college basketball. He may not have a few of the rings K has (or the extra rings that Williams, Donovan, and Calhoun have) but his teams are far more consistent than just about all (except perhaps Duke), and he almost never has the talent levels that those coaches have had.

[Titanxman04]

I agree that he/they are going to make a HUGE push. I'm interested to see what Izzo does in response. He seems pretty happy at MSU and probably could stay as long as he wants.

Hopefully this season proves to everyone in MSU nation that he is the best soup-to-nuts coach in college basketball. He may not have a few of the rings K has (or the extra rings that Williams, Donovan, and Calhoun have) but his teams are far more consistent than just about all (except perhaps Duke), and he almost never has the talent levels that those coaches have had.

The impressive thing that Izzo can do with a team is that he builds up a team of some solid players, who buy into his system, and who have the athleticism and talent where a lot of teams only have one of the two. For instance, Dayton is REALLY athletic, but lack talent. Georgetown is extremely athletic, but their ability to knock down shots is inconsistent, and so while they have POTENTIAL, they lack that consistent TALENT they need to take home a title.

MSU, on the other hand, can jump out of the gym, and have enough talent to compete with any team in the country (with the exception of UNC last year, but that team was just special). Izzo knows how to build a team year in and year out. It's impressive.

Izzo will be making more money one way or another.

Phil Knight will get a NAME coach. I think he'll go through some other coaches first before considering Brad Stevens. But if Izzo and some others spurn the Ducks, I wouldn't be surprised to see them offer Brad Stevens 2.5 million, and offer him to come out West.

I like Stevens, and I think he is a coach above a program (meaning that he could be successful elsewhere, and isn't reliant on "The Butler Way). I think if he did go to Oregon, he could be successful in a couple of years. But he is a little further down the list.

Knight and Oregon will go after Izzo. Jamie Dixon will probably be next. I could even see him offering the likes of Thad Matta or Billy Donovan. Steve Alford and Brad Stevens would be next. But he has never been shy when trying to make something happen, and Phil Knight will go for someone with credibility.

[LA Muskie]

The impressive thing that Izzo can do with a team is that he builds up a team of some solid players, who buy into his system, and who have the athleticism and talent where a lot of teams only have one of the two. For instance, Dayton is REALLY athletic, but lack talent. Georgetown is extremely athletic, but their ability to knock down shots is inconsistent, and so while they have POTENTIAL, they lack that consistent TALENT they need to take home a title.

MSU, on the other hand, can jump out of the gym, and have enough talent to compete with any team in the country (with the exception of UNC last year, but that team was just special). Izzo knows how to build a team year in and year out. It's impressive.

Izzo will be making more money one way or another.

Phil Knight will get a NAME coach. I think he'll go through some other coaches first before considering Brad Stevens. But if Izzo and some others spurn the Ducks, I wouldn't be surprised to see them offer Brad Stevens 2.5 million, and offer him to come out West.

I like Stevens, and I think he is a coach above a program (meaning that he could be successful elsewhere, and isn't reliant on "The Butler Way). I think if he did go to Oregon, he could be successful in a couple of years. But he is a little further down the list.

Knight and Oregon will go after Izzo. Jamie Dixon will probably be next. I could even see him offering the likes of Thad Matta or Billy Donovan. Steve Alford and Brad Stevens would be next. But he has never been shy when trying to make something happen, and Phil Knight will go for someone with credibility.
I agree with all of that.

[GoMuskies]

$400-$500k is a nice life no doubt (especially in a city with the cost-of-living of Indy), but it doesn't provide lifelong financial security for a coach and his family. A few mill for 3-5 years and...well...that's another story. I'd be interested to hear how many posters have turned down raises or job offers that included a significant raise (I'm sure there are some, but they're going to be rare and almost always tied to a priority *other* than pure allegiance to the employer).

Butler wasn't ready to give Matta crazy money when he left, but I guarantee you that Butler will make Stevens an offer that will ensure that no one in his family will ever have to worry about money again.

And when you're looking for posters who turned down raises, you need to make sure you only look at the subset of people who were already making so much money that their family would never have to worry about money again for a fair comparison.

[BandAid]

And when you're looking for posters who turned down raises, you need to make sure you only look at the subset of people who were already making so much money that their family would never have to worry about money again for a fair comparison.

I can't speak for the rest of you, but I'm definitely in that category! :p:rolleyes:

Whatever happened to mo money, mo problems?

[xudash]

Butler wasn't ready to give Matta crazy money when he left, but I guarantee you that Butler will make Stevens an offer that will ensure that no one in his family will ever have to worry about money again.

And when you're looking for posters who turned down raises, you need to make sure you only look at the subset of people who were already making so much money that their family would never have to worry about money again for a fair comparison.

From what I've read about and know of Butler's athletic budget, including a basketball budget that would rank it close to the bottom of the A10, Butler is in no position to raise his package to a point that would keep him there for an extended period (BTW, that budget number is about $1.6mm).

Xavier was fully prepared to move Sean to $1.6mm in compensation and he still left when 'zona sweetened the package for him.

I doubt Butler could put a seven digit package together for Stevens, as they have no seat licensing revenue, suite revenue, and adequate gate revenue, given that they average about 7k for home games in their relic. This one NCAA run isn't going to fund it.

Butler finally is talking about a $10 million capital improvement to Hinkle - talking about it; hasn't even started the funding campaign for it. Notwithstanding the amount of care they have to take given its NHL designation - I'm assuming it's under federal landmark protection - that is a ridiculously small number. What is that about? New wiring, plumbing and varnish on old bench bleachers.

Though I may sound jealous of Butler, I'm not. Our program is still way ahead of Butler's program. Their F4 run is to be admired and, if you wish, envied as well, but it doesn't change certain financial realities. Butler IS the little engine that could. In that regard, their ROI is humongous - good for them.

Yet it gets back to the hard reality that Butler is in no position to retain a strong coach through any financial package it can put together. If we couldn't do it with Sean, they have an ice cube's chance in Hell of doing it with Stevens.

Now, if Stevens stays there - he's certainly young enough not to be in a huge hurry - it will be for life balance reasons, similar to Few enjoying the outdoors of Oregon.

[LA Muskie]

Well said, Dash. Well said, indeed.

[Titanxman04]

From what I've read about and know of Butler's athletic budget, including a basketball budget that would rank it close to the bottom of the A10, Butler is in no position to raise his package to a point that would keep him there for an extended period (BTW, that budget number is about $1.6mm).

Xavier was fully prepared to move Sean to $1.6mm in compensation and he still left when 'zona sweetened the package for him.

I doubt Butler could put a seven digit package together for Stevens, as they have no seat licensing revenue, suite revenue, and adequate gate revenue, given that they average about 7k for home games in their relic. This one NCAA run isn't going to fund it.

Butler finally is talking about a $10 million capital improvement to Hinkle - talking about it; hasn't even started the funding campaign for it. Notwithstanding the amount of care they have to take given its NHL designation - I'm assuming it's under federal landmark protection - that is a ridiculously small number. What is that about? New wiring, plumbing and varnish on old bench bleachers.

Though I may sound jealous of Butler, I'm not. Our program is still way ahead of Butler's program. Their F4 run is to be admired and, if you wish, envied as well, but it doesn't change certain financial realities. Butler IS the little engine that could. In that regard, their ROI is humongous - good for them.

Yet it gets back to the hard reality that Butler is in no position to retain a strong coach through any financial package it can put together. If we couldn't do it with Sean, they have an ice cube's chance in Hell of doing it with Stevens.

Now, if Stevens stays there - he's certainly young enough not to be in a huge hurry - it will be for life balance reasons, similar to Few enjoying the outdoors of Oregon.

Dash, I fully concur with your post there. Reps for that, sir.

[GoMuskies]

Dash, all that may be true, but if Butler can't give Stevens a million dollar per year deal, they'll give him ten or twelve guaranteed years. Stevens may well leave for more money, but he won't have to in order to give his family all the security it needs. Again, I guarantee Butler is going to make Stevens an offer that will ensure that no member of his family ever needs to worry about money again. He may well leave pretty soon (he probably will), but it won't be to make sure he gives his family financial security.

[xudash]

Dash, all that may be true, but if Butler can't give Stevens a million dollar per year deal, they'll give him ten or twelve guaranteed years. Stevens may well leave for more money, but he won't have to in order to give his family all the security it needs. Again, I guarantee Butler is going to make Stevens an offer that will ensure that no member of his family ever needs to worry about money again. He may well leave pretty soon (he probably will), but it won't be to make sure he gives his family financial security.

I agree with you completely about your primary point, regarding his ability to provide for his family's financial security, assuming that, for sake of example, they give him the ten year deal at, say, even $600k per year. Few people will argue that $6 million over 10 years will keep you from a nice second home and golf lessons. But that assumes an ironclad buyout clause for his benefit with nothing short of gross negligence on his part being capable of knocking him out of the deal (i.e. if, down through the years, he continues to put effort against recruiting, coaching, et al, but he only ends up batting .500 with no post-season success, they still must pay him, versus should he get tired of his wife, blow off a practice and get laid in a dormitory).

With all that noted - we know where this is headed - some big, nasty deal will get him there that much more quickly, if he wants one. Free will is a bitch. What does he want in terms of career and how badly does he want to stay in Indiana to live? It's his call.

[Titanxman04]

I just know, that if you doubled my pay and offered me a position that moved me to the west or east coach... I would have a REALLY, REALLY hard time saying no.

Now to the desert? Well, that's a bit easier to refuse..... But no need to get into THAT debate again.

[xudash]

I just know, that if you doubled my pay and offered me a position that moved me to the west or east coach... I would have a REALLY, REALLY hard time saying no.

Now to the desert? Well, that's a bit easier to refuse..... But no need to get into THAT debate again.

Exactly. So for s's and giggles, imagine that you're sitting in your home office in your nice $600k house in a nice suburb. Life is good: family is happy, you're on a professional winning streak and money is not an issue. You've even acquired some fame, yet you're doing well at a school that still prides itself on paying attention to the student part of student-athlete.

ABC University then comes calling with a package that quadruples your base salary to $2 million, shows you an alumni database that runs into the 6 digits, introduces you to some folks that probably will start lending their planes to you - not props, but Gulfstreams - to take recruiting trips, while reminding you that travel from here on out for the team will be all charter where flying is concerned, and they just happened to just open up new multi-million dollar facilities for you.

All of a sudden, the paneling in your home office sucks and the flat panel is too small.

[GoMuskies]

That's all well and good. Just don't say you "had" to take the new job to "take care of your family".

[Titanxman04]

Exactly. So for s's and giggles, imagine that you're sitting in your home office in your nice $600k house in a nice suburb. Life is good: family is happy, you're on a professional winning streak and money is not an issue. You've even acquired some fame, yet you're doing well at a school that still prides itself on paying attention to the student part of student-athlete.

ABC University then comes calling with a package that quadruples your base salary to $2 million, shows you an alumni database that runs into the 6 digits, introduces you to some folks that probably will start lending their planes to you - not props, but Gulfstreams - to take recruiting trips, while reminding you that travel from here on out for the team will be all charter where flying is concerned, and they just happened to just open up new multi-million dollar facilities for you.

All of a sudden, the paneling in your home office sucks and the flat panel is too small.

Well, I hardly think I'm personally qualified, but hey, it's your program. Where do I sign? :D

[xubrew]

fwiw, the horizon league has limits on what a university can spend on athletics. there is a minimum and a maximum. there is room for butler to offer a significant amount of more money to stevens, but even if they had the means to put together an offer that would match major universities, the league may not permit them to do it.

as far as stevens to oregon, i just don't see it. several people earlier in the thread made comments about oregon being a nike school. that's actually why i can't see it. butler is not a super athletic team that gets people out of their seats. if you cram thirty seconds of kentucky or michigan state highlights into a nike commercial, you've got a pretty 'cool' commercial. butler wins because they play outstanding defense, control the tempo and can seemingly get in position for a defensive rebound before the other team even shoots. you cram thirty seconds of that into a nike commerical, they probably won't sell as many sneakers.

i don't mean for that to sound like a knock on butler or on brad stevens at all. in fact i love that style of basketball and have very much enjoyed their run through the tournament. however, i'm not a nike executive. for lack of a better way of putting it, i don't know if stevens is 'flashy' enough for what oregon wants. i mean, this is the school with a football team that oftentimes looks like a fashion show gone wrong....or right....or whatever. that's not stevens.

[XUglow]

For the challenge - some coaches love the idea of going into a program and totally turning it around.

Miller turned AZ around... so to speak.

[SixFig]

I simply don't think there are a lot of great job openings this year in college hoops.

Wait a year, maybe Indiana will be fed up with Tom Crean. Maybe Calipari or Coach K will go pro.

[goodenchiladas]

Other possibilities:

Louisville this year or next. Pitino back to the NBA rumors have been floating around.

Illinois after next year if Weber gets bumped.

[X-band '01]

Miller turned AZ around... so to speak.

There was almost no chance in hell Miller could win immediately at Arizona given their recruiting woes over the past 4 seasons; he needs another 2 to 3 years to really get some decent results.

Tom Crean will be going into year 3; there will be more pressure on him to get Indiana back on track, especially if the field is ultimately expanded to 96 teams. And they say that a bigger tournament will mean more job security. Right, YTG?

[xavierj]

There was almost no chance in hell Miller could win immediately at Arizona given their recruiting woes over the past 4 seasons; he needs another 2 to 3 years to really get some decent results.

Tom Crean will be going into year 3; there will be more pressure on him to get Indiana back on track, especially if the field is ultimately expanded to 96 teams. And they say that a bigger tournament will mean more job security. Right, YTG?

100% of Arizona's players this year were rated as high if not higher than Butler's. Tell me again why it was impossible to win? Arizona had a very good recruiting class and had 4 guys coming back who played over 22 minutes a game with a sweet 16 team the year before, including their starting PG. And it was not like they were playing world beaters every night. I was not nearly as bear as what they want you to believe and no where near as bad as Indiana. there are probably at least 250 division I schools who would have liked to have the talent that Arizona had this past year. I think Sean is a very good coach, but his talent was not as bare as people want to make it out or use it as an excuse.

Arizona had on it's roster this past season, 1- 5-star, 3 - 4 star's and 8 - 3 star players. Xavier would be ecstatic with players rated that high. I know star ratings do not always equate to reality but Arizona still had talent. I think the bigger problem was getting guys to play the way Sean wants to play. I would imagine they will be better next year even if the talent level is not any better and possibly worse than it was this year.

[SixFig]

I think Sean is a very good coach, but his talent was not as bear as people want to make it out or use it as an excuse.

Not as bear?

http://riverdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/polar-bear-tongue.jpg

[golfitup]

I hope he stays at Butler for a long time.

[Titanxman04]

Butler has players that don't really offer a chance for them to run the ball up and down the floor a lot. Their options at big men are slim. When you run a lot like what someone supposedly wants, you're going to need an excess of big men. Lets face it, they don't run like the guards and you'll need a couple of talented bigs if you want to run.

If Butler had the players, I could easily see Stevens having his kids run up and down the floor more, especially with a drive and kick action that would leave a fast-break three with someone down low to rebound.

BUT, they make up of the Bulldogs doesn't allow that currently. Coach K says that he coaches every year differently. Just as you have to use a different game plan differently every year. I'm trying to learn how to adapt my coaching methods for the B team that I coach in lacrosse this spring. We're not nearly as deep in talent as what we were last year, and we lack the depth one needs to be a truly dangerous team. Its something that as a 23 year old, I need to figure out how to adapt to in order to become a successful coach down the line.

I think stevens has it though. He knows they can't be a big running team, simpy because their players don't adapt to that. I think he is young enough and yet good enough to adapt his style of play if he went to an Oregon. If that was the case, he could get the athletes to make it happen.

Fact is though, no matter what your style, if you get to a Final Four, that style works. Results carry a lot more weight than style.

[XU2424]

Who pays the most??? Guess what??? Money makes the shit look like gold...ala Miller. He will leave eventually.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That's all well and good. Just don't say you "had" to take the new job to "take care of your family".

Go, there is a HUGE difference between taking care of your family (which he can easily do with what he is making at Butler) and setting your kids and even your grandkids up for life (which he cannot do with hid salary at Butler).

[GoMuskies]

Go, there is a HUGE difference between taking care of your family (which he can easily do with what he is making at Butler) and setting your kids and even your grandkids up for life (which he cannot do with hid salary at Butler).

Of course he can if they are gonna guarantee it for 10 or 12 years.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Of course he can if they are gonna guarantee it for 10 or 12 years.

Not if they can't get him to 7 figures.

[GoMuskies]

Not if they can't get him to 7 figures.

You don't think you can set up your family for life for 700k/year guaranteed for 10-12 years, after which you will still be 45?

Hey, I don't think he'll stick around long-term, but if he gives some line about how he "has to do it" to "take care of his family" it's crap. There's nothing wrong with wanting more money or a promotion, but just don't act like he has some sort of responsibility to his family to take it and that he'd be doing them a disservice by "only" guaranteeing himself 7-10 million over the life of a contract.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You don't think you can set up your family for life for 700k/year guaranteed for 10-12 years, after which you will still be 45?

Hey, I don't think he'll stick around long-term, but if he gives some line about how he "has to do it" to "take care of his family" it's crap. There's nothing wrong with wanting more money or a promotion, but just don't act like he has some sort of responsibility to his family to take it and that he'd be doing them a disservice by "only" guaranteeing himself 7-10 million over the life of a contract.

He would have to live well below his means to set up his kids and potentially grandkids for life at 700k a year.

Not if he only wanted to support his kids while they were children, but I am talking about setting up his family for life. Well after he is done making money.

[GoMuskies]

Or have a decent financial advisor. If he wants to stay at Butler, and he doesn't need to live a ridiculously expensive life, there's no reason he has to leave. He can make himself and his family more wealthy than they ever imagined with what Butler will pay him.

But everybody leaves.

[LA Muskie]

This is America. A (mostly) capitalist society. If a coach or anyone else wants to maximize their earning potential, they have every right to do so.

Coaches also have every right to decide at what level they want to support their family (themselves, kids, grandkids, etc.) for life with that income. Can it be done at $500k/yr for 10-15 years? Probably. It depends on the lifestyle that the coach wants to provide.

Me? Assuming the job is largely the same and located in a place in which I would be comfortable raising a family, I'd probably try to earn as much as possible.

It's true that more money can cause more problems (I'm involved in two separate lawsuits over family businesses right now), but it's also true that a lot more money can do a lot more good. My opinion is that more money just accentuates the characteristics of the holder: good people will do more good, bad people will do more bad.

[Perma Fro]

Just advise him to stay away from Antoine Walker. There are no guarantees regardless of how much you make.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?page=100320otlwalker

[xnatic03]

Or have a decent financial advisor. If he wants to stay at Butler, and he doesn't need to live a ridiculously expensive life, there's no reason he has to leave. He can make himself and his family more wealthy than they ever imagined with what Butler will pay him.

But everybody leaves.

He worked at Eli Lilly before he became a coach. I think it's pretty safe to assume he has some grasp on maintaining/expanding his financial status.

[GoMuskies]

I don't think it's safe to assume that anyone whose background is in marketing knows the first thing about finances.

[xnatic03]

I don't think it's safe to assume that anyone whose background is in marketing knows the first thing about finances.

My bad, I was thinking he was in finance before he came into coaching.

[xnatic03]

well, then we can assume he knows how to market himself for a raise with Butler or to another school.

[D-West & PO-Z]

well, then we can assume he knows how to market himself for a raise with Butler or to another school.

haha, well put.

[MADXSTER]

I know it's late in the game, but wouldn't you think Charlotte would be inquiring about Stevens??

[GoMuskies]

I know it's late in the game, but wouldn't you think Charlotte would be inquiring about Stevens??

Only if they enjoy hearing howls of laughter from the other end of the phone.

[MADXSTER]

Only if they enjoy hearing howls of laughter from the other end of the phone.

Just thinking out loud. I get into more trouble because of that. :)

[MADXSTER]

Anyone want to change their vote??

[Mark 3 Pointer]

I do...

[D-West & PO-Z]

Anyone want to change their vote??

Not really.

[MADXSTER]

Just guessing here...

Would he go from around 250k per year(?) to 1.5 mil(?)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Just guessing here...

Would he go from around 250k per year(?) to 1.5 mil(?)

Interesting question. I'm not sure either. If I had to guess I would say he makes a little more but who knows.

I would have to think with the team he has coming back to Butler next year that Butler will be able to up his salary enough for him to come back. If not, the next coach of Butler is a lucky guy assuming no one would transfer.

[Coogles]

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100408/SPORTS0605/100408026/1073/Butler-coach-signs-new-12-year-contract

Terms haven't been released yet.

[GoMuskies]

12 years at more than $750k/pop. Anyone still think Stevens ever has to worry about money again (assuming he doesn't subscribe to the Antoine Walker school of money management)?

[smileyy]

They had to guarantee him $X amount of money to keep him. I'm sure there's a decent-sized buyout, but nothing that wouldn't keep him from entertaining other offers.

[LA Muskie]

12 years at more than $750k/pop. Anyone still think Stevens ever has to worry about money again (assuming he doesn't subscribe to the Antoine Walker school of money management)?
GoMuskies, obviously far less than that establishes security. So does socialism. Can we please stop complaining that coaches are capitalists? This is America.

[GoMuskies]

GoMuskies, obviously far less than that establishes security. So does socialism. Can we please stop complaining that coaches are capitalists? This is America.

Who is complaining that a coach is a capitalist? I fully expect him to leave. I have just pointed out that he doesn't have a "responsibility to his family" to leave as some think. Butler has, in fact, created a situation for him where he will never have to worry about money again if (huge IF, obviously) what he really wants to do is stay at Butler for as long as they'll have him.

[LA Muskie]

Who is complaining that a coach is a capitalist? I fully expect him to leave. I have just pointed out that he doesn't have a "responsibility to his family" to leave as some think. Butler has, in fact, created a situation for him where he will never have to worry about money again if (huge IF, obviously) what he really wants to do is stay at Butler for as long as they'll have him.
Responsibility, no. But that doesn't mean that a coach doesn't think it's in the interests of his family to make more.

I know a lot of very rich people (they're not hard to find in LA). I've never met a person who, despite their riches, didn't think their family could benefit from more money. Seriously. Most of them would tell you that they don't need more money for themselves, but that an extra $x would provide child or grandchild "y" with [enter whatever you can imagine here]. Does "y" (or anyone else) really need it? Almost assuredly not. But that doesn't mean that the parent/grandparent isn't convinced that they do.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per A. Katz/ESPN....


Stevens exhales after title game

Brad Stevens got home early Tuesday morning after Butler fell short in one of the most thrilling endings ever in a national title game.

He immediately went to the tape. He had to see the last 10 minutes of the game again.

"I couldn't sleep. I was miserable so I put it in and watched my misery again," Stevens said. Later that Tuesday, he watched the entire Duke-Butler final.

Stevens said he had no issue with Gordon Hayward taking a fadeaway baseline jumper on the second-to-last possession instead of trying to take the ball to the basket and see if he could get fouled.

"[Duke's Brian] Zoubek did a great job of helping," Stevens said of Hayward's tough shot. "It was a clean look at a jump shot, and he may or may not get the call with contact in a late-game scenario. I would take that shot again because of who was shooting it. I realize it was a tough shot, but he can make it and he will make it a lot more times in his career. I had no regrets about that."

By Wednesday, after making a round of national media appearances, Stevens met with Butler athletic director Barry Collier and discussed his future. Despite the rampant speculation that Oregon, Wake Forest and Clemson were waiting with bated breath for a chance to lure the 33-year-old Stevens away from his beloved Butler, he wasn't going anywhere. In fact, he never thought twice about leaving.

"My focus was on Butler and I'm lucky Butler wants me to be there," Stevens said. "I love it here. I love where I am and my attention and focus has always been on Butler."


***One thing that the Bulldogs have already done is upgrade the schedule and make Butler extremely marketable, much like Gonzaga and Xavier.



http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5070748/stevens-exhales-title-game

[MADXSTER]

Congratulations to

94GRAD, A10fan, BandAid, bigdiggins, BiggieXU, CinciX12, cinskyline, Coogles, D-West & PO-Z, dc_x, eXdrummer, Frambo, gladdenguy, golfitup, GoMuskies, hofer, jakeXU, JAPER, jdm2000, JimmyTwoTimes37, joebba, KCX, kenny powers, kyxu, LA Muskie, Lamont Sanford, LutherRackleyRulez, Mark 3 Pointer, MD Muskie, muskee2000, Muskie, Muskie73, newtsac, Nocalmuskie, Pajama Joe, Pluto, PM Thor, Porkopolis, Retire33, rhyno2110, SixFig, SlimKibbles, slysyl, Snipe, StanleyOwnsYou, STLfan, stophorseabuse, TaipeiMuskie, TheEmperorHasNoClothes, ThePowerOfX, The_Mack_Pack, Titanxman04, Walter the Poet, whitesox, Woodburn, X-band '01, X-Fan, Xman95, xnatic03, XU '11, xu2010, xu95, xubball93, xubrew, xugilly, XUglow, XULucho27, XUOHTX, XUOWNSUC, xu_fan

You guys are the winners of the Brad stevens pole.

[xnatic03]

Congratulations to

94GRAD, A10fan, BandAid, bigdiggins, BiggieXU, CinciX12, cinskyline, Coogles, D-West & PO-Z, dc_x, eXdrummer, Frambo, gladdenguy, golfitup, GoMuskies, hofer, jakeXU, JAPER, jdm2000, JimmyTwoTimes37, joebba, KCX, kenny powers, kyxu, LA Muskie, Lamont Sanford, LutherRackleyRulez, Mark 3 Pointer, MD Muskie, muskee2000, Muskie, Muskie73, newtsac, Nocalmuskie, Pajama Joe, Pluto, PM Thor, Porkopolis, Retire33, rhyno2110, SixFig, SlimKibbles, slysyl, Snipe, StanleyOwnsYou, STLfan, stophorseabuse, TaipeiMuskie, TheEmperorHasNoClothes, ThePowerOfX, The_Mack_Pack, Titanxman04, Walter the Poet, whitesox, Woodburn, X-band '01, X-Fan, Xman95, xnatic03, XU '11, xu2010, xu95, xubball93, xubrew, xugilly, XUglow, XULucho27, XUOHTX, XUOWNSUC, xu_fan

You guys are the winners of the Brad stevens pole.

I don't know if anyone wants to necessarily win Brad Stevens pole

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't know if anyone wants to necessarily win Brad Stevens pole

Ha, reps.