Pat Kelsey to Charlotte?

[moss2k]

Would love for Charlotte to be able to bring Kelsey to Charlotte for our HC position.

You guys think he would make the jump? According to Jeff Goodman from Fox, we are targeting high-level assistants for our vacant position.

[Muskie1000]

can never say never, but from what I understand, he was already in line for some head coaching jobs before he came to X and he choose X instead. If he made a jump I don't think it would be this soon.

[whiteyxu]

My gut tells me no, but that could just be the delusional X fan that I am. When you think about it, it does kind of make sense with the connections that he has over in NC, and it's a pretty high-level program to take as your first HC position. Would hate to see him go so soon, however, because he's great for our recruiting efforts over there.

[CinciX12]

Haha we aren't going to lose Kelsey to an A10 team. Lets keep in mind the guy has spent his coaching career at Wake Forest and Xavier. Career suicide as a first HC spot probably isn't on his to do list.

[picknroll]

Would love for Charlotte to be able to bring Kelsey to Charlotte for our HC position.

You guys think he would make the jump? According to Jeff Goodman from Fox, we are targeting high-level assistants for our vacant position.


Love ya, but please go away already :logo:

[moss2k]

Haha we aren't going to lose Kelsey to an A10 team. Lets keep in mind the guy has spent his coaching career at Wake Forest and Xavier. Career suicide as a first HC spot probably isn't on his to do list.

Please give your reasons why Charlotte would be career suicide.

[moss2k]

Love ya, but please go away already :logo:

Dynamite drop in Monty.

[MADXSTER]

Don't go away. This is a fair topic of conversation, however, could you please wait until Xavier's season has come to a close. Thank you.

[CinciX12]

Please give your reasons why Charlotte would be career suicide.

For a guy that has coached where Kelsey has? Well, I guess the best answer I have is because its Charlotte.

You guys will get a good coach, but when you heard they were looking at top assistants I don't think you realize Kelsey is at the top top level of assistant coaches.

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm sure if offered, Kelsey would take the job. I think most A10 schools look attractive to potential candidates. There's a long history of A10 coaches jumping to big paying jobs in BCS conferences. And Charlotte, itself, would be a pay increase for Kelsey.

But I just sense that if Charlotte opts to go the assistant coach rout, they might go after a bigger assistant name.

[moss2k]

For a guy that has coached where Kelsey has? Well, I guess the best answer I have is because its Charlotte.

You guys will get a good coach, but when you heard they were looking at top assistants I don't think you realize Kelsey is at the top top level of assistant coaches.

I realize he's top level, and that's why we would be interested in him. Charlotte should be an interesting opening for candidates, coming in it would not need a complete overhaul, as the cupboard isn't bare.

As mentioned, Kelsey has ties to NC from his ties at Wake.

[moss2k]

I'm sure if offered, Kelsey would take the job. I think most A10 schools look attractive to potential candidates. There's a long history of A10 coaches jumping to big paying jobs in BCS conferences. And Charlotte, itself, would be a pay increase for Kelsey.

But I just sense that if Charlotte opts to go the assistant coach rout, they might go after a bigger assistant name.

I think you are selling him short, he's a huge name. Sure he has no HC experience, but most top level assistants are in a similar position.

[CinciX12]

I'm sure if offered, Kelsey would take the job. I think most A10 schools look attractive to potential candidates. There's a long history of A10 coaches jumping to big paying jobs in BCS conferences. And Charlotte, itself, would be a pay increase for Kelsey.

But I just sense that if Charlotte opts to go the assistant coach rout, they might go after a bigger assistant name.

What?

[GuyFawkes38]

I realize he's top level, and that's why we would be interested in him. Charlotte should be an interesting opening for candidates, coming in it would not need a complete overhaul, as the cupboard isn't bare.

As mentioned, Kelsey has ties to NC from his ties at Wake.

Like I said, I'm sure Kelsey would jump at the opportunity.

I think Kelsey is great. But there's nothing like getting an assistant at a Duke or UNC to really get the boosters pumped. I'm guessing Charlotte opts for higher profile assistant coach if they take that rout.

[MADXSTER]

moss, please don't listen to Guy. He's simply a Debbie Downer.

[MADXSTER]

Like I said, I'm sure Kelsey would jump at the opportunity.

I think Kelsey is great. But there's nothing like getting an assistant at a Duke or UNC to really get the boosters pumped. I'm guessing Charlotte opts for higher profile assistant coach if they take that rout.

It's amazing how sure you are about Kelsey.

[moss2k]

Wojo from Duke has been thrown around, but not sure if the interest is mutual. Buzz Peterson has been named, but most of our fanbase are not interested in him. He had his chance at a higher profile job at Tennessee (not saying Charlotte is on the same level as UT), and he blew it. Also not sure Buzz can recruit as well as Kelsey or other top level assistants.

[CinciX12]

I realize he's top level, and that's why we would be interested in him. Charlotte should be an interesting opening for candidates, coming in it would not need a complete overhaul, as the cupboard isn't bare.

As mentioned, Kelsey has ties to NC from his ties at Wake.

I just think it would be tough location for a first head coaching job, but my opinion obviously doesn't mean anything he is probably more confident than me.

In NC you compete against Duke, Wake, UNC, countless others on recruits. It would be so hard.

[GuyFawkes38]

Do you really think he would turn down a head coaching job at a competive A10 school to remain assistant here? I'm doubting it (although you never really hear about AD's hiring an opposing teams assistant coach....maybe it's frowned upon).

I think he would be a great hire for Charlotte. He has a great reputation. Perhaps I'm underestimating the AD at Charlotte that he would get the highest profile assistant coach he can. Because from what I hear, Kelsey is a great recruiter and coach and would probably be better than a Duke or UNC assistant.

[CinciX12]

Do you really think he would turn down a head coaching job at a competive A10 school to remain assistant here? I'm doubting it.

I think he would be a great hire for Charlotte.

A competitive A10 school? One decent season in recent memory in the A10 and now he should be leaving X for them? That is crazy.

[Kahns Krazy]

If Kelsey was looking to make the HC jump now, why would he have turned down a HC offer, and why would he have left Wake to come here? It doesn't make any sense to me.

[moss2k]

UNC and Duke recruit nationally, we don't compete with them for many recruits. Wake, Clemson, Va Tech & Ga Tech are a different story.

[GuyFawkes38]

What HC job offer did he turn down?

Maybe I'm overestimating the attractiveness of the Charlotte program. But it seems like it would at least be intriguing to Kelsey.

[stophorseabuse]

I think Kelsey would have a tough time saying no.

Charlotte is a pretty damn good first gig. Groce went to Ohio for God's sake and their wasn't a much bigger name. Most big 6 coaches come from A-10, MVC, MAC, MWC, Sunbelt, CUSA, etc. or were brought from within the staff. Most of the coaches in those leagues were either top assistants or highly effective in the very low levels. Charlotte is a great first gig, as it's in a league that can get multiple bids, has a quality facility, has a great returning frontcourt, and D. Green as a high quality combo guard. The fact he knows the area too would be big in his favor. Would he be a Charlotte lifer? Hell no, but a great start it is.

The word is out on the Xavier pipeline, it will only be a matter of time.

[stophorseabuse]

If Kelsey was looking to make the HC jump now, why would he have turned down a HC offer, and why would he have left Wake to come here? It doesn't make any sense to me.

He didn't have offers the caliber of Charlotte. How much better would a first job get if your last name isn't Mack or Miller?

[sweet16]

A competitive A10 school? One decent season in recent memory in the A10 and now he should be leaving X for them? That is crazy.

If Pat is highly motivated and wants to be as successful as he can possibly be then you would expect that he aspires to be a head coach. He can stay at X for another 10 years and he'll never get a BCS head coaching offer.....those schools just don't operate that way. So what is wrong with a HC position at an A10 school? Forget the name or their past success.......it's a great platform from which to launch your career.

[CinciX12]

If Pat is highly motivated and wants to be as successful as he can possibly be then you would expect that he aspires to be a head coach. He can stay at X for another 10 years and he'll never get a BCS head coaching offer.....those schools just don't operate that way. So what is wrong with a HC position at an A10 school? Forget the name or their past success.......it's a great platform from which to launch your career.

So take the Dayton job once Gregory is run out? I just committed blasphemy I know..I apologize:(

[Kahns Krazy]

He didn't have offers the caliber of Charlotte. How much better would a first job get if your last name isn't Mack or Miller?

But he had a job as the assistant coach at Wake. What is the logic that says that assistant coach at Xavier is a better springboard into a head coaching job than the assistant coach position at Wake?

I'm saying that I think Kelsey took the job here because he wanted to be here.

[CinciX12]

But he had a job as the assistant coach at Wake. What is the logic that says that assistant coach at Xavier is a better springboard into a head coaching job than the assistant coach position at Wake?

I'm saying that I think Kelsey took the job here because he wanted to be here.

I definitely think that Kelsey wants to coach for 3 to 4 years with Mack. They seem to be great friends.

[Xman95]

Charlotte would be a nice first gig for Kelsey. And I think he could make it work. The guy already has a rep as a recruiter and most players seem to praise the way he works with them. He also has the desire to succeed. So, recruiting + knowledge + desire...PK will be just fine when he gets his shot, no matter where it is. Of course there are a couple things to consider with Charlotte.

First, would Kelsey really want to go to another A10 team and coach against Mack/Xavier so soon after he returned? My gut tells me he would prefer being in another conference if he takes a head coaching job.

Second, I'm guessing X is paying Kelsey a pretty nice salary as the Associate HC. Charlotte would probably have to dwarf his current salary to get him to consider making that move.

Third, Kelsey might just want to stay at X right now. There are many guys who just don't move on to that head coaching job right away because they don't want to. Some just like where they are, others feel they need to get a few more seasons under their belt. So maybe Pat just isn't ready to go anywhere yet.

Honestly, I think Charlotte should load up the cash and make a play for John Groce. He won't come cheap as his next step will probably have to pay much more than the OU job. If a place like Charlotte doesn't offer that, Groce might just hold off. But if the 49ers really boost his bank account, I think it would be a great move for both. Charlotte gets a potentially phenomenal young coach. Groce moves to a better conference and a better program. It would also be a huge benefit for Xavier and the rest of the A10.

[GuyFawkes38]

And, by Debbie Downer, he means a know-nothing jackass.

heh, I really get to you.

[smileyy]

Isn't Kelsey the Associate Coach? That's the title Miller had under Matta, and Mack under Miller. I suspect that position comes with a several year commitment, with the plan that Kelsey takes over should Mack leave. Or, if Mack makes a long-term commitment, freeing Kelsey up to look elsewhere. I can't think that taking a job this year is on his roadmap.

[XURunner85]

If I remember correctly Pat was offered a assistants job with Florida last year and also was top candidate for the HC position at High Pointe and Appilachian State (both in NC) before he decided to come back to X for the Asst HC position....if I was Charlotte and Fordham I would be asking permission to speak to Pat. But in my opinion, I think he will go after a HC position that is closer to Cincy.....and maybe not for a year or two...

[DoubleD86]

Just my two cents, but here goes:

I agree with those thinking that Charlotte would be a good starting point. Good program in an area he is well connected in one of the best conferences that a brand new HC can start in.

Secondly, I see a lot of claims that because he chose X over the AC job at Florida or Wake means he wants to be at X enough to turn down this job. Personally, those are two different things. Wake and Florida are bigger schools for sure (with probably slightly higher national basketball reputation) but it is still the AC job. An assistant coach job at X is not much of a difference, so the tipping point could very well be he loves X and wants to be there. However, as much as I love XU, being the AHC at X is no where near comparable to being a HC at another school in a conference like the A-10.

Lastly, I hope Kelsey is around for a while, but honestly think he is too good to be here for too long. However, as nice of an opportunity as Charlotte is, it would not surprise me if Kelsey did not want to coach in the A-10 against X if possible. He may wait a couple years for a job that does not include competing with XU every year.

[surfxu]

DD86 I agree w/ you. First and formost I think head coach at Charlotte is a pretty good gig. The facilities are solid, there's a decent fan base, beautiful part of the country and it's probably got some decent financial backing. I think the main drawback for Kesley (other than leaving Xavier) would be coaching against Chris Mack. There is no way he will underestimate how difficult that is after the first edition of the Skip Prosser classic. I can't see him signing up for that. If Charlotte was in a different conference I would think it would be an opportunity that he would probably consider, but my guess is playing X on a regular basis is not something he would want to do.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Pat isn't going anywhere anytime soon. He will be at X for multiple more years.

[moss2k]

well, we've had 2 names come out tonight. Dave Odom and Larry Shyatt. I feel like jumping off a building. Maybe they are throwing out these asshats to make Buzz Peterson look more attractive.

[Xman95]

well, we've had 2 names come out tonight. Dave Odom and Larry Shyatt. I feel like jumping off a building. Maybe they are throwing out these asshats to make Buzz Peterson look more attractive.

Look on the bright side. Either coach gets you part of the way to being an also-ran in the ACC!! (Well, unless Odom finds the Fountain of Youth and somehow gets more years of eligibility for Tim Duncan and Randolph Childress.)

[Billy]

Does Charlotte not have the money to bring in an experienced head coach? I ask because I just don't know.

I knew Pat a little bit years ago...I think he's a smart guy. That said, he's only 34...no HC experience. Just seems like Charlotte would be looking for something a bit "safer".

[smileyy]

Coaching is like the NBA draft -- I'd rather go for "high upside" than "safe". If they wanted safe, they keep Bobby Lutz.

Well, unless you're completely rebuilding, which Charlotte isn't.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Goodman/FoxSports......


CHARLOTTE EYEING TOP ASSISTANTS

Three of the candidates targeted for the Charlotte opening:

1) Kansas assistant and former ECU coach Joe Dooley.

2) Xavier assistant Pat Kelsey, who was at Wake Forest*******

3) Texas assistant Russell Springmann.






http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/03/23/pecora_close_to_fordham;_charlotte_eyeing_top_assi stants

[moss2k]

that's a great list. Kelsey will be the favorite off of that list for 90% of Charlotte fans. They XU coaching tree is strong (understatement). If our AD can land him, she better do all she can.

[DC Muskie]

John Groce.

Makes too much sense.

[JAX 3758]

I think that if Kelsey stays at XU for a few more years he can get a much better job then charlotte right off the bat. He is THAT good of a coach

[golfitup]

I was hoping we'd be able to keep him another 2 seasons but I guess that is wishful thinking. Bummer...

[The_Mack_Pack]

Would Kelsey want to coach against Xavier every year? I think he'll stay and take a mid-level BCS job in a couple years after he gets some more high level recruits to commit and makes Kenny an All Conference big man.

[SixFig]

I assume an XU Assistant Coach's salary, even an Associate Head Coach, can not compete with what Charlotte can offer.

If the offer is out there Kelsey should follow his heart and not the money, though (unlike some...). Both may lead to Charlotte, however.

[moss2k]

Most BCS openings always go to coaches with HC experience. I can see someone like Kelsey coming to Charlotte, being there 3 years and moving on to a BCS program.

[Flyer1407]

The only schools in the A10 to match offers from BCS schools are Xavier and Dayton, ultimately it's up to the coach if he wants to move on after that.

I don't know much about him, but, his ties to the east coast and Wake make him an ideal candidate to bolt for the first ACC opening. With the success Xavier has had this year under Mack and Kelsey, why not wait until an ACC school drops the hammer on someone within the next few years? With the talent Xavier will have returning, following this season he will be on a lot of short lists in most BCS conferences.

Charlotte hasn't competed in the A10 since they arrived. Why would Kelsey even bother with using them as a stepping stone when he can continue to build his resume as a recruiter and coach at Xavier?

IMO, Charlotte should go after Brad Brownell. East coast guy with recruiting ties throughout NC.

[moss2k]

Honest question, how many assistants with zero HC experience go BCS and succeed? Thats if any assistants get those gigs.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Buzz Williams at Marquette used to sell flyers at Final Fours before he somehow became an assistant and then on to being a very good head coach at Marquette so far.

Charlotte is a very attractive job, they have all the pieces to make the NCAA tournament next season besides a head coach.

[Flyer1407]

Honest question, how many assistants with zero HC experience go BCS and succeed? Thats if any assistants get those gigs.

Jim Boeheim, Tom Izzo, Jamie Dixon, Tom Crean.

Then of course you have guys like Sean Miller, Chris Mack, Mark Few and Brad Stevens, who had no HC experience before going to their non BCS school and have more success than most BCS schools.

[Ninerballin]

But he had a job as the assistant coach at Wake. What is the logic that says that assistant coach at Xavier is a better springboard into a head coaching job than the assistant coach position at Wake?

I'm saying that I think Kelsey took the job here because he wanted to be here.

However, Kelsey wasn't the associate head coach at Wake. The title change is worth the bump most of the time in an assistant's minds. Take a look at what was our associate head coach, Rob Moxley. He was an assistant to Gary Williams at Maryland, brought in some big names in his one season there (Vasquez, Milbourne, Osby, etc.), but he chose to come back to Charlotte and become the Associate Head Coach.

Being an assistant at an ACC school isn't all fun and glamor as one might think.

[waggy]

Taking coaches from the staff of other conference mates does not strengthen the conference. It really is dumb even to suggest.

So I guess my next question is, does Charlotte have any ****ing clue what they are doing? I guess we are about to find out.

[s9er]

Jim Boeheim, Tom Izzo, Jamie Dixon, Tom Crean.

Then of course you have guys like Sean Miller, Chris Mack, Mark Few and Brad Stevens, who had no HC experience before going to their non BCS school and have more success than most BCS schools.

I don't think a promotion from within is the same as moving from one program to another

Boeheim took over at Cuse as standing assistant- not to mention this was long before the BCS were nothng more than 3 letters.
Izzo- Again promoted from within.
Dixon-Came to Pitt with Howland, promoted from within.

Crean Came to IU From Marquette, he was HC at Marquette (in CUSA), not BCS.


The BCS schools worth a crap typically want a proven winner who has run a program. Depaul or Rutgers might roll the dice, but by in large if yuo look at teh last 20 BCS hires, it is either from within or a HC at another school.

[s9er]

Taking coaches from the staff of other conference mates does not strengthen the conference. It really is dumb even to suggest.

So I guess my next question is, does Charlotte have any ****ing clue what they are doing? I guess we are about to find out.

If your 1st thought is about the league rather than your own program you should not be an AD- saying you would never hurt a league mate at the league meetings is one thing, but believing it is another.

If Kelsey is the guy for us, I really don't give a flip how it impacts X or the A10.

Sorry and I hope no offense is taken.

[SlimKibbles]

What's Melvin Watkins up to these days?

[waggy]

If your 1st thought is about the league rather than your own program you should not be an AD- saying you would never hurt a league mate at the league meetings is one thing, but believing it is another.

If Kelsey is the guy for us, I really don't give a flip how it impacts X or the A10.

Sorry and I hope no offense is taken.

Whether you get this or not, A10 members are actually partners in the struggle for (lack of a better term) legitimacy. Power numbers, strength of schedule, etc. Ie, our fair share of the marketplace. Losing Kelsey may or may not be significant to X's long term asperations. If he turns Charlotte into a consistent NCAA tourney team though, in a round about way that actually helps X. So the point is, we want Charlotte to be good. It's good for us if you are.

So that is my basic problem with Charlotte since they've joined. They don't truly get it, that as a business, the real competition lies outside the conference. Real leadership wouldn't have allowed the coach to blame conference affiliation for lack of performance. Just plain excuse making. No AD worth their salt puts up with that. Then, the leadership allows the fan base to get all lathered over football. So many questions here I don't even no where to begin. But putting aside whether it's even realistic, the real question is what does Charlotte want to be? Point being, there aren't many schools that are really great at both, and you don't need a football team to have a great basketball program. If you pumped the football money into basketball you could hire Phil Jackson.

So really Kelsey isn't the big issue. It's the pattern that has developed and the names we are hearing (hoping they are just rumors and/or smokescreen). Takes 5 years at least to fix a bad hire.

[Xman95]

Buzz Williams at Marquette used to sell flyers at Final Fours before he somehow became an assistant and then on to being a very good head coach at Marquette so far.

Charlotte is a very attractive job, they have all the pieces to make the NCAA tournament next season besides a head coach.

Add John Groce and they're dancing!

[Ninerballin]

Taking coaches from the staff of other conference mates does not strengthen the conference. It really is dumb even to suggest.

So I guess my next question is, does Charlotte have any ****ing clue what they are doing? I guess we are about to find out.

Hey at least we aren't going and grabbing the Bonnies Head coach like URI did. BTW, I'd argue that taking a top level assistant from within the conference does strengthen the conference. With Kelsey's ability, it wouldn't be long before another team came knocking or some high level BCS program offered him a lot of money to come over as an Assoc. HC. It's best to keep him within the conference. I don't see how in the hell it's going to hurt the conference if one of the best assistants in it goes to be HC at a conference team.

BTW, aren't you guys at Xavier always preaching you are more than just one person and one person doesn't make the program?

[Ninerballin]

What's Melvin Watkins up to these days?

Melvin's not coming back to Charlotte. He and Judy can't get along.

[waggy]

Add John Groce and they're dancing!

Looks like a Charlotte blog is reporting that he is in the mix now. Don't know if he should be the guy, but he has the basic attributes at least. Not a retread.

[xsteve1]

You guys couldn't go wrong with Groce or Kelsey. Two guys who know the Xavier way and can flat out recruit. Gotta think if Groce gets it Kelsey would be on the candidate list at OU.

[waggy]

BTW, aren't you guys at Xavier always preaching you are more than just one person and one person doesn't make the program?

I'd likely have a much different view of this if we hadn't just hired this staff. It hasn't even been a full year. Hope you can understand that. If not, I'll just say I was channeling Metro.

[Jumpy]

I think it's wishful thinking for us to believe that Kelsey would pass up on the Charlotte gig. He didn't leave Wake for X simply because he likes X, or Cincy. He left because it was another rung up the ladder. He got a promotion to Associate Head Coach. He has great recruiting ties in the Carolinas and along the east coast and Charlotte is a very attractive job for a first time HC.

If offered, I think he's gone. With Coach Mack's blessing, to boot.

[Lamont Sanford]

If I recall correctly, one of the main reasons he turned down the assistnat job at Florida and the other HC jobs at High Point and App State was the fact that he and his wife wanted to be closer to family back here. They have two young daughters and as a coach he is on the road a lot. He wanted to make sure his wife had the support of family when he was on the road. When he was a Wake, they had no family to help out when he was on the road.

Now, do I think he'll stay at X forever? No. I do however think he'll be around a little while longer...perhaps until the kids get a little older.

Honestly, the coach I would go after is John Groce from Ohio U. He is a rising star and has head coaching experience.

[GoMuskies]

My guess is that if Kelsey is offered the job he'd take it. It's almost impossible to turn down doubling (or more) your salary and getting a huge promotion. And not many coaches get to start out at a job as high-profile as Charlotte. It's a fantastic opportunity.

[kyxu]

My guess is that if Kelsey is offered the job he'd take it. It's almost impossible to turn down doubling (or more) your salary and getting a huge promotion. And not many coaches get to start out at a job as high-profile as Charlotte. It's a fantastic opportunity.

And then in several years when Mack leaves for another job, Kelsey will return to Xavier as the head coach.

"eat it, Charlotte" -me from the future

[s9er]

Whether you get this or not, A10 members are actually partners in the struggle for (lack of a better term) legitimacy. Power numbers, strength of schedule, etc. Ie, our fair share of the marketplace. Losing Kelsey may or may not be significant to X's long term asperations. If he turns Charlotte into a consistent NCAA tourney team though, in a round about way that actually helps X. So the point is, we want Charlotte to be good. It's good for us if you are.

So that is my basic problem with Charlotte since they've joined. They don't truly get it, that as a business, the real competition lies outside the conference. Real leadership wouldn't have allowed the coach to blame conference affiliation for lack of performance. Just plain excuse making. No AD worth their salt puts up with that. Then, the leadership allows the fan base to get all lathered over football. So many questions here I don't even no where to begin. But putting aside whether it's even realistic, the real question is what does Charlotte want to be? Point being, there aren't many schools that are really great at both, and you don't need a football team to have a great basketball program. If you pumped the football money into basketball you could hire Phil Jackson.

So really Kelsey isn't the big issue. It's the pattern that has developed and the names we are hearing (hoping they are just rumors and/or smokescreen). Takes 5 years at least to fix a bad hire.

We here in Charlotte know full well what the struggle for legitimacy is all about. We don't get covered by our own paper, discussed by the local news stations, talked about our own sports talk radio. Such is life living in the shadow of the ACC and SEC. That being said I don't know how taking an assistant is out of bounds. Next thing you are going to tell me is that once a school calls dibs on a recruit everyone in the league should back off. We all want the league to prosper, but ever member of the A10 needs to do what they can to get better. This isn't Russia. Is this Russia? This isn't Russia

I'm not sure you'd get much argument on the Charlotte boards if you said the AD handled (insert issue here) poorly. Lutz did bemoan the move to the A10, should he have? Probably not, but it really did hurt. My comments are totally ignoring the fact that the A10 is a very good league, one that probably has better balance. We are in a tough geographic spot and having Pitino, Huggins, Calamari, Crean etc.. in house every year helped the profile. A predominantly "Northern/Northeastern" league has been a tougher sell in Charlotte (again, ignoring the fact that the basketball has been good).. It also doesn't help that you need to kill someone to get on TV in the A10. Regardless, the perception that the move hurt us became reality. The A10 didn't blunt a solid run of NCAA appearances, bringing in players that weren't that good did. As Mempiss showed, you can win in a bad league and still prosper (cheating helps as well).

Did the move to the A10 hurt? Absolutely, self inflicted pain.
Should it have impacted us to the point we haven't been to the tournament in 5 years and just fired our coach? Absolutely F'ing not. We didn't adjust and the league had nothing to do with it.

As for the football part, not sure where you are going with that. The fan base was getting "lathered" about football long before she got involved, and the alumni/student fervor is was what forced the school to act, not the other way around. Football is a good thing, who doesn't want to have a football team at your alma mater? I guess what we want is a complete sports experience for students, alumni and athletes. I never think it is bad to improve the profile of the university from an athletic standpoint. There is a laundry list of reasons why it is important and even needed. Money, getting starting late in the game are cons, but any new enterprise carries risk. Again, perhaps it’s the geography, we are the doughnut hole in ACC and SEC territory but football is king, and what will be a 30,000 student University without a football team doesn't make sense. I understand football and the A10 don’t mix, but hopefully it will allow Charlotte to be better positioned in the future. As we have all seen countless times during recent league shakeups, you have to look out for #1.

[_LH]

Jeff Battle.

[rworkman09]

Jeff Battle.

I'd be fine with Battle too. I'd rather have Kelsey though. I also wouldn't mind if he left Charlotte to go back to Xavier because if Xavier would want him back, it'd mean he did a good job at Charlotte. If he could get us back to a level of competitiveness, we would be a very attractive place for many prospective coaches.
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[_LH]

I don't think Kelsey will ever be the head guy at XU.

[Miller'sTale]

I've heard that whoever they hire, it will be required they hire Brian Gregory as Director of BBall Operations. He's got a clear track record for being able to guide a program and he's looking for a step up from Dayton.

[MADXSTER]

I don't think Kelsey will ever be the head guy at XU.

My understanding with the "Associate Head Coach" title was basically that if the head coach left, the vacated position would automatically be filled by the Associate Head Coach. That's the designated difference between Assistant coach and AHC.

[XUglow]

Brian Gregory... he's looking for a step up.

So many jokes. So little time.

[kyxu]

My understanding with the "Associate Head Coach" title was basically that if the head coach left, the vacated position would automatically be filled by the Associate Head Coach. That's the designated difference between Assistant coach and AHC.

I think that would be an incorrect understanding. Otherwise, there would have been no coaching search after Miller left, and it wouldn't have taken a week and a half to name Mack as the head coach.

My understanding is that the "associate head coach" title is just window dressing. It's the top assistant...whatever that means, considering each assistant coach has their own recruiting and scouting responsibilities.

[MADXSTER]

kyxu, did Mack have that title?? I didn't think he did.

[kyxu]

kyxu, did Mack have that title?? I didn't think he did.

He did, if I'm not mistaken.

[Flyer1407]

What kid of money does Charlotte have / spend on it's basketball program? I said earlier that Dayton and Xavier were probably the only 2 programs with deep enough pockets to make counter offers on coaches they have who are offered BCS positions, I just assumed Charlotte doesn't have that kind of coin.

[xuab]

FWIW, here's a tweet on the subject from Shannon:

slrussell XU assoc. h. coach Pat Kelsey's name has been among those in the rumor mill for the Charlotte vacancy. But PK has not been contacted by Ch.

[sweet16]

Jeff Battle.

You can't be serious. Battle has to be 50 years old and has been an assistant coach for at least 25 years. When you see a situation like that you have to ask yourself why.........does he not aspire to be a HC (and there's nothing wrong with that) or is he generally not considered to be HC material.

[SixFig]

This would be a huge blow to recruiting no question.

The potential losses of Canty and Wells (Kelsey products) would suck big time.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Canty has already signed so he wouldn't be going anywhere, Wells could change because he's just a verbal until November.

[SixFig]

Canty has already signed so he wouldn't be going anywhere, Wells could change because he's just a verbal until November.

Kevin Parrom signed a LOI too. Just sayin.

On the brighter side I assume they chose Xavier for more than our awesome associate head coach.

[The_Mack_Pack]

Kevin Parrom signed a LOI too. Just sayin.

On the brighter side I assume they chose Xavier for more than our awesome associate head coach.

I believe players can only get released from their LOI when the HC leaves the school, not an assistant coach.

[stophorseabuse]

I believe players can only get released from their LOI when the HC leaves the school, not an assistant coach.

A school does not have to release a player even if the HC leaves, it would just be in poor taste not to. Unless you are Fordham most programs are above forcing a kid to go to their college.

[rworkman09]

I would think IF Kelsey were offered and were to accept the Charlotte job, he would not recruit any of Xaviers committments to follow him. As a Charlotte fan I'd love to see Wells, but I don't think he'd do that to X since he and Mack are good friends.
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[kyxu]

Wow, our season's not even over and we're sweating losing our top assistant.

I hate you, Charlotte.

[moss2k]

Wow, our season's not even over and we're sweating losing our top assistant.

I hate you, Charlotte.

Sad that it's taken this long for us to be hated :(

[SixFig]

I would think IF Kelsey were offered and were to accept the Charlotte job, he would not recruit any of Xaviers committments to follow him. As a Charlotte fan I'd love to see Wells, but I don't think he'd do that to X since he and Mack are good friends.

Well supposedly Mack and Miller were/are friends yet Parrom went southwest.

Sorry to be a wet blanket. I'm just getting out the negativity now so tomorrow my usual bountiful unrealistic optimism will shine bright.

[Smooth]

Given Charlotte's inclination to married players who blow kisses to their wives, maybe they should hire a Mormon coach. Or maybe Lutz was Mormon. These coaching rumors always confuse me.

[Ninerballin]

What kid of money does Charlotte have / spend on it's basketball program? I said earlier that Dayton and Xavier were probably the only 2 programs with deep enough pockets to make counter offers on coaches they have who are offered BCS positions, I just assumed Charlotte doesn't have that kind of coin.

Well we did buy out Lutz who is owed a million. I wouldn't say our pockets are as deep as Dayton and X, but we do have some coin. BTW, I SLU has pretty deep pockets as well, what's Majerus at? A million a year?

[_LH]

You can't be serious. Battle has to be 50 years old and has been an assistant coach for at least 25 years. When you see a situation like that you have to ask yourself why.........does he not aspire to be a HC (and there's nothing wrong with that) or is he generally not considered to be HC material.

First, how old is Sienna's coach and second, Battle probably would have been the coach at Wake over Dino had Jeff's wife not been sick.

[_LH]

My understanding with the "Associate Head Coach" title was basically that if the head coach left, the vacated position would automatically be filled by the Associate Head Coach. That's the designated difference between Assistant coach and AHC.

I just see Kelsey leaving way before Mack does.

[coasterville95]

I'm afraid I have heard this is a virtual done deal from more than just the internet community. Heard from some other people that Charlotte is just waiting until March Madness ends.

[xavierj]

You guys are really not worried about an assistant coach leaving hurt the program, are you? Have some freaking faith in your head coach. No recruits will bolt if Kelsey is not here next year. Chris has a great relationship with all of his recruits. He is good friends with Dez Wells AAU coach and had a lot to do with his recruitment. Yes Xavier lost Parrom but Chris had no relationship with Parrom. Kevin had a relationship with Book and Sean and he signed on to play for Sean, not Chris.

If Kelsey leaves then Chris will find a solid replacement and I will be happy for Pat.

[moss2k]

I'm afraid I have heard this is a virtual done deal from more than just the internet community. Heard from some other people that Charlotte is just waiting until March Madness ends.

I hope that you are correct. Kelsey is far and away my #1 choice to be our next HC. I'm sure we haven't talked with him, but I wouldn't doubt that we've been in contact with his agent (should he have one).

[_LH]

Kelsey is far and away my #1 choice to be our next HC.

Really?

[Xman95]

Kelsey is far and away my #1 choice to be our next HC.

Not that I don't think Kelsey will be a good coach, but I would have someone like John Groce a little higher on my list. I think they're similar in what they'll bring to the table (recruiting ability, knowledge, drive/desire, etc.), but Groce has the edge in experience. Granted, OU hasn't turned into Duke during his two years there, but the improvement in the program is already apparent.

[_LH]

Not that I don't think Kelsey will be a good coach, but I would have someone like John Groce a little higher on my list. I think they're similar in what they'll bring to the table (recruiting ability, knowledge, drive/desire, etc.), but Groce has the edge in experience. Granted, OU hasn't turned into Duke during his two years there, but the improvement in the program is already apparent.

+1

[moss2k]

Kelsey has shown the ability to recruit top talent from NC into the A10, something that we haven't been able to accomplish. Sure he doesn't have the 2 yrs of HC experience, his assistant experience is pretty strong. Sometimes it takes a risk, and to me, Kelsey seems like a better fit for us.

[xavierj]

Not that I don't think Kelsey will be a good coach, but I would have someone like John Groce a little higher on my list. I think they're similar in what they'll bring to the table (recruiting ability, knowledge, drive/desire, etc.), but Groce has the edge in experience. Granted, OU hasn't turned into Duke during his two years there, but the improvement in the program is already apparent.

I don't think Groce would be interested. He has everyone back at OU next year and they can be very good. He knows after next season his options will be much higher and filled with much more cash.

[cinskyline]

You guys are really not worried about an assistant coach leaving hurt the program, are you? Have some freaking faith in your head coach. No recruits will bolt if Kelsey is not here next year. Chris has a great relationship with all of his recruits. He is good friends with Dez Wells AAU coach and had a lot to do with his recruitment. Yes Xavier lost Parrom but Chris had no relationship with Parrom. Kevin had a relationship with Book and Sean and he signed on to play for Sean, not Chris.

If Kelsey leaves then Chris will find a solid replacement and I will be happy for Pat.

Exactly. Chris probably already has some idea of Kelsey's intentions, and probably has a couple people in mind to replace Kelsey once he leaves, which will happen eventually.

[_LH]

Kelsey has shown the ability to recruit top talent from NC into the A10, something that we haven't been able to accomplish. Sure he doesn't have the 2 yrs of HC experience, his assistant experience is pretty strong. Sometimes it takes a risk, and to me, Kelsey seems like a better fit for us.

I think Kelsey is a great assistant for XU but UNCC should be able to do better as a replacement for Lutz.

[moss2k]

I'm afraid I have heard this is a virtual done deal from more than just the internet community. Heard from some other people that Charlotte is just waiting until March Madness ends.

I certainly hope what you're hearing is correct.

[Masterofreality]

I think Kelsey is a great assistant for XU but UNCC should be able to do better as a replacement for Lutz.

Does Pat really want to leave Cincinnati to go butt heads with Dino and the other ACC schools in recruiting to a school down there?

I would think not.

[_LH]

I would really hope UNCC could get someone with HC experience. Kelsey or another assistant might do really well but if I were a 49er fan, I'd want a proven HC even if it was from the Horizon or MAC.

[rworkman09]

If we were paying him what he makes at X or even close to it, maybe not. Since he'd get 500-700k per year to come coach at Charlotte, I think yes. Mullins, Watkins, and Lutz butted heads with ACC teams for many years and were very successful.

It's not as hard to be successful as some of you seem to think it is. Sure we've been a disappointment since we've been in the league, but Lutz's style of play just didn't mesh well with the A10. We had great amounts of success (although less so in the tournament) when in CUSA because Lutz undisciplined style of play fit that conference better. We have good facilities and fertile recruiting grounds. All we need is the right coach.
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[waggy]

And most here are trying to tell you that Kelsey probably isn't the best option (for various reasons I don't want to get into), but you guys have convinced yourselves otherwise.

[Smails]

I certainly what you're hearing is correct.

If that's the case and you guys nab Kelsey, I want Braswell in return.

[rworkman09]

And most here are trying to tell you that Kelsey probably isn't the best option (for various reasons I don't want to get into), but you guys have convinced yourselves otherwise.

and that may be correct. We've just had some awful names thrown out as potential candidates, so Niner fans are excited to see someone who is not a retread and fits the profile of what our AD said she was looking for.

Also I just think many are impressed with the fact that everyone that comes out of Xavier seems to have coaching success.
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[moss2k]

If that's the case and you guys nab Kelsey, I want Braswell in return.

ha! We'll let you see him a couple times next year, that good enough?

[joe titan]

Here are some of those Xavier coaching success lines. Ever seen Dino's record at Army & Loyola MD ? Bobby Gonzalez ? Louis Orr did fairly well at Siena but at Seton Hall & BG ?
How about Mark Schmidt ? No disrespect and he stepped into real graveyards at both Robt Morris & SBU, but progress has been slow. Even Skip had several years not worthy of praise.

Just sayin' what seems to be UNCC fixation that anything XU related is sure to work... might not be the best logic.

[boozehound]

Well supposedly Mack and Miller were/are friends yet Parrom went southwest.

Sorry to be a wet blanket. I'm just getting out the negativity now so tomorrow my usual bountiful unrealistic optimism will shine bright.

I see where you are coming from, but I also think that it is extremely rare for a school to let a player out of an LOI to go to an in-conference rival because an assistant coach left.

In fact, I can't think of a specific instance in which a player was let out of an LOI because an assistant left. I'm sure it has happened. I'm just not aware of an instance.

Not to mention the fact that from all accounts I have heard Kelsey is a stand-up guy. I wouldn't expect him to even offer Wells, or particularly Canty. This is doubly true if he would ever want to be the Xavier head coach if/when Mack moves on.

I wouldn't worry about Pat taking any XU recruits to Charlotte.

[rworkman09]

Which is why I'm glad our fanbase isn't making the decision. If we were, we would have hired and fired at least 5 coaches within the last week.
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[thefortyniner]

The thing I like about Pat Kelsey is his marketing ability. That is one thing that I really think we need in a coach: somebody who can sell this team and this league to the city and the media. Of everybody on our list, be they a head coach or an assistant, he appears to be the most adept in this department. He has experience in the conference, the ability to recruit both in our general area as well as the general conference footprint...

...add it all together and I would be very happy to have him.

Good luck tonight, I'm rooting for you guys.

[Masterofreality]

The thing I like about Pat Kelsey is his marketing ability. That is one thing that I really think we need in a coach: somebody who can sell this team and this league to the city and the media. Of everybody on our list, be they a head coach or an assistant, he appears to be the most adept in this department. He has experience in the conference, the ability to recruit both in our general area as well as the general conference footprint...

...add it all together and I would be very happy to have him.

Good luck tonight, I'm rooting for you guys.

Thanks, 49er, but....

....Can the rest of this league just stop relying on Xavier to keep bailing them out of every problem? :p

[thefortyniner]

Thanks, 49er, but....

....Can the rest of this league just stop relying on Xavier to keep bailing them out of every problem? :p

We're trying to bring in a guy that we believe gives us the best opportunity to solve our own problems. Just let us do it in peace!

[moss2k]

com'on down Pat....

[X Factor]

com'on down Pat....

Get the hell outta here...

[moss2k]

Get the hell outta here...

lighten up Francis. Maybe with Kelsey's help, my Niners won't choke and can help the A-10 (outside of XU) preform better in the NCAA's.

[X Factor]

You want me to lighten up after tonight? Did you seriously just tell me to lighten up?

[xu drew]

not tonight dude. just let us console each other in peace without interruption of thoughts about the future...

[coasterville95]

Most of the time, the Charlotte fans around here are good people - but the whole tone of that "Come On Down" post, not a half hour after enduring that emotionally, mentally demanding (for the sports fans) game comes across as a wee bit too happy we lost.

Let me see how Charlotte did in post season play this year... This includes games in Boardwalk Hall.

Yeah - what xu drew said - give us about a weeks cooling down period, okay?

[s9er]

What a game last night, I felt like hell after it was over, I can only imagine how you all felt. You did the league proud..... once again

[thefortyniner]

com'on down Pat....

Too soon?

Yup, too soon.

In other too soon news:

http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10072/croc-steve-irwin.gif

[moss2k]

Obviously Charlotte did nothing, we had an epic collapse and have played like dogs since joining the A10. The thought of adding Kelsey to has us excited, bare with us as we have for got what it feels like.

My post for "com'on down" was not a stab at XU. You are a model, flagship as many of you Muskies like to say, program and the thought of having someone that could bring us success has us excited.

As I said in the bball forum, congrats on your great season and continued success.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Goodman/FoxSports.....


CHARLOTTE EYEING DOOLEY

The president of the school is out of the country, but sources have told me that Charlotte is targeting Kansas assistant Joe Dooley to replace Bobby Lutz.

Other candidates include Xavier assistant Pat Kelsey and Texas assistant Russell Springmann.



http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/03/26/coaching_scoop:_st._johns_moving_on,_iowa_talking, _charlotte_eyeing_assistant

[thefortyniner]

Per Goodman/FoxSports.....


CHARLOTTE EYEING DOOLEY

The president of the school is out of the country, but sources have told me that Charlotte is targeting Kansas assistant Joe Dooley to replace Bobby Lutz.

Other candidates include Xavier assistant Pat Kelsey and Texas assistant Russell Springmann.

http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/03/26/coaching_scoop:_st._johns_moving_on,_iowa_talking, _charlotte_eyeing_assistant




NO NO NO NO NO! *stomps feet*

I just have a bad, bad, bad gut feeling about this guy. I simply don't think he can win as a head coach.

[rworkman09]

NO NO NO NO NO! *stomps feet*

I just have a bad, bad, bad gut feeling about this guy. I simply don't think he can win as a head coach.

I don't get why everyone thinks that. Sure he didn't have a great record as HC at ECU, but nobody does. He was their last coach to have a winning season and I believe the only one to have back to back winning seasons. ECU is a death pit for coaching. They have 1 or 2 NCAA berths in their entire history. I would be happy with Dooley.
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[The_Mack_Pack]

I would be happy with Dooley.

So would I.

[BandAid]

If he leaves, he leaves.


...but please stay Kelsey!

[moss2k]

Dooley was 29 when he got the ECU gig. He has a lot more experience now, than he did then. I don't think Charlotte can do wrong with Kelsey or Dooley. IMHO, Kelsey seems like a better fit due to his ties to NC recruiting, and the A-10.

[SixFig]

If he leaves, he leaves.


...but please stay Kelsey!

http://www.teesforall.com/images/Rocky_If_He_Dies_Gray_Shirt.jpg

[vee4xu]

Pat Kelsey could have a lot of jobs right now and more so in the next couple of years. Why in God's good name would he want to go to Charlotte. Also, I can't imagine him starting off his head coaching career moving within the conference. How does that help him. 49er fans, keep dreaming. Pat is too smart to want or take your men's head basketball coaching job. He can do better. He deserves better.

[vee4xu]

What a game last night, I felt like hell after it was over, I can only imagine how you all felt. You did the league proud..... once again

Hell, it's Xavier's annual obligation to save the A-10's face year in and year out. Goodness knows no other teams do it. The program has to be feeling the weight of carrying this weak assed conference on its back. Whatever the conference earns monetarily from being in the NCAA should go 100% to Xavier's athletic department. No else ever earns anything.

Xavier = A-10 flagship!

[Nigel Tufnel]

While I think Kelsey to Charlotte would be great for Charlotte (and suck for X), wouldn't that convey a weird perception from Charlotte's point of view? Hiring an associate head coach from a team within the league? How often has that happened?

[moss2k]

URI took Baron from St. Bona.

[Ninerballin]

I don't get why everyone thinks that. Sure he didn't have a great record as HC at ECU, but nobody does. He was their last coach to have a winning season and I believe the only one to have back to back winning seasons. ECU is a death pit for coaching. They have 1 or 2 NCAA berths in their entire history. I would be happy with Dooley.

Yup, NO ONE, absolutely NO ONE wins at ECU. It's a horrible job for basketball. Their two NCAA Tournament appearances came in two losing years. The first in came in 71-72 under Tom Quinn, when they went 14-15 overall, and the second came under Eddie Payne when they went 10-18 overall.

Joe Dooley is the only coach ever to win 17 games or more twice at ECU. Hence the reason ECU wanted Joe in a very bad way, but he turned them down.

Since they've been in CUSA, they've never finished above 9th, and they are in one of the worst areas to recruit period.

No coach has survived more than 4 seasons there since Charlie Harrison went 5 in the 80's , and Tom Quinn went 8 in the 60-70's.

Getting Dooley or Kelsey would be win/win and both guys can coach their tails off.

[X-band '01]

Didn't Dave Odom also coach at ECU?

[flatspat]

Don't know if Dave Odom coached at E.Carolina but he did coach at S.Carolina.

[Flyer1407]

Xavier assistant head coach to Charlotte head coach is a lateral move at best, IMO. Kelsey will be able to pick where he wants to go within a few years. Why settle for Charlotte?

[rworkman09]

Didn't Dave Odom also coach at ECU?

He did from 79-82
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[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Charlotte Observer/Sat......



Peterson: No contact from Charlotte 49ers

Appalachian State coach Buzz Peterson, whose team ended its season Thursday night with a loss to Pacific in the semifinals of the CollegeInsider.com tournament, confirmed Saturday he had not been contacted by the Charlotte 49ers regarding their coaching vacancy.

Still in the mix as possible 49ers coaches are former Alabama coach Mark Gottfried; former Wyoming and Clemson coach Larry Shyatt, who is now associate head coach at Florida; Kansas assistant and former East Carolina coach Joe Dooley; ***Xavier associate head coach Pat Kelsey; and former Wake Forest and South Carolina coach Dave Odom.



http://gmine.blogspot.com/2010/03/peterson-no-contact-from-charlotte.html

[thefortyniner]

Xavier assistant head coach to Charlotte head coach is a lateral move at best, IMO. Kelsey will be able to pick where he wants to go within a few years. Why settle for Charlotte?

I'd like to chalk this post up to blind arrogance, but you're apparently a Dayton fan.

So, what's your excuse?

[AviatorX]

I'd like to chalk this post up to blind arrogance, but you're apparently a Dayton fan.

So, what's your excuse?

Being a Dayton fan IS his excuse.

[moss2k]

Being a Dayton fan IS his excuse.

beat me to it.

[DC Muskie]

You've got to think Charlotte's a good job. Has to be. If not, then what the hell does it say about the conference when a job like Charlotte is a bad one.

For the record, I'd take the Charlotte job. We'd run the 1-3-1 zone defense. We'd push the ball and shoot with plenty of time still on the clock.

We'd also lose by 90 points every game, but I get business cards that says DC Muskie, Head Coach Charlotte 49er basketball.

And yes, my name would be DC Muskie.

[X-Fan]

You've got to think Charlotte's a good job. Has to be. If not, then what the hell does it say about the conference when a job like Charlotte is a bad one.

For the record, I'd take the Charlotte job. We'd run the 1-3-1 zone defense. We'd push the ball and shoot with plenty of time still on the clock.

We'd also lose by 90 points every game, but I get business cards that says DC Muskie, Head Coach Charlotte 49er basketball.

And yes, my name would be DC Muskie.

I don't think it's a "bad" job. I just think that Kelsey will hold out for a higher profile job.

[Muskie]

I don't think it's a "bad" job. I just think that Kelsey will hold out for a higher profile job.

If Kelsey is offered the job, he'd take it. Just a gut based on absolutely nothing but my own conjecture. It's a D-1 coaching job and Coach Kelsey apparently has aspirations of being a D-1 head coach. There are a finite number of them.

[thefortyniner]

If Kelsey is offered the job, he'd take it. Just a gut based on absolutely nothing but my own conjecture. It's a D-1 coaching job and Coach Kelsey apparently has aspirations of being a D-1 head coach. There are a finite number of them.

Agreed. Most assistant coaches would jump at a chance for a head coaching job at any A10 school, let alone one that actually has a great (albeit unrealized) potential to win consistently.

Personally, I hope Kelsey is our guy. We need a guy that can sell the program and the conference to the city and media, and Kelsey is arguably one of the best marketers in the college coaching world. My respect for Xavier and what your coaches have accomplished takes care of the rest.

[boozehound]

If Kelsey is offered the job, he'd take it. Just a gut based on absolutely nothing but my own conjecture. It's a D-1 coaching job and Coach Kelsey apparently has aspirations of being a D-1 head coach. There are a finite number of them.

I agree. Also, it's not like we are talking about coaching at Hofstra or SEMO state or something like that. Charlotte would be a pretty decent program for a 1st time head coach. If you want to be a head coach I don't know how you turn down Charlotte as a first head coaching gig.

[DC Muskie]

I don't think it's a "bad" job. I just think that Kelsey will hold out for a higher profile job.

Like where? I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just curious which jobs you see opening up that would be higher profile.

[Flyer1407]

I'd like to chalk this post up to blind arrogance, but you're apparently a Dayton fan.

So, what's your excuse?

Explain to me why Charlotte is a good job.

I also don't think you need a "high profile" start (not that Charlotte is that high profile). Look at a guy like Jay Wright who started at Hofstra and is now one of the nations top coaches.

[X-band '01]

Wright was also a longtime assistant for Rollie Massimino - it's not like he came it without any ties to a major program. He's winning at a respectable clip as Rollie did, just without the baggage.

[Flyer1407]

Wright was also a longtime assistant for Rollie Massimino - it's not like he came it without any ties to a major program. He's winning at a respectable clip as Rollie did, just without the baggage.

I would put Xavier on the same level as Villanova and BCS schools.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Cincy Enquirer......


Xavier's Pat Kelsey on Charlotte interview:
'Nothing happening'

Although Pat Kelsey continues to garner buzz as a potential candidate for the Charlotte coaching vacancy, Xavier’s associate head basketball coach squelched rumors about an impending interview in a Monday text message.

“Nothing happening,” Kelsey wrote.





http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20100329/SPT0102/303290140/1065/XU+s+Kelsey+dismisses+Charlotte+rumor

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Cincy Enquirer.....


**Latest blog post......



Update: Charlotte contacts Kelsey
Charlotte has contacted Xavier associate head coach Pat Kelsey regarding its coaching vacancy, a source close to the program says.

Kelsey was contacted late Monday regarding the position, which opened March 15 after 12th-year coach Bobby Lutz was fired. Kelsey spent eight seasons at Wake Forest before joining Chris Mack’s staff at XU.





http://cincinnati.com/blogs/xavier/2010/03/30/update-charlotte-contacts-kelsey/

[ice_cold49er]

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/xavier/2010/03/30/update-charlotte-contacts-kelsey/


This is my first post over here, and I just want to start off by saying that I respect the Xavier program greatly. I was cheering for both the men's and women's teams in their respective games, and was pretty heartbroken for the players of both teams in their TOUGH tourney losses.

Just wanted to post this link because things changed as of later last night. I would love to have a coach that has been a part of such a well run program.

(Just noticed that I was beat to the punch) :o

[Titanxman04]

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/xavier/2010/03/30/update-charlotte-contacts-kelsey/


This is my first post over here, and I just want to start off by saying that I respect the Xavier program greatly. I was cheering for both the men's and women's teams in their respective games, and was pretty heartbroken for the players of both teams in their TOUGH tourney losses.

Just wanted to post this link because things changed as of later last night. I would love to have a coach that has been a part of such a well run program.

(Just noticed that I was beat to the punch) :o

Welcome to our board. I don't doubt that Charlotte will find a solid and proactive coach. Your program has a lot of potential I feel, especially in the College Hoops "Death Trap" (Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake, etc..). If you take Kelsey, I wish him luck. I rather enjoy seeing smaller programs like OU succeed with Xavier's past. However, I want to be greedy and tell you to also look elsewhere.

If you can pass along my sentiments to your administration, it'd be much appreciated.

For the record, I must say that for the most part, I've found your fanbase quite respectful, at least when coming on here to post. Good luck, friend. And remember: To hell with dayton.

[moss2k]

Welcome to our board. I don't doubt that Charlotte will find a solid and proactive coach. Your program has a lot of potential I feel, especially in the College Hoops "Death Trap" (Duke, UNC, NC State, Wake, etc..). If you take Kelsey, I wish him luck. I rather enjoy seeing smaller programs like OU succeed with Xavier's past. However, I want to be greedy and tell you to also look elsewhere.

If you can pass along my sentiments to your administration, it'd be much appreciated.

For the record, I must say that for the most part, I've found your fanbase quite respectful, at least when coming on here to post. Good luck, friend. And remember: To hell with dayton.
You'll find that our fanbases are in agreement with this statement. Their fans make it seem as if they are the flagship :eek:

[moss2k]

per out beat writers twitter (www.twitter.com/jim_utter)


Hearing Pat Kelsey will interview with Charlotte 49ers officials this weekend at Final Four about men's bball opening. Working to confirm.

[moss2k]

anyone have an idea as to what Kelsey's salary is?

[Muskie]

anyone have an idea as to what Kelsey's salary is?

That depends... how much you lookin to pay your head coach ;)

[Miller'sTale]

I love how no one is "worried" about this - seriously. I thank Mike Bobinski for putting Chicken Little out to pasture. I love Kelsey and I think he's a tremendous asset for Xavier, but I also love that I know with 100% confidence that Mack and Bobo would bring in some one AT LEAST as good.

The Mack Truck slows down for no one.

On a side note, I think the bookstore should start selling those bulldog hood ornaments found on Mack Trucks. Maybe the bulldog could have an X emblazened on its chest. I'd put one on the hood of my car today if they had them.

http://www.capecodfd.com/Pics%20Macks/FT%20Spring97%20170%20Mack%20Radiator.jpg

[thefortyniner]

Explain to me why Charlotte is a good job.

I also don't think you need a "high profile" start (not that Charlotte is that high profile). Look at a guy like Jay Wright who started at Hofstra and is now one of the nations top coaches.

You Dayton fans certainly are full of yourselves. We're 4-4 against your guys and have finished ahead of you in the conference in three of the five years we've been in the conference.

But don't let the statistics break your spirit. After all, you're so far ahead that we should consider ourselves privileged to share a conference with the epic powerhouse that is the University of Dayton.

[moss2k]

Also worth noting that finishing in front of UD 3 out or 5 years while our program has been down.

[powerofX]

You Dayton fans certainly are full of yourselves. We're 4-4 against your guys and have finished ahead of you in the conference in three of the five years we've been in the conference.

But don't let the statistics break your spirit. After all, you're so far ahead that we should consider ourselves privileged to share a conference with the epic powerhouse that is the University of Dayton.

Love it. Charlotte fans running smack on Dayton on a Xavier board.

I want Kelsey to stay, but being in Charlotte and hating the ACC, I want the 49ers to be successful. And Kelsey's fire and NC area connections from his Wake time would fit the bill. If we thought that XU got the short end of media coverage in the city versus UC, you would be amazed at the Non-49er coverage vs. Duke and UNC. And their campuses are 4 hours away.

As a matter of fact, with all the transplants in Charlotte, you are more likely to hear discussions about Pitt, WVU, Uconn, and OSU than 49ers on local sports radio. I've been listening to hear about the coaching search and when they devote 3 or 4 minutes to the topic it is so ridiculous. You would think the A10 was the MEAC. One announcer actually said that the "a10 wasn't as crappy as we thought it was"...referring to teams that could have made the dance this year. Brutal!

[ice_cold49er]

As a matter of fact, with all the transplants in Charlotte, you are more likely to hear discussions about Pitt, WVU, Uconn, and OSU than 49ers on local sports radio. I've been listening to hear about the coaching search and when they devote 3 or 4 minutes to the topic it is so ridiculous. You would think the A10 was the MEAC. One announcer actually said that the "a10 wasn't as crappy as we thought it was"...referring to teams that could have made the dance this year. Brutal!

Yep, our coverage is crap. Winning more would sure help, but it would still be subpar.

[Kahns Krazy]

I guess the part of this that still doesn't make sense to me is why Kelsey would have come to X if he was looking to make the head coaching jump in a year. I don't get how the assistant coach job at X is more likely to lead to lead to a head coaching job than the assistant coach job at Wake. Maybe it is.

Maybe I'm just trying to rationalize why I think he should stay. Maybe he didn't expect good head coaching opportunities to come this quick.

[Drew's Crew]

Maybe I'm just trying to rationalize why I think he should stay. Maybe he didn't expect good head coaching opportunities to come this quick.

I think this is the main reason, but there could have been other factors.

He may have gotten a pay raise to come to X.

I know he is the "associate head coach" here. Was he that at Wake or just an assistant?

Not to mention, he probably is aware at the jump X has been making to one the the truly elite programs in the country. Not so sure I can say the same for Wake.

[kyxu]

I know he is the "associate head coach" here. Was he that at Wake or just an assistant?


Kelsey was only an assistant at Wake. I think Jeff Battle was/is the associate head coach.

[Muskie1000]

You Dayton fans certainly are full of yourselves. We're 4-4 against your guys and have finished ahead of you in the conference in three of the five years we've been in the conference.

But don't let the statistics break your spirit. After all, you're so far ahead that we should consider ourselves privileged to share a conference with the epic powerhouse that is the University of Dayton.

Reps to you - your fanbase has at least shown intelligence in discussing basketball - unlike those up north.

[Muskie]

It looks like the Charlotte fanbase believes that it will take $600k to 800K package to land their next coach. I don't know how an assistant can say "no thanks" to that.

[Flyer1407]

You Dayton fans certainly are full of yourselves. We're 4-4 against your guys and have finished ahead of you in the conference in three of the five years we've been in the conference.

But don't let the statistics break your spirit. After all, you're so far ahead that we should consider ourselves privileged to share a conference with the epic powerhouse that is the University of Dayton.

Can someone show the post where I pounded my chest about Dayton? I'm happy that Charlotte fans can rationalize their program going backwards by saying, at least were 4-4 against Dayton.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest with a Charlotte fan because really, whats the point? I hope they sign a coach and they become relevant again. Until then enjoy having no coverage of your team in your own city and being the 10th most popular team in the state.

[thefortyniner]

Can someone show the post where I pounded my chest about Dayton? I'm happy that Charlotte fans can rationalize their program going backwards by saying, at least were 4-4 against Dayton.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest with a Charlotte fan because really, whats the point? I hope they sign a coach and they become relevant again. Until then enjoy having no coverage of your team in your own city and being the 10th most popular team in the state.

It has nothing to do with pounding your chest about Dayton.

It has everything to do with your arrogance and your belittling of Charlotte:


Xavier assistant head coach to Charlotte head coach is a lateral move at best, IMO. Kelsey will be able to pick where he wants to go within a few years. Why settle for Charlotte?

Lateral move at best? Settle for Charlotte?


Explain to me why Charlotte is a good job.

I also don't think you need a "high profile" start (not that Charlotte is that high profile). Look at a guy like Jay Wright who started at Hofstra and is now one of the nations top coaches.

Not a good job? Not that high profile?

Sure, you may have a name (that really only your people care about) but statistically, we've been more successful than you in the A10 since we joined.

So hop off your high horse, because if we are as lowly as your arrogance suggests... well, I've got news for you, kiddo...

...you're right down here with us.

[Roach]

So hop off your high horse, because if we are as lowly as your arrogance suggests... well, I've got news for you, kiddo...

...you're right down here with us.

Wow, SNAP. Well said.

[XU 87]

I guess the part of this that still doesn't make sense to me is why Kelsey would have come to X if he was looking to make the head coaching jump in a year. I don't get how the assistant coach job at X is more likely to lead to lead to a head coaching job than the assistant coach job at Wake. Maybe it is.



Kelsey wanted to be the top assistant at a major program, which presumably would lead to a head coaching job. As noted above, Battle has the top assistant job at Wake. Kelsey interviewed at Florida and I am told was the offered the top assistant's job there, but turned it down. He then took the same job at X.

[Flyer1407]

It has nothing to do with pounding your chest about Dayton.

It has everything to do with your arrogance and your belittling of Charlotte:



Lateral move at best? Settle for Charlotte?



Not a good job? Not that high profile?

Sure, you may have a name (that really only your people care about) but statistically, we've been more successful than you in the A10 since we joined.

So hop off your high horse, because if we are as lowly as your arrogance suggests... well, I've got news for you, kiddo...

...you're right down here with us.

I stand by the fact Charlotte is not high profile. You draw horrible considering how big the school and city is, you have failed to make an NCAA tournament since joining the A10, you have won a total of 2 A10 tournament games (both in the same year), you have a grand total of 1 post season tournament win (1 NIT).

I'm not sure what down here with us means; last year Dayton won an NCAA tournament game....Charlotte went to...______. This year Dayton had one of the most disappointing seasons in it's history yet, are playing in the NIT finals. Charlotte made Atlantic City....wait...they are playing in the ______. Congrats on all the success in Conference USA, though.

This is my last post on the subject. I hope Charlotte hires a coach that will makes them relevant again.

[XU 87]

Interesting argument- which mediocre program is worse.

[vee4xu]

A UNCC fan and ud fan bitch slapping each other on a Xavier chatboard. Perfect. Have at it ladies.

[Ninerballin]

Most of the time, the Charlotte fans around here are good people - but the whole tone of that "Come On Down" post, not a half hour after enduring that emotionally, mentally demanding (for the sports fans) game comes across as a wee bit too happy we lost.

Let me see how Charlotte did in post season play this year... This includes games in Boardwalk Hall.

Yeah - what xu drew said - give us about a weeks cooling down period, okay?

I can assure you, I doubt any Charlotte fan was happy to see Xavier lose. Dayton fans? Maybe, Charlotte fans? No. In fact, I bet every A-10 fan, sans Dayton fans, were rooting for Xavier to pull that one out. One helluva game.

[Fireball]

Love it. Charlotte fans running smack on Dayton on a Xavier board.

Hey, what else can you say about these 49er fans except at least...they're not from Dayton!

[Fireball]

In all seriousness, I'm guessing that Kelsey would not take the Charlotte job. I think that not because Charlotte is not a good enough job, but I really don't think he would go to a conference rival. That being said, he has to interview for the job. If he does have head coaching aspirations, which he clearly does, he can't just blow off an interview for a place like Charlotte.

[Masterofreality]

I've said this many times and I'll say it again, Charlotte is great for this league, I want them to be good, and I want them to stay in the A-10. Great market, good school, beautiful on campus building and an area that loves college basketball if they have a team to root for. Plus I love the fact that there is some southern exposure for a winter trip, although the weather is definitely not "Florida like".

Unless their football plans take them somewhere else, I want Charlotte here. Most of the guys that post here are classy guys too, and don't mind a little good natured smack.

That being said. Everybody else in the world, stop looking at Xavier all the time to solve your problems. There are 340 other D1 basketball schools out there, which means that there are over 1,200 total coaches. Stop with us, already.

[ice_cold49er]

This is my last post on the subject. I hope Charlotte hires a coach that will makes them relevant again.

Thanks! Same to you. Maybe one day you will get a coach that will make you guys relevant too. :D

[Drew's Crew]

Thanks! Same to you. Maybe one day you will get a coach that will make you guys relevant too. :D

HAHA awesome. I don't know though, I think BG may be the best coach in the country at engineering late game collapses. At least he can put that on his resume.

Did you see the look on his face when they began to crap the game away against Ole Miss? That was a classic "here we go again" look. Hilarious.

[thefortyniner]

Interesting argument- which mediocre program is worse.

Mediocre? Maybe. But our firm is top notch.

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/Hooligan//GreenStreetHooligans-4.jpg

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Goodman's Tweet/FoxSports.com........



Hearing that Syracuse assistant Mike Hopkins is in mix pretty good for
Charlotte along with Joe Dooley - per sources.


http://twitter.com/goodmanonfox

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Goodman/FoxSports.....


FRIDAY MORNING'S COACHING SCOOP

Here’s the deal with the Charlotte situation, according to a source close to the situation. Syracuse coach-in-waiting Mike Hopkins is in the drivers’ seat – if he wants the job – and Xavier associate coach Pat Kelsey is a close second right now. Other candidates in the mix include Kansas’ Joe Dooley, Texas’ Russell Springmann and Ohio State’s Alan Major.


http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/04/02/friday_mornings_coaching_scoop

[moss2k]

Kelsey should now be the front runner, Hopkins has withdrawn per Jeff Goodman


While @greggdoyelcbs sleeps, I still get SCOOP: source told FOXSports.com that Syracuse assistant Mike Hopkins has withdrawn from Charlotte.

[jdm2000]

Outside of the intraconference thing, I don't see why Kelsey wouldn't go. It will be a big pay raise, at a school that has the potential to be consistently Top 4-6 in the A10. Short of a Mack-like situation, where is Kelsey going to get a better first head coaching gig? Go there and win big.

[Muskie1000]

I agree - although I'm curious - is he married, does he have kids? If so, I think that anyone would hate to make your family move once again so soon.

[moss2k]

I agree - although I'm curious - is he married, does he have kids? If so, I think that anyone would hate to make your family move once again so soon.

Married with at least 1 kid (maybe 2)

[GoMuskies]

I agree - although I'm curious - is he married, does he have kids? If so, I think that anyone would hate to make your family move once again so soon.

That's a coach's life. Wife has to know that going in.

[suspectx]

He wants to be a head coach and I can't think of too many other jobs to get your first start than Charlotte. I am sure his wife and family will be fine moving back to the area where they lived for a long time.

Basically, I think if Pat is offered the job, he would and should take it on the spot.

[Miller'sTale]

I think Clemson may muddy these waters. The same recruiting inroads that made him attractive to UNCC will no doubt put him on the list at Clemson.

[xavierj]

You're kidding right? Now Xavier assistants are going to get big 6 jobs. Ok. How has Pat not got a head coaching gig to this point. You would think he reinvented the game.

[tjb]

i heard one of the reasons he came back to xavier was to get the miami job after coles leaves. i heard that before last season started. i dont think he would take a mac job before an a10 or something better but i dont know. coulve been just a rumor.

[muskieblob]

If he has the chance, he has to take it. I see it has a really good situation for a first time head coach. There are enought resources there to win. I would hate to see X have to compete against him, but wish him the best.

[Miller'sTale]

You're kidding right? Now Xavier assistants are going to get big 6 jobs. Ok. How has Pat not got a head coaching gig to this point. You would think he reinvented the game.

No, I'm not kidding. How can Xavier fans say in one breath we're a big time program, and then go on to say our top assistant wouldn't be a viable candidate for a "Big 6" job? Is an assistant at Duke, Florida, or Mich St, a more viable candidate?

We're either a big time program or we're not there yet, but it can't be both.

[BandAid]

i heard one of the reasons he came back to xavier was to get the miami job after coles leaves. i heard that before last season started. i dont think he would take a mac job before an a10 or something better but i dont know. coulve been just a rumor.

I don't think Coles will leave the Miami job.

I don't ever see him retiring, and I'm pretty sure he is already dead...he is just a zombie coach who will forever be patrolling the sidelines at Miami.


And if Miami were to ever try to fire him we'd have a zombie uprising on our hands.

[moss2k]

the longer this drags out, the less likely we are to get Kelsey. Just a hunch :-/

[rworkman09]

Not sure how much credibility there is to this since it is a new poster on the board, but someone on ninernation said that it turned out Kelsey was not ready to be a head coach. Made it sound like Kelsey's interview did not go well. :(. I'm sure you guys are happy to hear that though.
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[The_Mack_Pack]

Not sure how much credibility there is to this since it is a new poster on the board, but someone on ninernation said that it turned out Kelsey was not ready to be a head coach. Made it sound like Kelsey's interview did not go well. :(. I'm sure you guys are happy to hear that though.

I was reading that too, not sure how much stock to put into it but there are a lot of hints that Kelsey is not going anywhere.

[xavierj]

No, I'm not kidding. How can Xavier fans say in one breath we're a big time program, and then go on to say our top assistant wouldn't be a viable candidate for a "Big 6" job? Is an assistant at Duke, Florida, or Mich St, a more viable candidate?

We're either a big time program or we're not there yet, but it can't be both.

For the record I love Xavier University but we are not yet on par with Duke, Michigan St. and Florida. Between those 3 schools they have been to like 12 final fours and have won 5 national championships in the last 12 years. In addition, how many assistants from those schools has left to take over a big 6 program? I know Duke has had 3 leave for big 6 jobs with very limited success, two of which are no longer coaching big 6 programs. Flordia had 1 guy go to Clemson and that did not work and 1 guy that went to VCU that worked out pretty well. Michigan St. had Crean go to Marquette which was not a big 6 program at the time.

My point was that Xavier is not a big enough name program yet to have University's from big money University's plucking their assistant coaches. We know that Pat is a good coach and would be a fantastic head coach, but most people doing the searches for these big University's have too big of ego's to take an assistant from Xavier University. Not to mention half the battle in hiring a new coach is being able to excite the boosters and fan bases of that University. Pat Kelsey would not do it for them.

[moss2k]

update: http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/04/07/coaching_tidbits;_early_entries;_my_early,_early_p reseason_top_25

looks like Kelsey is still in play. Hope we can pull the trigger soon on a coach.

[BandAid]

Dino Gaudio to Charlotte.

[moss2k]

Dino Gaudio to Charlotte.

no thanks, he'd have less talent here. he couldn't do anything last year and had 3 future 1st round NBA picks.

[Norman Dale]

No way Band aid it would be way too emotional for Gaudio to have to face X 2 or possibly 3 times in the same season I just don't think he could handle it.

[kyxu]

update: http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/04/07/coaching_tidbits;_early_entries;_my_early,_early_p reseason_top_25

looks like Kelsey is still in play. Hope we can pull the trigger soon on a coach.

Wow, you Charlotte fans must really have a hard-on for Pat Kelsey.

[moss2k]

Wow, you Charlotte fans must really have a hard-on for Pat Kelsey.

Personally he's my favorite candidate, however Alan Major (OSU) will be on campus tomorrow. Seems as if he's the front runner as of right now.

[Masterofreality]

How's this for a potential shocker:

From Jim Utter, Charlotte Observer via Twitter:

"Ohio State assistant coach Alan Major expected on Charlotte campus for a visit on Thursday."
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

"Ohio State assistant coach Alan Major was also interviewed for Charlotte 49ers job during FInal Four weekend in Indy."
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

[Xman95]

How's this for a potential shocker:

From Jim Utter, Charlotte Observer via Twitter:

"Ohio State assistant coach Alan Major expected on Charlotte campus for a visit on Thursday."
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

"Ohio State assistant coach Alan Major was also interviewed for Charlotte 49ers job during FInal Four weekend in Indy."
about 2 hours ago via TweetDeck

I think Major has been mentioned quite a bit for the Charlotte gig. Works for me!

[thefortyniner]

Wow, you Charlotte fans must really have a hard-on for Pat Kelsey.

Like I've said before, his track record as a marketer is much more impressive to me than his record as a coach... we need a guy that can convince this city that there is good basketball outside of the ACC in their own backyard.

[Masterofreality]

Maybe Pat Kelsey told Charlotte no....

....and maybe Pat Kelsey has more regard for the opinions and wishes of his family than some other guys may have.

[Muskie]

Like I've said before, his track record as a marketer is much more impressive to me than his record as a coach... we need a guy that can convince this city that there is good basketball outside of the ACC in their own backyard.

I've been posting over at ninernation. It seems that some people have decided that:

1. Coach Kelsey isn't good enough;
or
2. That he didn't interview well.

At any rate, I believe the next coach of Charlotte will be from Ohio, but not from X.

[X-band '01]

You thinking John Groce?

I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess it ain't YTG.

[Muskie]

You thinking John Groce?

I'm just going to go out on a limb and guess it ain't YTG.

I'm thinking a former XU Assistant (frankly I forgot he was here) and current OSU assistant.

[moss2k]

I've been posting over at ninernation. It seems that some people have decided that:

1. Coach Kelsey isn't good enough;
or
2. That he didn't interview well.

At any rate, I believe the next coach of Charlotte will be from Ohio, but not from X.

Most of us would prefer Kelsey, just seems like he was our frontrunner and now he's out on the recruiting trail w/ Mack. Not adding up, so we're assuming something didn't go well in his favor during the interview. Or maybe he thought we wouldn't be a good fit. We may never know.

[PMI]

Most of us would prefer Kelsey, just seems like he was our frontrunner and now he's out on the recruiting trail w/ Mack. Not adding up, so we're assuming something didn't go well in his favor during the interview. Or maybe he thought we wouldn't be a good fit. We may never know.

I don't know any more than you provided here, but knowing how hard a worker Kelsey is I couldn't see him stopping his recruiting for X until he officially took a job somewhere else. You may know something more but being on the recruiting trail with Mack should not be looked at as a negative sign for Charlotte fans IMO. He doesn't strike me as the type who would just chill and kick it while waiting for something to become official. All that said, I hope his interview did go horribly and he deeply insulted the AD and President, effectively taking him out of contention for the job and keeping up the good work right where he is.

[moss2k]

I don't know any more than you provided here, but knowing how hard a worker Kelsey is I couldn't see him stopping his recruiting for X until he officially took a job somewhere else. You may know something more but being on the recruiting trail with Mack should not be looked at as a negative sign for Charlotte fans IMO. He doesn't strike me as the type who would just chill and kick it while waiting for something to become official. All that said, I hope his interview did go horribly and he deeply insulted the AD and President, effectively taking him out of contention for the job and keeping up the good work right where he is.

Haha, good to know. I'll pass this along on our board. I hope he didn't tank it :D

[xavierj]

Guys Pat Kelsey just will not be the next coach at Charlotte. You might as well move on. Looks like it indeed will be Alan Major.

[Xman95]

Guys Pat Kelsey just will not be the next coach at Charlotte. You might as well move on. Looks like it indeed will be Alan Major.

Seems like a Major Disappointment for some 49er fans!

[moss2k]

Seems like a Major Disappointment for some 49er fans!

I see what you did there. It will be hard to be disappointed with such a Major signing.

[Masterofreality]

Alan Major.

Plus this from CMack's Tweet:

"Me and Kels hitting the trail. Need more Muskies for the future. Packing the car like a family vacation. Here we goooo... "
about 6 hours ago via mobile web

Kels and Chris are going recruiting. Pretty good indication that Pat is going to be around.

[Xman95]

I see what you did there. It will be hard to be disappointed with such a Major signing.

Pretty freaking brilliant, huh? Took me a long time to come up with that one!

[_LH]

I really think UNCC is making a poor decision by attempting to hire an assistant coach from outside of their program as their next head coach. They should be looking at candidates with HC experience like John Groce or Brad Brownell.

[moss2k]

I really think UNCC is making a poor decision by attempting to hire an assistant coach from outside of their program as their next head coach. They should be looking at candidates with HC experience like John Groce or Brad Brownell.

Charlotte has fired it's entire staff, except for the Dir of Basketball Ops. No one to hire from internally. We wanted a clean slate to start with, so we are where we are.

Who knows, maybe we reached out to Groce and Brownell and they weren't interested.

[moss2k]

several of our posters are reporting that Kelsey visited our campus this week as well. Maybe we're still weighing out our options.

[Masterofreality]

several of our posters are reporting that Kelsey visited our campus this week as well. Maybe we're still weighing out our options.

....Kels only reason to visit was to steal Chris Braswell.

[Xman95]

I have a feeling that Mack wouldn't be bringing Kelsey along with him on a recruiting trip if he thought Kelsey would be coaching another conference team next year. And, being that it seems they have a pretty solid relationship, I would think Kelsey has been very honest and upfront with him. I could be wrong, but I just get the feeling that PK isn't going to Charlotte. Of course I thought everyone would vote for a lifetime ban of Fawkes. So...

[moss2k]

several on our board are now posting Kelsey turned us down. Goodman just posted this in his blog:

http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/04/08/roundup:_daily_ongoings


- Ohio State’s Alan Major and Texas’ Russ Springmann, according to sources, are in good shape now at Charlotte. Xavier’s Pat Kelsey is still in the mix – as is Kansas assistant Joe Dooley.

[_LH]

Charlotte has fired it's entire staff, except for the Dir of Basketball Ops. No one to hire from internally. We wanted a clean slate to start with, so we are where we are.

Who knows, maybe we reached out to Groce and Brownell and they weren't interested.

I wasn't saying UNCC should promote an assistant but they certainly should not hire an assistant from anywhere but their own program as their next head coach. I can't imagine Brownell would want to stay in the Horizon league if he was offered the head job at UNCC.

[moss2k]

part of the reason we aren't looking at other head coaches could just come down to $$$. If Lutz doesn't get another gig, we owe him $$$. We would have to buyout a HC from their current position, then pay that person prob $700k or so. I just don't see it happening, but I also didn't see us getting rid of Bobby b/c of the $$$.

[DC Muskie]

I think Alan Major is a bad ass. Just look at him.

[moss2k]

our beat writer just stated on our board that news could come today or tomorrow. leads me to believe Major is our guy, and you guys will keep Kelsey for the time being.

[moss2k]

now our writer just tweeted:


Charlotte 49ers coaching job apparently belongs to Ohio State assistant coach Alan Major if he wants it.

[xavierj]

now our writer just tweeted:

Shocking.

[Masterofreality]

Here you go!

jim_utter@SeanMFlynn http://bit.ly/caRAq9

Charlotte 49ers hire Ohio State assistant Alan Major as men's basketball coach: http://bit.ly/caRAq9
12 minutes ago via TweetDeck

Ohio State assistant coach Alan Major has accepted an offer Thursday to become the new head men's basketball coach with the Charlotte 49ers. 29 minutes ago via TweetDeck

[X-Fan]

How "cute". They announced the hire on 4/9 (get it, 49ers).

That's "special".

Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;-)