Kevin Parrom

[Steve A]

I don't feel so bad about missing out on this kid anymore, from ESPN:

Arizona freshman Kevin Parrom has now ruffled feathers at Arizona State in his first two rivalry games. Last month, there was the hard intentional foul Parrom committed on Ty Abbott, who was going up for a layup.

In the rematch tonight, Parrom made his presence felt again, according to the East Valley Tribune:

As the final buzzer was about to sound in Arizona State’s 73-69 victory on Sunday, ASU senior point guard Derek Glasser was dribbling out the clock and threw the ball into the air. Parrom appeared to put a forearm into Glasser’s chest.

Glasser went after Parrom while both team formed the postgame hand-shake line, but was restrained by ASU coaches. Arizona coach Sean Miller immediately sent Parrom to the locker room while the two team’s shook hands.

After the game, Miller apologized to Glasser and ASU coach Herb Sendek.

Arizona State is now only a half-game out behind first-place Cal in the standings, and the Sun Devils could turn into Wildcat fans for a day on Thursday. An Arizona win at Cal combined with an Arizona State win at Stanford would give the Sun Devils sole possession atop the Pac-10 heading into a potential showdown between the Sun Devils and Golden Bears on Saturday afternoon at Haas Pavilion.

[sash19]

I watched the game and that article makes it WAY more than it was. Throughout the whole game, Glasser was pushing off with his forearm to keep defenders away. It was not a simple push off either, he was extending his arm and alot of times near the head of the defender. At the end of the game the guy threw the ball up in the air like you would if you won the NCAA tourney and Kevin shoved him in the chest with his forearm. It was not needed and not smart but nowhere near what the article makes it sounds.

Kevin plays hard and tough just like TuTu. That is the NYC in them. It was stupid of Kevin to do it yet not anywhere near a reason to not want the kid. Most every team in the country would want a hard nosed kid who plays tough and stands up for his team and teammates. The media is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[waggy]

Parrom is already a contributor. I think that says a lot considering is lost about 6 weeks due to injury. He would have helped X this year and he's going to a be great player for them.

[XUOHTX]

This just sounds like normal rivalry shenanigans. It is no worse than anything that happens during the Crosstown Shootout.

[bobbiemcgee]

He scores 4 pts. and 4 rebs a game, hardly a impact guy.

[BandAid]

He is one of those guys you would like on your team, but hate if he is your rival.

[Xpectations]

He scores 4 pts. and 4 rebs a game, hardly a impact guy.

He's been at 5.4 ppg, 5.5 rpg and 2.1 apg since he began playing 20 minutes per game (he played more limited minutes when he first returned from the injury). That's not bad for a true freshman who missed the first 10 games of the season.

One thing that really stands out to me is how poorly he has shot the ball from the field (35%) and from behind the arc (14%). I expect freshmen to struggle more than others, but he's really struggling quite a bit with his shot.

The other thing that really stands out is that he has been a human hack machine. He has commited 4 or 5 fouls in 9 of his past 13 games (those are the games in which he has played 15 minutes or more). That's a problematic stat, especially for a guard/wing.

[Masterofreality]

He's been at 5.4 ppg, 5.5 rpg and 2.1 apg since he began playing 20 minutes per game (he played more limited minutes when he first returned from the injury). That's not bad for a true freshman who missed the first 10 games of the season.

One thing that really stands out to me is how poorly he has shot the ball from the field (35%) and from behind the arc (14%). I expect freshmen to struggle more than others, but he's really struggling quite a bit with his shot.

The other thing that really stands out is that he has been a human hack machine. He has commited 4 or 5 fouls in 9 of his past 13 games (those are the games in which he has played 15 minutes or more). That's a problematic stat, especially for a guard/wing.

That's because he's not really a college guard, but has to play that position. It will be interesting to see where he lands and if he has the work ethic to develop a shot. It's almost like he was being recruited here to be a CJ Anderson clone. An undersized forward and a underskilled guard. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Anyway, I'm not really missing him after seeing what he does so far- especially with the guys coming in for next year and how The Sherriff has developed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I watched the game and that article makes it WAY more than it was. Throughout the whole game, Glasser was pushing off with his forearm to keep defenders away. It was not a simple push off either, he was extending his arm and alot of times near the head of the defender. At the end of the game the guy threw the ball up in the air like you would if you won the NCAA tourney and Kevin shoved him in the chest with his forearm. It was not needed and not smart but nowhere near what the article makes it sounds.

Kevin plays hard and tough just like TuTu. That is the NYC in them. It was stupid of Kevin to do it yet not anywhere near a reason to not want the kid. Most every team in the country would want a hard nosed kid who plays tough and stands up for his team and teammates. The media is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Isnt that exactly what the article made it sound like?

[DC Muskie]

I watched the game and that article makes it WAY more than it was. Throughout the whole game, Glasser was pushing off with his forearm to keep defenders away. It was not a simple push off either, he was extending his arm and alot of times near the head of the defender. At the end of the game the guy threw the ball up in the air like you would if you won the NCAA tourney and Kevin shoved him in the chest with his forearm. It was not needed and not smart but nowhere near what the article makes it sounds.

Kevin plays hard and tough just like TuTu. That is the NYC in them. It was stupid of Kevin to do it yet not anywhere near a reason to not want the kid. Most every team in the country would want a hard nosed kid who plays tough and stands up for his team and teammates. The media is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

You and I must have watched another game.

I'm not completely shocked you would bring up Glasser's play during the game as a way to deflect Parrom's behavior at the end. And that pass was made because if you actually watched the game, Arizona was fouling to try and extend. There was about four seconds and Glasser threw the ball down the court. If that was a celebratory throw, then we need to work with the kid on how to celebrate. And even if you think it was a celebratory throw, who cares? It's a rival game that they pretty much dominated. Glasser is a senior winning on his opponents home floor for the last time.

Have you noticed that our guards push off and extend their arms as well? Have you noticed that they push off AFTER they leave the defender? Heck Tutu was called for a foul a few times because of it lately. I'm pretty sure Cheeks can't move the ball past half court without shoving his arm at a guy. It happens in basketball. Glasser is a tough kid as well. Former walk-on, starter, almost led them to a PAC 10 tournament win last year.

Having said all of that, I still want Parrom. The kid is very talented, but yet very immature. When's the last time you saw a scrum right before the hand shake line? Glasser didn't cause that. The tough freshmen kid from NYC did, like they have the monopoly on toughness or something. Parrom has a very nice game, but he's going to have to grow up and quickly remove this type of behavior. I'm all for tough play, hard fouls, and that stuff. But it ends when the game is over. And I don't think you bring up the opponents play, which is pretty much typical of any college point guard, as some sort of justification as to why when the game is over that Parrom decides to put his fore arm into the guy's chest.

[xnatic03]

It would have been nice to have Parrom this year due to the fact that we don't have a true '3'; however, this would have been at the expense of either Jay Canty or Justin Martin, and judging by both of their respective abilities, I would rather have them coming in next year then Parrom right now. Miller needed the players at Arizona, and it helped us land a better recruiting class. I think it worked out for both parties involved quite nicely.

[Masterofreality]

It would have been nice to have Parrom this year due to the fact that we don't have a true '3'; however, this would have been at the expense of either Jay Canty or Justin Martin, and judging by both of their respective abilities, I would rather have them coming in next year then Parrom right now. Miller needed the players at Arizona, and it helped us land a better recruiting class. I think it worked out for both parties involved quite nicely.

Who would you rather have playing a 3- Parrom or Dante? I'll take Dante. Dante can shoot and defend.

Parrom was always advertised as more of a 4, I thought.

[xnatic03]

I would definitely rather have Dante, no doubt about it. I think it worked out better for Xavier all around because either Justin Martin or Jay Canty would not be coming to Xavier if Parrom was still in the fold, and they are the 2 highest rated recruits in next year's class.

[sash19]

You and I must have watched another game.

I'm not completely shocked you would bring up Glasser's play during the game as a way to deflect Parrom's behavior at the end. And that pass was made because if you actually watched the game, Arizona was fouling to try and extend. There was about four seconds and Glasser threw the ball down the court. If that was a celebratory throw, then we need to work with the kid on how to celebrate. And even if you think it was a celebratory throw, who cares? It's a rival game that they pretty much dominated. Glasser is a senior winning on his opponents home floor for the last time.

Have you noticed that our guards push off and extend their arms as well? Have you noticed that they push off AFTER they leave the defender? Heck Tutu was called for a foul a few times because of it lately. I'm pretty sure Cheeks can't move the ball past half court without shoving his arm at a guy. It happens in basketball. Glasser is a tough kid as well. Former walk-on, starter, almost led them to a PAC 10 tournament win last year.

Having said all of that, I still want Parrom. The kid is very talented, but yet very immature. When's the last time you saw a scrum right before the hand shake line? Glasser didn't cause that. The tough freshmen kid from NYC did, like they have the monopoly on toughness or something. Parrom has a very nice game, but he's going to have to grow up and quickly remove this type of behavior. I'm all for tough play, hard fouls, and that stuff. But it ends when the game is over. And I don't think you bring up the opponents play, which is pretty much typical of any college point guard, as some sort of justification as to why when the game is over that Parrom decides to put his fore arm into the guy's chest.

Maybe you need to read without bias then....I NEVER said Kevin's shove/forearm was ok. It wasnt/isnt. I was also saying that the same type of play happened throughout the course of the WHOLE game not just at the final horn. More saying that the same acts occurred in the course of play yet still not saying Kevin's act was ok. I was saying however that he is not the horrible, wretchid person that the media tried to make him out to be.

That is all I am saying here. Kevin made a bad mistake and should get punished for it. However in no way, shape or form is it something HORRIBLE like it being made of it. He didnt punch the guy, take him out on a clear breakaway, etc. He shoved his forearm in the kids chest in the heat of the moment and made a stupid mistake. My comment is not intended to defend the act but more to say that the act was not worth all the "hype" or "hate" that is thrown the kids way as a result. Kevin has a past and that is what caused this to be blown up more than it needed. Was the act wrong-yes, did Sean handle it properly-yes, should Kevin get some form of punishment-yes but is Kevin the devil or thug that the media immediately made him-at this time, no. That was my comments gist, to defend the kid as a kid not for his act.

[Xman95]

He didnt punch the guy

Of course he didn't...the guy wasn't his coach.

[Xman95]

take him out on a clear breakaway, etc.

No, that happened in the first game against ASU.

(Sash, I'm just giving you grief. I think Parrom has a solid game and will be a nice player for 'zona. But he does need to get his emotions under control and mature a bit.)

[sash19]

95:

Those two events are the "history" that I was referring too. In the Antiqua case, it was wrong yet there were many different accounts of the event. Either way, you NEVER do that. As for the hard foul, Kev made a simple hard play worse by coining his "No Easy Buckets" phrase and rubbing it in via Twitter. Those types of actions, while wrong (the punch) or brash (no easy buckets) are what caused this to be blown out of proportion. Kev f'ed up no question. Just bugged me with the attack on him as a kid by people (media) who should never live in a glass house.....

[Xman95]

(media) who should never live in a glass house.....

Yep, because Billy Joel might get you!:)

http://thekansascitypost.com/blog_images/billyjoel_glasshouses.jpg

[DC Muskie]

Sash-

First off, please don't ever tell me I'm biased when it comes to you regarding Arizona basketball. That's pretty laughable.

The article in reference is from ESPN, right? Was the word "horrible" written in that statement? Has Kevin not ruffled some feathers in the two games against ASU? He had an intentional foul in the first game, and then an incident at the end of the second. I think that is pretty spot on actually, don't you? You're right it's not horrible, but then again, you're the only one using the word horrible.

You talk about not defending Parrom's act, while at the same time defending his act. Why bring up Glasser's play at all? Heck you even said that the long pass to other end of court as the game ended was a gesture likened to winning a tournament game. Why bring that up? What does that have to do with Parrom putting a forearm into the guy after the buzzer sounded?

It was obvious that this was a little more then shoving match, Sean sent him to the locker room and apologized.

The kid has a past, and rightly or wrongly he is known for punching a coach. Now in a rivalry he has an intentional foul and an incident after a game. That's starting to become a pattern don't you think? A small one, but one none the less. You dismiss it as a tough NYC kid, and the media made more of it then it should. But it would have never been mentioned if HE didn't do these things. Am I right on that?

Kids need to grow up. And I hope for his sake he does.

[sash19]

Whatever dude. Have your opinion and I will have mine. Does it really matter? Nope.....

And no, I was not referring just to the ESPN article. The kid needs to grow up yes but is he a horrible kid no.

You feel you want to discuss it more then feel free. You can feel free to email me (sash19@aol.com) or message me on here.

[DC Muskie]

Whatever dude. Have your opinion and I will have mine. Does it really matter? Nope....

This is what I love. Of course it doesn't matter, but then gain 99.9% of what is written here doesn't matter.

If you don't want to discuss something, then don't write. It seems whenever you tire of a subject, you want me to write you an email or something. I like you Sash, I do, but I don't need to write you off line.

I look forward to the next highly discussed topic when it comes to Arizona basketball.

[sash19]

DC:

Its more along the lines of the fact that I will post what I want just like you. It is also that I have no desire to sit here and go back and forth with you in a pissing match. Never will. You seem to always want to challenge anything said by me in relation to Sean or Arizona so I choose to not bother with it. Like I have always said when you try to start shit in a post with me-you have your thoughts and me mine. Thats what makes it a message board. However, just because you want to be argumentative with your thoughts regarding my thoughts doesnt mean shit to me. I dont care what you post in a sense that you have some good thoughts and some that I dont agree with same as you do with me.

[GoMuskies]

It is also that I have no desire to sit here and go back and forth with you in a pissing match.

Too late.

[DC Muskie]

I don't try to start shit with you at all sash. I think what I brought up in this thread and threads in the past about subject matter concerning Arizona basketball have been pretty sound and well argued. I'm not baiting you or anything. I never start a thread seeking out your comments and I certainly don't start a thread slamming Arizona basketball, whether it's the players, fans or your very good friend Sean Miller.

I was interested in this tread and actually disagreed with the guy who stated he was glad we didn't Parrom. But what I really didn't agree with was your assessment that somehow Kevin got caught up in the moment and he was just being a tough NYC kid. You brought another player's play as to paint the picture of why Kevin responded the way he did. Then you went off on some media's accounts that he is horrible. I've never seen any reference, then again I'm not a big of fan of Arizona basketball as you are. Actually, I'm not a fan at all.

All I'm saying is I wanted to know why you brought up ASU's play in describing Kevin's action at the end of the game. I'm still not sure who has called him horrible.

Let me just put it this way...if you are going to be the great defender of all things Arizona basketball here, then this is where these conversations will take place. You want to describe the play of an Arizona opponent as something out of the ordinary that I happened to watch, I'm going to comment. I'm not sure who else on this board would go out of their way to defend Parrom, other than you. If there are others who hold the same opinion as devoted as you do, I haven't seen them.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

Sash-

First off, please don't ever tell me I'm biased when it comes to you regarding Arizona basketball. That's pretty laughable.

The article in reference is from ESPN, right? Was the word "horrible" written in that statement? Has Kevin not ruffled some feathers in the two games against ASU? He had an intentional foul in the first game, and then an incident at the end of the second. I think that is pretty spot on actually, don't you? You're right it's not horrible, but then again, you're the only one using the word horrible.

You talk about not defending Parrom's act, while at the same time defending his act. Why bring up Glasser's play at all? Heck you even said that the long pass to other end of court as the game ended was a gesture likened to winning a tournament game. Why bring that up? What does that have to do with Parrom putting a forearm into the guy after the buzzer sounded?

It was obvious that this was a little more then shoving match, Sean sent him to the locker room and apologized.

The kid has a past, and rightly or wrongly he is known for punching a coach. Now in a rivalry he has an intentional foul and an incident after a game. That's starting to become a pattern don't you think? A small one, but one none the less. You dismiss it as a tough NYC kid, and the media made more of it then it should. But it would have never been mentioned if HE didn't do these things. Am I right on that?

Kids need to grow up. And I hope for his sake he does.

Not that I don't love this back and forth but I'm gonna have to put my 2 cents in.

Of course you have a bias to Arizona DC! And yes I know Sash is buddies with Sean so I know he is clearly biased as well.

Even if you don't loathe Sean or Arizona the reason anyone would have a problem with Kevin is because he isn't a Muskie. All you have to do is look at TuTu. If you watch him close enough he gives forearms all the time when play is suspended for whatever reason. Some are justified, some aren't, but does anyone here care? Hell no, he's our boy who refuses to back down from anyone, it's awesome. It's a mindset that really helps in college basketball. Imagine if Kenny played with that attitude all the time, he'd be dominate like he is starting to show.

In the end 90% of the people on here have a bias when it comes to Sean whether they admit it or not, so anything that comes affiliated with him will not be accepted. It's just the truth. Including Kevin's minor forearm at the end of the game against a heated rival.

Remember Kenny head-butting Gates?(which was so awesome and more than acceptable to me haha)

[bobbiemcgee]

Still waiting for the Poster of Kenny headbutting Nancy....should sell thousands.

[Xman95]

Still waiting for the Poster of Kenny headbutting Nancy....should sell thousands.

Trust me, 99% of college basketball fans were or would be in Kenny's corner on that one. The other 1% is made up UC fans.

[BandAid]

Still waiting for the Poster of Kenny headbutting Nancy....should sell thousands.

I would buy it. I don't know where I would put it though...