Gonzaga in trouble

[Espe]

Down 5 to LMU with 1:50 left

[AviatorX]

Zags go down.

[eXdrummer]

Another bad loss. Time to start that overrated debate back up?

[Masterofreality]

The sham of Gone-zaga is further exposed..

...Losing to #210 Loyola Marymount.

The media slobbering over that little program is disgusting. I would really like to see what their record would have been playing Xavier's schedule this year.

They don't have a game left against a team with an RPI of less than 200.

[danaandvictory]

MOR gloating about a Gonzaga loss? Surely you jest.

[kyxu]

Not that I'm anti-Gonzaga, but I have the same issue with Butler. They were making much the other day of the Bulldogs' 16th-straight win, but...c'mon. Who else from the Horizon League is even sniffing the faintest notion of going to the Tourney?

I'd take a team like Richmond over Butler in a heartbeat.

[X Factor]

The sham of Gone-zaga is further exposed..

...Losing to #210 Loyola Marymount.

The media slobbering over that little program is disgusting. I would really like to see what their record would have been playing Xavier's schedule this year.

They don't have a game left against a team with an RPI of less than 200.

Don't forget about their loss to San Fransisco, RPI #205, just a couple of weeks ago.

But, they'll somehow still be ranked in the Top 20 come next week.

[GoMuskies]

Bo Kimble and Per Stumer must have absolutely gone off in this one.

[rhyno2110]

Look at this:

"The victory was the Lions' first over a ranked team since the 1990 NCAA tournament, when they defeated Alabama in the West Regional semifinals."

With the talent Gonzaga has, how in the hell do they lose to loyola marymount?

Can't wait to blow the Zags out of their own gym next year.

[muskiefan82]

Bo Kimble and Per Stumer must have absolutely gone off in this one.

Thanks for bringing back the memories. Man, those guys were good. Just not good enough to beat X.

[Masterofreality]

Bo Kimble and Per Stumer must have absolutely gone off in this one.


Thanks for bringing back the memories. Man, those guys were good. Just not good enough to beat X.

And don't forget about the late Hank Gathers.

That 115-111 overtime game at the Gardens is one that is in the archives as one of the great Xavier games of all time. I still will pull out that tape and watch it again. 20 years old now and still a classic. Ty Hill, Derek Strong, Jumpin' Jamal and Pete vs. Paul Westhead and the above named guys.

Hard to believe that kids that are now freshmen at XU weren't even born when that game was played. That shows you again how long Xavier has been really good.

And on Gone-zaga. No Top 20 team loses to two sub 200 RPI teams in one season- road, home, conference anything!

[Porkopolis]

I've always been puzzled by the Zag love. Take away one magical year, and we have the far more impressive resume.

[GoMuskies]

I've always been puzzled by the Zag love. Take away one magical year, and we have the far more impressive resume.

Gonzaga has been fantastic in November and December over the years. Xavier has been fantastic in March of late.

You pick.

[Masterofreality]

Gonzaga has been fantastic in November and December over the years. Xavier has been fantastic in March of late.

You pick.

We've been better. For whatever Gawd-awful reason, the media won't prop us and they fall all over the Bulldogs. That is their real nickname, after all. Enough, already with the cute crap.

[kyxu]

We've been better. For whatever Gawd-awful reason, the media won't prop us and they fall all over the Bulldogs. That is their real nickname, after all. Enough, already with the cute crap.

Oh, "Bulldogs" is their mascot. You know who else has that as a mascot? Everyone.

Gonzaga made the Elite Eight in 1999. I believe it's their deepest trek into March. Since then, never further than the Sweet 16. I'd say, overall, Xavier has the more impressive history.

[xubrew]

it may just be my imagination (i am admittedly irrationally supersticious), but every time one of these piss-on-gonzaga threads pops up xavier tends to lose the next game.

just days after the last thread where everyone was taking a piss on gonzaga wound down dayton handed us our asses after thoroughly kicking them. last season we lost to teams like richmond and charlotte shortly after similiar threads popped up. if we lose to charlotte, i'm blaming it on this thread.

i read the gonzaga board at times. they don't seem to follow us nearly as intently as a lot of people here follow them. they also don't make it a point to bring up every single loss. in a jealous relationship it's very easy to identify who the jealous one is....only in this case there is no relationship. i don't see the point. the fact that we always seem to lose around the time a piss on gonzaga thread appears makes me like it even less.

then again, i've thrown t-shirts away after i've worn them during a couple of games where we ended up not winning. rationally i know it's stupid, but emotionally i do it anyway. it's kind of like these types of threads. i know these threads aren't causing us to lose, but they always seem to lose at about the time these start popping up.

[muskiefan82]

Here is why I like Gonzaga...

It seems that when the media talk about Gonzaga, and they do like to talk about Gonzaga, the names of Memphis, Butler and Xavier seem to come up quite often and I am always happy to see the name of my team mentioned as one of "the elite non-Big 6" teams in the country.

If it takes a fascination with Gonzaga for that to happen, so be it. Keep winning Gonzaga. It just helps Xavier.

[GoMuskies]

Look at this:

"The victory was the Lions' first over a ranked team since the 1990 NCAA tournament, when they defeated Alabama in the West Regional semifinals."


Here's a fun fact: Xavier's second round NCAA Tournament win over a Georgetown squad with a Hall of Fame Coach and two centers that would go on to have borderline Hall of Fame NBA careers was not even the most notable win notched that day. That is because LMU, playing without fallen star Hank Gathers pulverised defending national champs Michigan 149-115 that same day behind 41 points from Jeff Fryer (11-15 from 3) and 37 points from Bo Kimble (who was much less efficient). The two teams combined to shoot 174 shots (including 53 3s). Michigan managed to lose by 44 points despite shoot 52.9% from the field.

[Xman95]

Michigan managed to lose by 44 points despite shoot 52.9% from the field.

That is insane!!

[blobfan]

My theory about all the Ganzaga media love is that it's just a fun name to say. Seriously. Say it out loud: Xavier, Butler, Memphis, Gazaga. Which one is more fun to say? Even the abbreviation "'zags" is fun to say. I think that's why their name comes up so often during discussions about good teams from non BCS conferences.

Ours comes pretty close in the 'fun to say' category but I think a lot of the announcers get scared by the Xaver/Eggsavier challenge.

[bjf123]

MOR gloating about a Gonzaga loss? Surely you jest.He is serious, and don't call him Shirley. :D

[Strange Brew]

He is serious, and don't call him Shirley. :D

roger, Roger. What's your vector Victor? Classic.:D

[Masterofreality]

My theory about all the Ganzaga media love is that it's just a fun name to say. Seriously. Say it out loud: Xavier, Butler, Memphis, Gazaga. Which one is more fun to say? Even the abbreviation "'zags" is fun to say. I think that's why their name comes up so often during discussions about good teams from non BCS conferences.

Ours comes pretty close in the 'fun to say' category but I think a lot of the announcers get scared by the Xaver/Eggsavier challenge.

Hence. my theory about marketing, as I've posted before.

Change Xavier's name spelling to Zavier. Why?

-No confusion how it should be pronounced.
-We'll have a monopoly on Division 1 schools that start with the letter Z.
-We can change our nickname to Zagnuts and have a national advertising tie in with a candy bar. Kids will love it and the alliteration is awesome. We'll also lay claim to that stupid "Zag" tag. Or, just change our nickname to Zebras and be the only school with that nickname.

The Musketeer will have to be replaced by a giant candy wrapper, lumbering 4 legged animal or a composite inflatable rendition of John Cahill. So what? Zavier would then take over the top spot in the "cute" scale.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! :rolleyes:

[joebba]

Gonzaga is currently 13 on AP an 9 on Coaches poll. Both way too high. I expect them to drop on the next polls.

They always seem to get 6-7 "style points" in their ranking. Just wait til tourney time when X goes deeper in the dance then they do.

[Masterofreality]

Everyone was slobbering all over Gone-zaga for their "quality" win at Illinois.

Uh, Illinois is 72 in the current RPI. Xavier beats Florida at their place who is currently #57 and we can't even pull a single poll vote.

BTW. Oh-ho-ho State is presently 43 in the RPI. People will blame that on Turner being hurt. Maybe, but still, with their pastry cart schedule, I have to say that they have a poll position that is suspect.

[PMI]

I got way too into it in another thread but I'll make the main points. Gonzaga is vastly overrated as a program (one of the MOST overrated) and usually finishes off lower than where they start. They are a fraud in a fraudulent conference with a fraudulent image as one of the great college basketball programs in America. They are a good program, but not nearly as special as people think, and don't deserved to be regarded as highly as Xavier, period.

[golfitup]

I got way too into it in another thread but I'll make the main points. Gonzaga is vastly overrated as a program (one of the MOST overrated) and usually finishes off lower than where they start. They are a fraud in a fraudulent conference with a fraudulent image as one of the great college basketball programs in America. They are a good program, but not nearly as special as people think, and don't deserved to be regarded as highly as Xavier, period.

The message board wars between us and them before we play the zags next year should be high comedy.

[danaandvictory]

Gonzaga is vastly overrated as a program (one of the MOST overrated) and usually finishes off lower than where they start.

I agree with everything in your post except that I would add that the main reason why Gonzaga gets overrated in the polls is that their conference is so bad. They usually will get on an 11 in 12 type run in January while all the big boys are dropping tough conference games and shoot up the rankings as a result.

I think they get a lot of undeserved media love, but I'm still not sure why it's their fault. Seems like a lot of people on this message board literally hate the Gonzaga program when it's ESPN, Nike, and the media at large that ought to be the target of scorn. They aren't Ohio State scheduling Presbyterian fourteen times and skating by on name recognition, they play a rigorous out-of-conference slate to make up for a bad conference. That ought to be a familiar state of affairs for XU fans.

Those of us that remember the MCC days, where even dominant XU teams always got ambushed once or twice on the road by horrible opponents ought to have some perspective when Gonzaga loses to garbage like USF and LMU.

[PMI]

The message board wars between us and them before we play the zags next year should be high comedy.

I don't usually get too into other teams' message boards (I'm enough of a dork for spending so much time on one) but I agree that that should be very entertaining and I will gladly be one of the anti-fake Gonzaga, shit-talking crusaders. I'm sure MOR will join me in battle.


I agree with everything in your post except that I would add that the main reason why Gonzaga gets overrated in the polls is that their conference is so bad. They usually will get on an 11 in 12 type run in January while all the big boys are dropping tough conference games and shoot up the rankings as a result.

I think they get a lot of undeserved media love, but I'm still not sure why it's their fault. Seems like a lot of people on this message board literally hate the Gonzaga program when it's ESPN, Nike, and the media at large that ought to be the target of scorn. They aren't Ohio State scheduling Presbyterian fourteen times, they play a rigorous out-of-conference slate to make up for a bad conference. That ought to be a familiar state of affairs for XU fans.

Those of us that remember the MCC days, where even dominant XU teams always got ambushed once or twice on the road by horrible opponents ought to have some perspective when Gonzaga loses to garbage like USF and LMU.

Your point is well-taken. My hate really isn't aimed at Gonzaga intentionally but rather at those who put them up there. I said in the other thread that it isn't their fault, but they are overrated. The system is what it is (as dumb as it is) so once you get in, you can keep beating up on weaklings and climb up further and further. They are beneficiaries of the system, yet they still find ways to finish the season lower than where they started. That's part of where my lack of respect (relative to the popular perception) for the program comes.

I really don't know any fake Gonzaga fans and don't know how they are. I'm willing to guess that if we never faced Adam Morrison a few years ago I probably wouldn't hate them at all, but I'd still feel they were overrated.

[waggy]

Nice post Cheese.

Maybe the media would give Xavier more love if it's internet messageboard personalities were more lovable.

[danaandvictory]

I really don't know any fake Gonzaga fans and don't know how they are. I'm willing to guess that if we never faced Adam Morrison a few years ago I probably wouldn't hate them at all, but I'd still feel they were overrated.

I definitely admit I have a soft spot for them. I used to live out west and the 9:00 PST WCC games were must-see TV, especially when San Diego and St. Mary's were also pretty good. I also like their style of play. It just seems like a bizarre target of scorn from XU fans when there are so many douchey fanbases (UC, OSU, Dayton, Kentucky) within spitting distance.

[Masterofreality]

I don't usually get too into other teams' message boards (I'm enough of a dork for spending so much time on one) but I agree that that should be very entertaining and I will gladly be one of the anti-fake Gonzaga, shit-talking crusaders. I'm sure MOR will join me in battle.

I'm right there with ya' Brother!

Your point is well-taken. My hate really isn't aimed at Gonzaga intentionally but rather at those who put them up there. I said in the other thread that it isn't their fault, but they are overrated. The system is what it is (as dumb as it is) so once you get in, you can keep beating up on weaklings and climb up further and further. They are beneficiaries of the system, yet they still find ways to finish the season lower than where they started. That's part of where my lack of respect (relative to the popular perception) for the program comes.

I really don't know any fake Gonzaga fans and don't know how they are. I'm willing to guess that if we never faced Adam Morrison a few years ago I probably wouldn't hate them at all, but I'd still feel they were overrated.

My only problem is that Xavier has been on the scene longer and stronger but has never ever gotten the same breaks from the media that Gone-zaga has. Never.

Partly it comes from B-Espn. PMI, you would know better than anyone, but I have to believe that my perception of the B-Espn honks consciously demeaning or worse ignoring Xavier and the A-10 is because we are direct competition to their branded product the Big Greased. So, if they want to pump a smaller program up, they'll choose Butler and Gone-zaga because they are no threat to their exalted league that they cover every damn game for.

Gone-zaga Bulldogs. Undeserved recognition since 2000. Xavier Musketeers. Continued excellence since 1985.

[X-band '01]

Not that I'm anti-Gonzaga, but I have the same issue with Butler. They were making much the other day of the Bulldogs' 16th-straight win, but...c'mon. Who else from the Horizon League is even sniffing the faintest notion of going to the Tourney?

I'd take a team like Richmond over Butler in a heartbeat.

I don't have any issue with Butler; you can't take a potential 18-0 Horizon League finish for granted. Even Siena couldn't go perfect in a lesser league.

[Snipe]

Nice post Cheese.

Maybe the media would give Xavier more love if it's internet messageboard personalities were more lovable.

What is not to love?

I am the complete package.

[XUOWNSUC]

Not that I'm anti-Gonzaga, but I have the same issue with Butler. They were making much the other day of the Bulldogs' 16th-straight win, but...c'mon. Who else from the Horizon League is even sniffing the faintest notion of going to the Tourney?

I'd take a team like Richmond over Butler in a heartbeat.

Man, if there is one team this year that I really wish X would face in the NCAA tourney, it's Butler. It won't happen but I wish it would. Get them away from Hinkle and beat the living crap out of them.

[kyxu]

I don't have any issue with Butler; you can't take a potential 18-0 Horizon League finish for granted.

Sure you can.

And I think one could argue the difference in quality between the Horizon and the MAAC is negligible.

[muskienick]

it may just be my imagination (i am admittedly irrationally supersticious), but every time one of these piss-on-gonzaga threads pops up xavier tends to lose the next game.

just days after the last thread where everyone was taking a piss on gonzaga wound down dayton handed us our asses after thoroughly kicking them. last season we lost to teams like richmond and charlotte shortly after similiar threads popped up. if we lose to charlotte, i'm blaming it on this thread.

i read the gonzaga board at times. they don't seem to follow us nearly as intently as a lot of people here follow them. they also don't make it a point to bring up every single loss. in a jealous relationship it's very easy to identify who the jealous one is....only in this case there is no relationship. i don't see the point. the fact that we always seem to lose around the time a piss on gonzaga thread appears makes me like it even less.

then again, i've thrown t-shirts away after i've worn them during a couple of games where we ended up not winning. rationally i know it's stupid, but emotionally i do it anyway. it's kind of like these types of threads. i know these threads aren't causing us to lose, but they always seem to lose at about the time these start popping up.

Brew,

Seemingly, you can start wearing those t-shirts again after removing them from the trash pile. Your Xavier-loses-the-game-after-a trash-Gonzaga-thread has been disproven --- and it was even on the road against a contending team!

[xubrew]

brew,

seemingly, you can start wearing those t-shirts again after removing them from the trash pile. Your xavier-loses-the-game-after-a trash-gonzaga-thread has been disproven --- and it was even on the road against a contending team!

yes it has!!! if this continues i think we should begin starting these types of threads up every week!!