Report: Arizona to impose sanctions

[JAPER]

wow! what will happen to our friends? sad story to hear...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4888446

[gladdenguy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....fat raccoon and his family who hates him...good for him. sellout BIOTCH.
Chris Mack forever.

[bobbiemcgee]

Great news...screw az

[XUglow]

Typical though. One coach screws up and a lot of people that had nothing to do with it pay for it.

[gladdenguy]

Typical though. One coach screws up and a lot of people that had nothing to do with it pay for it.

And I love every bit of it. He needs to eat more ice cream and SUCK IT.

[SixFig]

These self imposed "sanctions" are minimal. Like other big time programs Arizona will escape with nothing but a wrist slap.

[Xaveriana]

NCAA rules prohibit institutional representatives or boosters from arranging financial assistance for potential recruits.

I was really hoping Racoon Face did something illegal, not "Loot" Olsen.

http://www.inforum.com/media/full/jpg/2009/10/11/1012-lute.jpg
"Keep it fair Sean, keep it fair."

[mr. zimpher]

These type of infractions deserve the proverbial "death-penalty" in my opinion.

[Juice]

I like how the last two coaches who have left XU have had to face sanctions at their new program. Let that be a warning to you Coach Mack.

[X-band '01]

I was really hoping Racoon Face did something illegal, not "Loot" Olsen.


Bad, bad take. If Miller did something illegal at Arizona, you can sure as hell bet that the NCAA snoops would be looking at Xavier for potential transgressions. I said the same thing when Matta left for Ohio State.

Losing a scholarship isn't as bad as USC missing out on postseason play this year, either.

[BBC 08]

Holy hell, it looks like Miller knew about this before he took the job: link (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12883772/coach-miller-selfsanctions-coming-for-arizona)

[Lamont Sanford]

When I saw this on ESPN's ticker last night as I was watching UC get drilled by ND, I simply laughed and laughed and laughed.

Two good things were happening right before my very eyes.

Screw Dayton too.

[PMI]

Typical though. One coach screws up and a lot of people that had nothing to do with it pay for it.

That's exactly how I see it. I hate the NCAA as an institution for this reason among others. School, program, players, everyone else gets bent over and the coach is always allowed to skip away whistling. That sucks.

[boozehound]

That's exactly how I see it. I hate the NCAA as an institution for this reason among others. School, program, players, everyone else gets bent over and the coach is always allowed to skip away whistling. That sucks.

See: Calipari, John

[xubrew]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....fat raccoon and his family who hates him...good for him. sellout BIOTCH.
Chris Mack forever.

stop and think about this for one small second. how is this even remotely impacting miller?? you're laughing at arizona, when in reality it is arizona that should be laughing.

the rumor is that arizona will have one scholarship reduction, and fewer recruiting visits in the summer. nic wise is the only senior on the roster, and they already have two commitments for next season, both of which are guards. the only person that is really getting screwed here is the 13th player on the team who will end up losing their scholarship. THAT'S who's getting screwed...not miller.

fewer recruiting visits is also a laugh. players can't even be on official recruiting visits until classes begin their senior year of high-school. the only people who won't be able to visit the campus on an official visit are players who have graduated from high school and have yet to decide where they will be attending college. since arizona's roster is already set, that's hardly a problem.

[XUglow]

fewer recruiting visits is also a laugh. players can't even be on official recruiting visits until classes begin their senior year of high-school. the only people who won't be able to visit the campus on an official visit are players who have graduated from high school and have yet to decide where they will be attending college. since arizona's roster is already set, that's hardly a problem.

I read this differently. The loss of summer recruiting days involves coaches going out to visit and not players coming to UofA. The loss of recruiting visits by the players is not a summer thing.

Also, the NCAA hasn't ruled on this yet. They may accept UofA's self-imposed penalties, but they may add additional sanctions.

[Xman95]

FROM FOX SPORTS: "According to sources close to the situation, the school will not impose a postseason ban."

Well, the way things stand now, it doesn't appear they would have to! (Well, at least for the Big Dance.)

[xubrew]

I read this differently. The loss of summer recruiting days involves coaches going out to visit and not players coming to UofA. The loss of recruiting visits by the players is not a summer thing.

Also, the NCAA hasn't ruled on this yet. They may accept UofA's self-imposed penalties, but they may add additional sanctions.

that may be the case, and that is a little more serious, but either way arizona is still pretty well set up for next season and isn't likely to suffer any noticeable setback. now miller gets a longer summer vacation.

[gladdenguy]

You're right Brew, I have no idea if its even a big deal.
I just hate Sean Miller and wanted to rant about him.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

When I saw this on ESPN's ticker last night as I was watching UC get drilled by ND, I simply laughed and laughed and laughed.

Two good things were happening right before my very eyes.

Screw Dayton too.

Please tell me you saw the ticker and UC getting drilled at the exact same moment they were interviewing Brian Kelly with the crowd chanting "Briiiian Keeeellly". I almost feel sorry for UC fans. Almost.

[dc_x]

that may be the case, and that is a little more serious, but either way arizona is still pretty well set up for next season and isn't likely to suffer any noticeable setback. now miller gets a longer summer vacation.

I agree. This ia slap on the wrist. I'm sure Miller knew this was coming when he took the job.

[Xman95]

now miller gets a longer summer vacation.

Arizona better be careful. With all that free time over the summer, Miller might just go find another coaching job.

[xubrew]

Arizona better be careful. With all that free time over the summer, Miller might just go find another coaching job.

how much do nba assistants make??

[Masterofreality]

Wow, what a chastising of themselves.

The loss of one scholly when most of your team is already Frosh and Sophs. Some penalty.

Having an AAU Tourney on your campus is a real recruiting advantage. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

[Billy]

Not good pub for the program...no matter how you choose to look at the severity of the punishment itself.

[MADXSTER]

Maybe Sean could hire GuyFawkes do be his publicist. I'm sure he could smooth things over.

[Xman95]

Not good pub for the program...no matter how you choose to look at the severity of the punishment itself.

Not good for pub among college hoops fans and maybe some media. But, for high school players, I don't think this will have any effect on their perception of AZ.

[bomber]

OK, so let's say Miller knew about the dirt at the program. And let's say, maybe, that's a reason why the AD came back to Sean, after the weekend, and offered quite a bit more spending money, and the guaranteed extension of the contract.

Did Miller and his staff share the same information with recruits, such as K. Parrom?? I think not. While Arizone is not imposing more severe sanctions, who knows what the NCAA will do.

The pity of any of this is the players at AZ, should sanctions from the NCAA extend further. I don't wish Sean anything but the best. He was a short timer at XU anyway. HE didn't think our program was Final Four material.

[vee4xu]

You know, Mack has things going so well with our program at this point, that I can care less about both Matta and Miller.

[rhyno2110]

Why is there so much hate for Coach Miller on this thread?

I don't know about you guys, but he did a great amount for the Xavier basketball program and sustianed our history. Also, his coaching strategies have helped develop Chris Mack's strategies. I can't really blame him for leaving Xavier for a more popular program in Arizona.

Let's just hope Mack doesn't do the same thing:)

[Billy]

Not good for pub among college hoops fans and maybe some media. But, for high school players, I don't think this will have any effect on their perception of AZ.

To say it won't have any is a heck of a presumption. You expect those that are recruiting against Miller will find a way to use it? "Careless boosters", whatever.

[joebba]

Holy hell, it looks like Miller knew about this before he took the job: link (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/12883772/coach-miller-selfsanctions-coming-for-arizona)

I saw that too. Amazing. Why would he take a job he knew could run into some trouble? I guess he likes too add to the challenge of tuning AZ around.

[Muskie in dayton]

Who cares about AZ? These topics like this make me feel dirty - like a the crazy stalker watching the every move of their ex.

Coach Mack is here and we're in mid-season playing great. Move on.

[Xman95]

To say it won't have any is a heck of a presumption. You expect those that are recruiting against Miller will find a way to use it? "Careless boosters", whatever.

I just don't think most kids will care. Sure, some might be affected. But guys like Calipari, Sampson, etc. have never had issues recruiting. You won't find many bigger dirtballs. Honestly, I hope I'm wrong and kids do avoid programs like that. Maybe it would help clean up the sport.

I'm guessing the only thing that kids really care about is whether they'll have a chance to get to the tournament and getting exposure. The Arizona "penalty" wouldn't have a huge effect on either of those things. Now, if they were to lose five scholarships or be banned from postseason play for three years...

[Xman95]

These topics like this make me feel dirty - like a the crazy stalker watching the every move of their ex.

You're a Muskie in Dayton and these topics make you feel dirty?!? You should always feel dirty living in the armpit of Ohio!:)

[Muskie in dayton]

You're a Muskie in Dayton and these topics make you feel dirty?!? You should always feel dirty living in the armpit of Ohio!:)

You have no idea. I've already showered 6 times today...

[Xman95]

You have no idea. I've already showered 6 times today...

They have running water in Dayton?

[xu_fan]

See: Calipari, John


From my knowledge he's never been found guilty of anything. Just sayin

[Masterofreality]

See: Calipari, John


From my knowledge he's never been found guilty of anything. Just sayin

What?

Does UMASS ring a bell?

A Vacated Final Four?

[paulxu]

As they have an interim AD and a new head coach, I'm thinking the Board of Trustees meeting last spring went something like this:

1. Woops!
2. We're in trouble
3. Hire a really clean head coach...maybe that Xavier guy
4. He wants more money if he has to handle this crap and coach
5. Pay him more money
6. Slap our own wrist and pray that NCAA is too busy looking at USC
7. OK? OK.
8. When is tee time this afternoon?

[xubrew]

What?

Does UMASS ring a bell?

A Vacated Final Four?

no sanctions were imposed on calipari, though. i believe that's what xu_fan was pointing out. it was the administration, particularly the boosters, that were found to be at fault.

if you look at his record, calipari is clean. that doesn't necessarily mean he is clean. it just means that his record is.

[boozehound]

From my knowledge he's never been found guilty of anything. Just sayin


I know, I know. Personally I just feel like there is so much smoke around him that there has to be a fire somewhere, and I don't see how he could not have known about it. He is too good of a Coach to have things like that going on around him with no personal knowledge.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt with the UMass situation. Now with the situation at Memphis I just cannot believe that there is any realistic way in which he is not involved in the alleged transgressions.

I cannot really speculate about his degree of involvement, though. It may have been as simple as a tacit understanding between him and his staff to 'get it done no matter what' and not to tell him anything about what they were doing so that he wasn't culpable.

[xubrew]

I know, I know. Personally I just feel like there is so much smoke around him that there has to be a fire somewhere, and I don't see how he could not have known about it. He is too good of a Coach to have things like that going on around him with no personal knowledge.

I gave him the benefit of the doubt with the UMass situation. Now with the situation at Memphis I just cannot believe that there is any realistic way in which he is not involved in the alleged transgressions.

I cannot really speculate about his degree of involvement, though. It may have been as simple as a tacit understanding between him and his staff to 'get it done no matter what' and not to tell him anything about what they were doing so that he wasn't culpable.

actually booze, i think one of the reasons cal gets away with everything is because it seems that the only allegations involving him that become public are things that he actually didn't do.

i disagree with you about memphis. i'm having a hard time believing that cal had anything to do with that whatsoever. it's compliance, not the head coach, that evaluates the transcripts to begin with. it's admissions, not the head coach that admits students to the university. it's the SAT and ACT, not the head coach, that administers the standardized tests. it's the clearing house, not the head coach, that lclears an athlete to play.

so, if compliance and admissions gets test scores from the SAT, they have to assume that the scores are correct. it's not their job to second guess the validity of the scores that they receive from the testing services. with 20,000+ applicants that is a near impossible task. the SAT said the scores were legit, admissions believed them, compliance certified him, and the clearing house cleared him based on that information. i don't see how that is AT ALL the coach's fault. if anything, it's the testing service's fault before it's anyone else's.

on top of that, it was retroactively red-flagged. the kid was already in school and had already been cleared. and that is my biggest question in all of this. if the SAT had red-flagged his scores and was trying to reach the kid, why didn't they notify the university of memphis?? the SAT claims that they were unable to reach him, and that is why the scores ended up being nullified. well, if they were trying to reach him, wouldn't memphis have been a good place to look??

for that reason, cal is completely blameless. it also means that the focus is put on this and taken off of some place where there may actually be fire.

[25jackson]

Here is a really good article from SI explaining what happened at Arizona.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/george_dohrmann/02/08/arizona/index.html

[Masterofreality]

no sanctions were imposed on calipari, though. i believe that's what xu_fan was pointing out. it was the administration, particularly the boosters, that were found to be at fault.

if you look at his record, calipari is clean. that doesn't necessarily mean he is clean. it just means that his record is.

Yeah,well you could make the same argument for BeelzeBob but the only difference was that Calamari had left UMess before the sanctions so they couldn't follow him. They were applied to the school he was employed by. Thuggy was still at SucKS when the probation for "lack of institutional control" came down. That was against "the administration" too.

Like the wrestler with the "object in his trunks" who always puts his "not me" hands up, The Coiffed One has always claimed that it was someone else- like boosters who gave Kmart a car or let Patterson live in a rent free apartment or a teaching assistant who gave Charles Williams illegal school help.

How lucky Calamari was to, once again, leave Memphis right before the Derrick Rose mess came to a head. Again, any actions can't follow him keeping "his record clean". Bobby Knight sure thinks something is stinky with Calamari- and it ain't rotting fish.

[XU 87]

I'm not claiming that Calipar is "clean", but I thought the UMass problem was that Camby had contact with/took money from an agent. The Memphis problem is that Rose cheated on his SAT. I highly doubt Calipari had any involvement with either situation.

[waggy]

Here is a really good article from SI explaining what happened at Arizona.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/george_dohrmann/02/08/arizona/index.html

Thanks.

Arizona is dirty.

[Masterofreality]

I'm not claiming that Calipar is "clean", but I thought the UMass problem was that Camby had contact with/took money from an agent. The Memphis problem is that Rose cheated on his SAT. I highly doubt Calipari had any involvement with either situation.

Calamari's Final 4 appearance was in 1996- the same year that Camby allegedly took money from agents. Right after that, Calamari magically decided to leave UMess and become the coach of the New Jersey Nets- a team that was horriffic with a number of bad, selfish actors like Derrick Colman, Kenny Anderson and Benoit Benjamin. Amazing coincidence that he just happened to leave UMess at that point before anything was even alleged. Nothing like staying one step ahead of the grim reaper, huh? Why would Calamari leave a program where he was on top of the world for nothing but headaches? The money difference was not that great at that time between a Final 4 basketball coach and a rookie NBA coach. Hmmmm. NBA move, pro agents. Who knows what kind of promises were made to Camby by Calamari and other "friends" he had to lure players to the frozen tundra of Amherst? I cannot believe that coaches are as incredibly clueless regarding stuff about their players activities as the apologists make it out to be. And when there is a pattern of misbehavior from when a guy moves from school to school, then there has to be something there.

While Calamari may have a "clean" record, there sure is a lot of slime trailing him.

[BandAid]

I realize Pastner, current HC at Memphis, isn't as big a fish as Calipari. But there are now 2 schools that have had problems while he was an assistant coach: Arizona and Memphis. Not good...

[Masterofreality]

Thanks.

Arizona is dirty.

And maybe so is Josh Pastner? Maybe the reason why AZ didn't hire him as new HC?

Memphis may be stuck with another slimy, yet younger, guy.

The AAU system just sucks. I've been involved with it close-up from different sides and it needs to be flushed.

[XUglow]

The AAU system just sucks. I've been involved with it close-up from different sides and it needs to be flushed.

MOR with a technical explanation of what is wrong with the AAU system. I agree 100%.

[xsteve1]

Thanks.

Arizona is dirty.

That's probably how they became a good program because they sucked balls prior to Olsen.

[xubrew]

Why would Calamari leave a program where he was on top of the world for nothing but headaches? The money difference was not that great at that time between a Final 4 basketball coach and a rookie NBA coach. Hmmmm. NBA move, pro agents. Who knows what kind of promises were made to Camby by Calamari and other "friends" he had to lure players to the frozen tundra of Amherst?

i believe the nets offered him upwards of $10 million. he was making less than half a million a year at umass. i would consider that to be a substantial money difference.

i never said that i didn't think calipari wasn't dirty. my only point was that i believe one of the reasons that his current record is clean is because the things he's been accused of he actually didn't do. if he is constantly breaking the rules, this works in his favor because it takes the focus off of that and puts it on something that he actually isn't guilty of.

i don't think marcus camby needed any favors. it wasn't as if he needed anyone on the inside to get him into the nba. that allegation is almost laughable. just so i'm clear, you're alledging that while calipari was recruiting these players, he told him that it was his plan to leave umass in four years to coach the nets, and that he'd promise them roster spots when that happened. now, if you or someone else were to take that opinion public, it again works in his favor because it's another allegation of something that he didn't actually do, which in turn takes the focus off of whatever rules he actually may be breaking.

[Masterofreality]

i believe the nets offered him upwards of $10 million. he was making less than half a million a year at umass. i would consider that to be a substantial money difference.


Actually, I stand corrected, brew. The Nets actually gave him $15 million over 5 year contract with, essentially General Manager power. He was making over a Million at UMess, which was a big number for a college coach back then.

I had forgotten how the Nets just fell all over themselves.

However, the fact remains. Only one guy has ever been a coach at two programs that had their entire season vacated.

John Calapari.

[xubrew]

as i understand it umass didn't have to vacate their entire season. just the ncaa tournament games. that's kind of screwy...but whatever.

what's screwier, if i understand it correctly, is that the 1991-1992 michigan team didn't even have to vacate their ncaa tournament wins, but rather just the two final four games...one of which was a loss. nothing smacks a program down harder than making them vacate a game that they lost. that makes them the first team ever that officially won in the elite eight and then didn't play in the final four. i believe they did have to vacate the entire 1992-1993 season.

[SixFig]

that makes them the first team ever that officially won in the elite eight and then didn't play in the final four.

Some on this board would say Xavier in 2004 was the other :)

[golfitup]

That's probably how they became a good program because they sucked balls prior to Olsen.

Zona and UConn are very similar in that Olson and Calhoun are both bigger than the program itself. They built up those programs from nothing. I have little doubt Miller will succeed but UConn appears to have a bit more of a tenuous situation. Of course I say that as Zona was just in recruiting no man's land for 3 years so who the hell knows...

[Xman95]

I have little doubt Miller will succeed

I think you're correct about that. But I sure as hell wouldn't be upset if that program rode off into the desert sun.

[GoMuskies]

I think Miller and Gillen would make a great pair as TV analysts. They could be billed as the former Xavier coaches who went somewhere else and got fired. I would like that. A lot.

[gladdenguy]

I second that GO....I would love Sean Miller to get fired. I don't mind Thad...but fatty Miller....I hope he fizzles out in Arizona.