Jerome Simpson playing Sunday...Finally

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

It's about time! Hopefully he can provide some kind of deep threat.

SD is gonna be real tough and were gonna need all the offense we can get.

Phillip Rivers - 16-0 all time in December. SD winners of 8 straight

Purify was waived today.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2009/12/16/simpsons-time-coming-sunday/

[94GRAD]

DeSean Jackson was picked two players behind Simpson in last years draft. He would have been nice to have.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

DeSean Jackson was picked two players behind Simpson in last years draft. He would have been nice to have.

Or Ray Rice...Oh well

This will be interesting this sunday. The way the Chargers play at home, were gonna need to score some serious points

[boozehound]

Yeah. Simpson was a pretty retarded pick. That one had Mike Brown written all over it. It was the traditional "I'm smarter than everybody else so even though no one thinks this guy is a 2nd rounder I am going to pick him" bengals pick. Was it so hard to pick a guy who was a known quantity instead of some kid from a school nobody heard of. It is hard enough for college wideouts to adjust to the pro game, imagine how difficult it is to come from playing in the Sun Belt conference (I think) to playing in the NFL... Project pics are for 5th rounders, not second rounders.

I'm a little surprised they waived Purify. I thought that they liked him, although I was never sure why.

[gladdenguy]

Boozehound, you would think so, but that wasn't Mike Brown at all.
This from a very good source.....Last year when Mike Brown got Chris Henry back on the team and Marvin wasn't very happy about it.....Mike Brown said, I let you guys have that Simpson character, don't tell me I can't have Chris Henry back.

[boozehound]

I guess I stand corrected. I wonder who it was that was fighting so hard for Simpson over Desean Jackson. I guess that they really really wanted a tall receiver...

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Simpson stats: Career...

6 games, 1 reception, 2 yards

1 kick return for 8 yards

Jackson Stats:

2008 - 16 games, 62 receptions, 912 yards, 14.7 average, 57 yards per game, 2 TD
17 rushes for 96 yards/5.6 average/6 yards per game and 1 TD
50 punt returns for 440 yards and 1 TD

2009 - 12 games, 50 receptions, 947 yards, 18.9 average, 78.9 yards per game, 7 TD
8 Rushes for 125 yards/15.6 average/10.4 yards per game and 1 TD
23 punt returns for 409 yards/17.8 average with 2 TDs

[THRILLHOUSE]

IIRC, Jackson had questions about his character and attitude coming out of college, so no way were the bengals even going to consider him. Even though he is clearly better than Simpson, I don't think Jackson would be putting up the numbers he is in Philly if the bengals had picked him. From day 1 he was pretty much counted on to be Phillys #1 wideout and he got that opportunity, that wouldn't have been the case here. Sure I'd rather have picked Jackson, but people need to stop acting like we passed on Jerry Rice again.

[danaandvictory]

is hard enough for college wideouts to adjust to the pro game, imagine how difficult it is to come from playing in the Sun Belt conference (I think) to playing in the NFL....

If he was from the Sun Belt, at least he'd be a I-A football player. Coastal plays down in the Big South and has made the I-AA playoffs exactly once in its history (which dates all the way back to ... 2003).

What a stupid draft pick. No excuse whatsoever for that. It's turned out even worse than Al Davis taking that safety from OU no one had ever heard of.

[XU 87]

Boozehound, you would think so, but that wasn't Mike Brown at all.
This from a very good source.....Last year when Mike Brown got Chris Henry back on the team and Marvin wasn't very happy about it.....Mike Brown said, I let you guys have that Simpson character, don't tell me I can't have Chris Henry back.

I heard the exact opposite. This was a Mike/little Paul pick. The coaches didn't want him. Mike and little Paul did.

[Billy]

IIRC, Jackson had questions about his character and attitude coming out of college, so no way were the bengals even going to consider him.

They also took Frostee Rucker AFTER they started pretending that they cared about character.

Just sayin'.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They also took Frostee Rucker AFTER they started pretending that they cared about character.

Just sayin'.

Ya, I was thinking the same thing.

[Jumpy]

Simpson stats: Career...

6 games, 1 reception, 2 yards

1 kick return for 8 yards

Jackson Stats:

2008 - 16 games, 62 receptions, 912 yards, 14.7 average, 57 yards per game, 2 TD
17 rushes for 96 yards/5.6 average/6 yards per game and 1 TD
50 punt returns for 440 yards and 1 TD

2009 - 12 games, 50 receptions, 947 yards, 18.9 average, 78.9 yards per game, 7 TD
8 Rushes for 125 yards/15.6 average/10.4 yards per game and 1 TD
23 punt returns for 409 yards/17.8 average with 2 TDs


In the kid's defense, he hasn't been given a chance to show what he can do yet, so you can't compare stats with a receiver in a totally different setting. Simpson came in behind one of the best receiving groups in the NFL while Jackson was coming into a depleted corps in Philly. Jackson was expected to play immediately; Simpson was expected to come in, learn and take a starting role once he proved himself.

Simpson is a very talented receiver, he just hasn't had a chance to prove it yet becuase he has been stuck behind a lot of talent. If you reversed their roles, I'd be willing to bet that Jackson wouldn't have any stats to speak of while we'd be talking about Simpson being the one that "got away".

[D-West & PO-Z]

In the kid's defense, he hasn't been given a chance to show what he can do yet, so you can't compare stats with a receiver in a totally different setting. Simpson came in behind one of the best receiving groups in the NFL while Jackson was coming into a depleted corps in Philly. Jackson was expected to play immediately; Simpson was expected to come in, learn and take a starting role once he proved himself.

Simpson is a very talented receiver, he just hasn't had a chance to prove it yet becuase he has been stuck behind a lot of talent. If you reversed their roles, I'd be willing to bet that Jackson wouldn't have any stats to speak of while we'd be talking about Simpson being the one that "got away".

That seems like wishful thinking. If you have the talent of Jackson it forces the team to give you a chance to show what you can do. I dont disagree he went into a better situation fro immediate playing time but at the same time it is ridiculous to say it would have been the exact same if you switch the two.

[Jumpy]

That seems like wishful thinking. If you have the talent of Jackson it forces the team to give you a chance to show what you can do. I dont disagree he went into a better situation fro immediate playing time but at the same time it is ridiculous to say it would have been the exact same if you switch the two.

And how are you so certain that Simpson doesn't have the talent of Jackson? From what I've watched of him in preseason play and training camp, the guy is a freak athletically and makes miraculous catches look easy. He wasn't polished though, and needed time to work on the mental side of the game (i.e. route running, blocking).

[Juice]

They also took Frostee Rucker AFTER they started pretending that they cared about character.

Just sayin'.

Include Bernard Scott in that. He has been arrested about 5 times and kicked out of a couple colleges, one for punching his coach.

[XU 87]

[QUOTE=Jumpy;159462]And how are you so certain that Simpson doesn't have the talent of Jackson? QUOTE]

Simpson has 1 catch in two years.

Jackson has about 150 catches in two years and about 12 touchdowns.

Based on that, I'd say Jackson has more talent than Simpson.

[xsteve1]

They also took Frostee Rucker AFTER they started pretending that they cared about character.

Just sayin'.


Seems like Frostee has learned from his mistakes too!!

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/friend-for-life/BA32D568-9902-415F-BF2F-7DF2E72FFA15

[bigdiggins]

And how are you so certain that Simpson doesn't have the talent of Jackson? From what I've watched of him in preseason play and training camp, the guy is a freak athletically and makes miraculous catches look easy. He wasn't polished though, and needed time to work on the mental side of the game (i.e. route running, blocking).

I'm certain based on the fact they have at best mediocre talent at receiver other than Ocho Cinco and he still hasn't been able to get on the field yet this year.

[Jumpy]

[QUOTE=Jumpy;159462]And how are you so certain that Simpson doesn't have the talent of Jackson? QUOTE]

Simpson has 1 catch in two years.

Jackson has about 150 catches in two years and about 12 touchdowns.

Based on that, I'd say Jackson has more talent than Simpson.

That's some real deep insight ya got there, 87. I guess you missed my prior post noting that it's pretty dumb to compare their stats straight up becuase they are in two completely different situatuations.

[Jumpy]

[QUOTE=Jumpy;159462]QUOTE]

I'm certain based on the fact they have at best mediocre talent at receiver other than Ocho Cinco and he still hasn't been able to get on the field yet this year.

No doubt a Stealers fan. Or cleveland.

[D-West & PO-Z]

[QUOTE=Jumpy;159462]And how are you so certain that Simpson doesn't have the talent of Jackson? QUOTE]

Simpson has 1 catch in two years.

Jackson has about 150 catches in two years and about 12 touchdowns.

Based on that, I'd say Jackson has more talent than Simpson.


[QUOTE=Jumpy;159462]QUOTE]

I'm certain based on the fact they have at best mediocre talent at receiver other than Ocho Cinco and he still hasn't been able to get on the field yet this year.

These two answer it pretty well.


[QUOTE=XU 87;159480]

That's some real deep insight ya got there, 87. I guess you missed my prior post noting that it's pretty dumb to compare their stats straight up becuase they are in two completely different situatuations.

Jumpy, you are basing your assertions that he is just as talented as Jackson on training camp and pre season? C'mon man. You said it yourself, he doesnt run routes well, doesnt block, and he needs to work on the mental aspect of the game. That right there makes Jackson better and more talented than him.

Also lets not be naive enough to think that blocking down field is keeping him off the field. And how hard is it to run a go route? If Simpson was capable of doing what Jackson could do he would be playing. It isnt like the Bengals have some amazing receiveing group that is impossible to get playing time in.

[D-West & PO-Z]

[QUOTE=bigdiggins;159513]

No doubt a Stealers fan. Or cleveland.

Or someone with half a brain.

[XU 87]

[QUOTE=XU 87;159480]

That's some real deep insight ya got there, 87. I guess you missed my prior post noting that it's pretty dumb to compare their stats straight up becuase they are in two completely different situatuations.

Two different situations? They are both second year players drafted within two picks of each other. One guy is a two year starter who is close to being a pro bowl player. The other watches most of the games in his street clothes and until last week, had a second year free agent in front of him on the depth chart.

I don't think the Bengals drafted Simpson with the tenth pick in the second round with the understanding he wouldn't even be activated for most of his first two years.

And while I appreciate your training camp scouting report, I would rather use statistics to compare the two players. And there really is no comparison.

[Jumpy]

[QUOTE=Jumpy;159550]

Two different situations? They are both second year players drafted within two picks of each other. One guy is a two year starter who is close to being a pro bowl player. The other watches most of the games in his street clothes and until last week, had a second year free agent in front of him on the depth chart.

I don't think the Bengals drafted Simpson with the tenth pick in the second round with the understanding he wouldn't even be activated for most of his first two years.

And while I appreciate your training camp scouting report, I would rather use statistics to compare the two players. And there really is no comparison.

And one went into a position where he was needed to start right away while the other was put in position behind many talented, proven receivers where he hasn't had a chance to show what he can do yet.

And how can you claim to compare stats when Simpson hasn't had a chance to even play yet? You're argument is asinine. You want to compare apples to apples? Wait until Simpson has had a chance to play in 28 games like Jackson and then compare his first 28 games to Jackson's . You're just pissed because the Bengals are ruining your football season because they haven't given you anything to complain about.

[XU 87]

I just can't believe that anyone would try to argue that Simpson is as good as Jackson. One guy may go to the Pro Bowl this year. The other guy hasn't played in a game all year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

[QUOTE=XU 87;159565]

And one went into a position where he was needed to start right away while the other was put in position behind many talented, proven receivers where he hasn't had a chance to show what he can do yet.

And how can you claim to compare stats when Simpson hasn't had a chance to even play yet? You're argument is asinine. You want to compare apples to apples? Wait until Simpson has had a chance to play in 28 games like Jackson and then compare his first 28 games to Jackson's . You're just pissed because the Bengals are ruining your football season because they haven't given you anything to complain about.

Do you understand that for that reason alone he isnt better than Jackson. HE cant even get on the field! You are acting liek the Bengals have 3 Pro Bowl receivers in front of him, they dont even have one.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I just can't believe that anyone would try to argue that Simpson is as good as Jackson. One guy may go to the Pro Bowl this year. The other guy hasn't played in a game all year.

It is quite the sight.

[Kahns Krazy]

Desean Jackson is a hell of player, but I think what Jumpy is saying is that you can't evaluate the relative talent of Jackson versus Simpson in the NFL, since Simpson hasn't played. There's some validity to that argument, in that there is limited NFL evidence. It's possible that Simpson is just a giant bag of talent sitting on the bench. Possible, but pretty damn unlikely.

As a Bengal fan, I'd love to think that we have someone more talented than Desean Jackson just waiting to bust out.

As much as I want it to be true, it just isn't.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Desean Jackson is a hell of player, but I think what Jumpy is saying is that you can't evaluate the relative talent of Jackson versus Simpson in the NFL, since Simpson hasn't played. There's some validity to that argument, in that there is limited NFL evidence. It's possible that Simpson is just a giant bag of talent sitting on the bench. Possible, but pretty damn unlikely.

As a Bengal fan, I'd love to think that we have someone more talented than Desean Jackson just waiting to bust out.

As much as I want it to be true, it just isn't.

There is a reason Simpson hasnt played a ton.

I have no NFL experience either, I am not as good as Desean Jackson. No one would I argue I am.

[Juice]

Simpson has been productive today.

Desean Jackson had another TD catch.

[XU 87]

Did Simpson even get in the game? I know he didn't catch a pass.

[Kahns Krazy]

Cosby was in as a wide out. Maybe it goes Cosby>Simpson>Jackson.

Tough loss. Not Leon Hall's best day.

[X-band '01]

San Diego is in one of those zones right now - if the Bengals had converted one or more of their red zone trips in the 1st half into a TD, they could have gotten the W or at least overtime.

It's too bad they lose both road games vs. the AFC West on field goals, but Keading and Janikowski are two of the best kickers in the league.

[Jumpy]

I just can't believe that anyone would try to argue that Simpson is as good as Jackson. One guy may go to the Pro Bowl this year. The other guy hasn't played in a game all year.


[QUOTE=Jumpy;159721]

Do you understand that for that reason alone he isnt better than Jackson. HE cant even get on the field! You are acting liek the Bengals have 3 Pro Bowl receivers in front of him, they dont even have one.

I don't know how many times or ways I can say it, so I'll just reiterate for the dense. My point is that we don't know how good Simpson is as an NFL WR because HE HASN'THAD A CHANCE TO PLAY. To write him off as a bust because of this is doing him a disservice. Before you make judgment on his abilities, at least take the time (or allow him the time) to watch him play.

And dwest: last time I checked, both of the Bengals starters have been to the Pro Bowl, so I'm not exactly sure what you're smoking.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

San Diego is in one of those zones right now - if the Bengals had converted one or more of their red zone trips in the 1st half into a TD, they could have gotten the W or at least overtime.

It's too bad they lose both road games vs. the AFC West on field goals, but Keading and Janikowski are two of the best kickers in the league.

The only teams we have beaten are from the AFC North and the NFC North. Just a useless trivia stat I just realized that has no bearing to this conversation

[suspectx]

[QUOTE=D-West & PO-Z;159750]

I don't know how many times or ways I can say it, so I'll just reiterate for the dense. My point is that we don't know how good Simpson is as an NFL WR because HE HASN'THAD A CHANCE TO PLAY. To write him off as a bust because of this is doing him a disservice. Before you make judgment on his abilities, at least take the time (or allow him the time) to watch him play.

And dwest: last time I checked, both of the Bengals starters have been to the Pro Bowl, so I'm not exactly sure what you're smoking.

Somebody (Bengals coaches) know how good he is as an NFL recevier because he can't get on the field. If he was good he would be on the field, period. Purify and Cosby would not be getting opportunites over him if he was any good. The Bengals would not have gone out and signed Coles if Simpson could have played. That says it all right there.

[XU 87]

Simpson hugged Chad after Chad caught his touchdown pass. So I suppose that's a positive.

Maybe next week Simpson will catch his first pass of the year. That would give him two for his career.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't know how many times or ways I can say it, so I'll just reiterate for the dense. My point is that we don't know how good Simpson is as an NFL WR because HE HASN'THAD A CHANCE TO PLAY. To write him off as a bust because of this is doing him a disservice. Before you make judgment on his abilities, at least take the time (or allow him the time) to watch him play.

And dwest: last time I checked, both of the Bengals starters have been to the Pro Bowl, so I'm not exactly sure what you're smoking.

Jumpy, you are not living in reality man. Laverneus Coles went to the Pro Bowl one time six years ago. Dont act like he is a pro bowl player now. IF Simpson had this amazing talent that you seem to think he may have, he would not be sitting on the bench. One of the coaches would have seen it at some point in practice, training camp, somewhere. The dude cant get on the field.

Once again, I have zero NFL catches, but I guess I havent really been given my opportunity. Maybe I should argue that I might be as talented and as good as DeSean Jackson.

[boozehound]

Jumpy, you are not living in reality man. Laverneus Coles went to the Pro Bowl one time six years ago. Dont act like he is a pro bowl player now. IF Simpson had this amazing talent that you seem to think he may have, he would not be sitting on the bench. One of the coaches would have seen it at some point in practice, training camp, somewhere. The dude cant get on the field.

Once again, I have zero NFL catches, but I guess I havent really been given my opportunity. Maybe I should argue that I might be as talented and as good as DeSean Jackson.

This made me laugh. It was a good point as well.

[Jumpy]

Jumpy, you are not living in reality man. Laverneus Coles went to the Pro Bowl one time six years ago. Dont act like he is a pro bowl player now. IF Simpson had this amazing talent that you seem to think he may have, he would not be sitting on the bench. One of the coaches would have seen it at some point in practice, training camp, somewhere. The dude cant get on the field.

Once again, I have zero NFL catches, but I guess I havent really been given my opportunity. Maybe I should argue that I might be as talented and as good as DeSean Jackson.

Well, first of all, your in the same boat I am. You're fat, white and can't jump for crap. So, I think Simpson may have a leg up on you there.

As far as Coles goes, I was being a bit literal, but you said that Simpson wasn't behind any pro bowlers. He is, in fact, behind two former pro bowlers, but pro bowlers just the same. You want to write the guy off, fine. I just think its a bit premature to do so. Chad wasn't a barn burner his first two years in the league. Hell, he was nearly cut because he couldn't hold on to the ball. And that was when we had no talent on the entire team, let alone the WR position.

In the end, I don't care what you think about him. I do reserve the right, however, to tell you "I told you so" if/when Simpson becomes a productive member of the team.

[Jumpy]

[QUOTE=Jumpy;160617]

Somebody (Bengals coaches) know how good he is as an NFL recevier because he can't get on the field. If he was good he would be on the field, period. Purify and Cosby would not be getting opportunites over him if he was any good. The Bengals would not have gone out and signed Coles if Simpson could have played. That says it all right there.

Purify and Cosby suited up for the game because they play special teams. Simpson does not. He is purely a receiver.

You're right about the Coles signing, but your assumption that it means that he sucks is wrong. There are many reasons why he is left out in the cold. To assume that you know what Marvin and his staff is thinking is wrong. Why doesn't Marvin play Larry Johnson? Is it because he has so little talent that he can't break into the lineup?

[Jumpy]

And by the way, never did I say that it is a foregone conclusion that simpson is as talented as jackson. All I said was that its pretty shortsighted to try and compare them directly.

You guys claim that the coaches know he's a bust, so he doesn't get on the field. Assuming that that is truly their motivation, coaches, like anyone else, can be wrong about a guy. All the guy in question needs is the right setting to shine. Just a couple of examples of this would be Brett Favre and Steve Young. They were both backups for their original teams and once they changed settings, had great careers.

And before any of you jump to more conclusions, no I'm not saying Simpson is as talented as either of those guys. I'm just saying that the precedent is there.

[XU 87]

[QUOTE=Jumpy;160639]Chad wasn't a barn burner his first two years in the league. Hell, he was nearly cut because he couldn't hold on to the ball.

/QUOTE]

Chad caught 28 passes his first year and 69 his second year. He also had 1166 receiving yards his second year. I doubt that he was close to getting cut. In fact, by his second year, he was on his way to becoming a Pro Bowler.

At the rate Simpson's going of 1 catch per year, it will take him another 95 years before he catches up to Chad's first two years. (And that's assuming Simpson catches another pass this year). And it will be even longer before he catches up to Jackson.

[Jumpy]

Wow, 87, you really have a one track mind, don't you? I've already said my piece, I'm not going to try and debate a broken record.

And the thing about Chad? I took it right from him. He said as much in an article on bengals.com about how Jon Kitna turned his career around.

http://blog.mlive.com/highlightreel/2007/08/chad_johnson_credits_kitna_for.html

[suspectx]

[QUOTE=suspectx;160620]

Purify and Cosby suited up for the game because they play special teams. Simpson does not. He is purely a receiver.

You're right about the Coles signing, but your assumption that it means that he sucks is wrong. There are many reasons why he is left out in the cold. To assume that you know what Marvin and his staff is thinking is wrong. Why doesn't Marvin play Larry Johnson? Is it because he has so little talent that he can't break into the lineup?

Um, Simpson suited up yesterday and Cosby was the one actually playing and even had a catch. Why was that the case? Purify dressed when Henry got hurt. Henry was "purely a recevier"

What other assumption is there then? Does Marvin just not like him? This is the NFL. The best players play. Besides Chad, the bengals receivers have been mediocre at best. Larry Johnson was a scrap heap signing in the middle of the season for depth and he wasn't exactly running wild in KC. That really isn't even a comparable situation.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well, first of all, your in the same boat I am. You're fat, white and can't jump for crap. So, I think Simpson may have a leg up on you there.

As far as Coles goes, I was being a bit literal, but you said that Simpson wasn't behind any pro bowlers. He is, in fact, behind two former pro bowlers, but pro bowlers just the same. You want to write the guy off, fine. I just think its a bit premature to do so. Chad wasn't a barn burner his first two years in the league. Hell, he was nearly cut because he couldn't hold on to the ball. And that was when we had no talent on the entire team, let alone the WR position.

In the end, I don't care what you think about him. I do reserve the right, however, to tell you "I told you so" if/when Simpson becomes a productive member of the team.

I dont want to write the guy off. I dont think I ever said that and if I did it wasnt what I meant. There are plenty of guys who didnt do too much early on and became prosuctive players. Simpson could do that. But at this point I think it is ludicrous for anyone to think that as of now Simpson has anywhere near the talent of Jackson. Just the simple fact that you brought up about him not being a very good route runner and not having the mental part down makes it that he is not as talented as Jackson. I just think that if a WR is as talented as DeSean Jackson coaches are going to notice that and they are going to play them. A guy that talented would force himself onto the field because no matter what is in front of him the coaches would have to play him.

If Simpson had Chad Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, DeSean Jackson, AND Andre Johnson in front of him, then I could buy your point about not being given the opportunity. Right now I just cant.

[Jumpy]

[QUOTE=Jumpy;160641]

Um, Simpson suited up yesterday and Cosby was the one actually playing and even had a catch. Why was that the case? Purify dressed when Henry got hurt. Henry was "purely a recevier"

What other assumption is there then? Does Marvin just not like him? This is the NFL. The best players play. Besides Chad, the bengals receivers have been mediocre at best. Larry Johnson was a scrap heap signing in the middle of the season for depth and he wasn't exactly running wild in KC. That really isn't even a comparable situation.

Yeah, just about as crazy as trying to compare Simpson and Jackson, isn't it?

[XU 87]

Never mind.

[X-band '01]

The only teams we have beaten are from the AFC North and the NFC North. Just a useless trivia stat I just realized that has no bearing to this conversation

Even more useless is that so far the Bengals have beaten all teams they've played east of the Mississippi River and lost to all teams west of the Mississippi River. Bad omen for KC, good omen for the New York Jets.