SucKS new Football Coach

[Masterofreality]

Another Central Michigan guy, Butch Jones. What? Is CMU just the Borecat's whipping bitch? No one else in football can be looked at?

Hey, I thought that SucKS was a big time BCS program now. How come Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops aren't rumored for or considering that job?

SucKS football- A return to irrelevancy.

[SixFig]

Then Butch Jones will leave to coach at Penn State or Kansas State and UC will be sad again. Stepping stone bitch. It's a tough pill to swallow.

[coasterville95]

Irony, some of their fans are poking fun at CMU for being a stepping stone program. "Thanks CMU for testing out our new coaches" "CMU: Training site for future UC Coaches"

It's December 16 at 11:56AM, UC may have a brand new football coach, but they stll sUCk.

[coasterville95]

Another Central Michigan guy, Butch Jones. What? Is CMU just the Borecat's whipping bitch? No one else in football can be looked at?

Hey, I thought that SucKS was a big time BCS program now. How come Urban Meyer and Bob Stoops aren't rumored for or considering that job?

SucKS football- A return to irrelevancy.

MOR - trying to think about it objectively - Do you want to be the guy thay has to follow right after a coach who was Big East Coach of the Year thrice, the Home Depot national coach of the year once, has two Big East Titles in the last two years, and the corresponding BCS bowl apperances? I'd say, let some other guy be the sacrificial lamb, if he does a great job, good for him, if not THEN you can come in to be the savior who resurrects this "once great, storied, football program" You know, sort of like what Kelly is doing at Notre Dame. (Note: I'm clearly exaggerating and not really referring to UC as a great storied football program, but if this comes to pass you know their deluded fans will refer to it as such)

[UC observer]

Then Butch Jones will leave to coach at Penn State or Kansas State and UC will be sad again. Stepping stone bitch. It's a tough pill to swallow.

Ha ha you have GOT to be kidding me. Xavier fan calling out someone else for being a stepping stone program?????


HAHAHA thats funny.

[Masterofreality]

Ha ha you have GOT to be kidding me. Xavier fan calling out someone else for being a stepping stone program?????


HAHAHA thats funny.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh! A little sensitive, are we, after our Borecat stones are the ones that have been stepped on, observer?

Here's the difference. Xavier has continued on to thrive even after a parade of six coaches since 1980. By the way, Xavier's basketball record over SucKS in the last 31 years is 18-13 with those six coaches and 10-4 in the last 14with 4, count 'em- Four different coaches.

There will be no long term repeat for SucKS football like Xavier basketball. You caught lightning in a bottle, have not made any significant upgrades to preserve success, and now you'll be back to Saturday afternoon crowds of less than half of capacity- just like your crappy basketball program.

By the way, thanks for checking in.

[DC Muskie]

How little do you think CMU feels?

[UC observer]

UC football has had more success in 2 years than Xavier basketball in 20.

When people know how to pronounce your name I will be impressed

[AviatorX]

UC football has had more success in 2 years than Xavier basketball in 20.

When people know how to pronounce your name I will be impressed

Whatever. Let me just say that as a proud XU basketball fan and Hokie football fan, I really enjoy playing UC, my team always seem to win. (Spare me the 47-30 post, I don't really care.)

[Masterofreality]

UC football has had more success in 2 years than Xavier basketball in 20.



Why? Because you play in a second rate league, lost your bowl game last year and will get trounced this year? That's about the same as Beelzebob's first weekend NCAA losses and never beating a higher seeded team while at Clifton.

Also, "success" like not even breaking even on your bowl trip last year because you couldn't sell enough tickets? That is one helluva program you got over there, sonny.

OooooooooKay......

[Juice]

UC football has had more success in 2 years than Xavier basketball in 20.

When people know how to pronounce your name I will be impressed

Wouldn't being in an Elite 8 of about 300+ D1 schools be pretty similar to being in the top 5 of 120 D1 schools based solely on proportion?

Plus, UC will drop hard once they lose to Florida.

[CinciX12]

They will learn awfully fast that Jones is no Brian Kelly.

[bearcat65]

Why? Because you play in a second rate league, lost your bowl game last year and will get trounced this year? That's about the same as Beelzebob's first weekend NCAA losses and never beating a higher seeded team while at Clifton.

Also, "success" like not even breaking even on your bowl trip last year because you couldn't sell enough tickets? That is one helluva program you got over there, sonny.

OooooooooKay......

UC has sold out their allotment of Sugar bowl tickets for this year and it's not out of the question that there will be 25,000 UC fans down in New Orleans. Most estimates had their Orange bowl numbers between 18 and 20 thousand. Not Ohio State numbers but pretty good overall. 2nd rate conference is your opinion. It's not supported by fact however. You seem obsessed with UC and even go as far as to use the shootout record to demonstrate Xavier's sustained success despite coaching turn over. Xavier's sustained success is better demonstrated by their NCAA tournament success and the way they have dominated the A10 despite coaching changes.

[_LH]

Why? Because you play in a second rate league, lost your bowl game last year and will get trounced this year? That's about the same as Beelzebob's first weekend NCAA losses and never beating a higher seeded team while at Clifton.

Also, "success" like not even breaking even on your bowl trip last year because you couldn't sell enough tickets? That is one helluva program you got over there, sonny.

OooooooooKay......

Yeah, let's not get carried away with the "success" UC football has had.

Win a BCS Bowl and then we will talk.

[XUglow]

UC has sold out their allotment of Sugar bowl tickets for this year

Yes, I read a story on this. The tickets went to UC season ticket holders. There are 499 postings for tickets in the UC section on eBay. That is not 499 tickets. That is 499 postings offering to sell the tickets and that is eBay only. I hope that you will have a lot of fans in New Orleans, but I am also waiting to see how many UF fans are in the crowd in the UC sections.

There is an improvement over last year though. Tickets are going for 3X the $125 cost. Last year they went unsold at 99 cents.

[CinciX12]

UC has sold out their allotment of Sugar bowl tickets for this year and it's not out of the question that there will be 25,000 UC fans down in New Orleans. Most estimates had their Orange bowl numbers between 18 and 20 thousand. Not Ohio State numbers but pretty good overall. 2nd rate conference is your opinion. It's not supported by fact however. You seem obsessed with UC and even go as far as to use the shootout record to demonstrate Xavier's sustained success despite coaching turn over. Xavier's sustained success is better demonstrated by their NCAA tournament success and the way they have dominated the A10 despite coaching changes.

Not supported by fact?!?

Here's a fact for you. Your team goes undefeated and while going undefeated in Big East play gets jumped by TCU in the BCS. That's a fact. As a UC fan I'm going to assume that your intelligence can't handle it any you continue to be a whiny bitch about everything sports related.

[bearcat65]

Not supported by fact?!?

Here's a fact for you. Your team goes undefeated and while going undefeated in Big East play gets jumped by TCU in the BCS. That's a fact. As a UC fan I'm going to assume that your intelligence can't handle it any you continue to be a whiny bitch about everything sports related.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs

UC finished the regular season ranked 3rd in the BCS behind Alabama and Texas. Thats a fact. If you look at final conference rankings for the last 5 years you will also understand my point about the Big East being a 2nd ranked conference not being supported by fact.

[_LH]

The BE is second rate for football. Everyone knows that. If UC would have lost to Pitt, UC would have gone to the Car Care Bowl and not gotten a BCS at large bid. That speaks volumes about UC football and BE football.

[chico]

Don't even try to argue that the Big East is comparable to the other power conferences. Their two best schools (Miami, Va. Tech) left for a basketball conference.

It's basically the SEC and everybody else. There are occasional years when the Pac 10 and the Big 12 compete with them. The Big 10 is solid but not spectacular. The Big East has an argument that they're on par with the ACC but that's about it when talking about the Big Six.

[bearcat65]

Don't even try to argue that the Big East is comparable to the other power conferences. Their two best schools (Miami, Va. Tech) left for a basketball conference.

It's basically the SEC and everybody else. There are occasional years when the Pac 10 and the Big 12 compete with them. The Big 10 is solid but not spectacular. The Big East has an argument that they're on par with the ACC but that's about it when talking about the Big Six.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm

I agree about the SEC.

[_LH]

http://www.thedaonline.com/sports/big-east-forced-to-be-second-rate-1.627144

[XUglow]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bcs

UC finished the regular season ranked 3rd in the BCS behind Alabama and Texas. Thats a fact.

What does Vegas think about your 3rd place team vs. the 5th place team? You are favored, correct?

[bearcat65]

What does Vegas think about your 3rd place team vs. the 5th place team? You are favored, correct?

What does that have to do with the fact they were 3rd in the last BCS poll? Do you think #2 Texas would be favored over Florida if they were playing? For that matter how many teams do think Vegas would install as favorites over Florida.

[Juice]

What does that have to do with the fact they were 3rd in the last BCS poll? Do you think #2 Texas would be favored over Florida if they were playing? For that matter how many teams do think Vegas would install as favorites over Florida.

But how many do you think would be an 11 point underdog?

[coasterville95]

I'm shocked the line only moved half a point on the news of Kelly's departure. I thought that would have had a bigger impact.

The new coach is NOT coaching the Sugar Bowl, so we won't really know how this all turns out till next Fall.

This just might be their most important coaching search/hire ever. If it works for them, their red hot football program will continue its rise into national prominence, Nippert will get that big expansion, and they will become a football school. If it doesn't work out for them, and their recent success is only a flash in the pan, then they will lose whatever momentum they have built, and Nippert will play host to 10,000 per game who are eager to have the chance to play in the Car Care Bowl.

It's really too early to call this decision, just that whichever way it goes it will change the shape of UC athletics in general.

[_LH]

I'm shocked the line only moved half a point on the news of Kelly's departure. I thought that would have had a bigger impact.

The new coach is NOT coaching the Sugar Bowl, so we won't really know how this all turns out till next Fall.

This just might be their most important coaching search/hire ever. If it works for them, their red hot football program will continue its rise into national prominence, Nippert will get that big expansion, and they will become a football school. If it doesn't work out for them, and their recent success is only a flash in the pan, then they will lose whatever momentum they have built, and Nippert will play host to 10,000 per game who are eager to have the chance to play in the Car Care Bowl.

It's really too early to call this decision, just that whichever way it goes it will change the shape of UC athletics in general.

I'm interested in seeing what kind of fan support 9-3 teams get. That is key. 9-3 is good but UC won't be in the top 10 or even top 15 at 9-3. Will 35K come to see 9-3 teams? Knowing UC fans, I doubt it.

[X-band '01]

The BE is second rate for football. Everyone knows that. If UC would have lost to Pitt, UC would have gone to the Car Care Bowl and not gotten a BCS at large bid. That speaks volumes about UC football and BE football.

I think UC would have gone to the Gator Bowl had they lost to Pitt - West Virginia would have been bumped down to the Car Care Bowl.

That being said, the biggest fall from grace was Kansas State back in the 1998 season. They were undefeated going into the Big 12 game and wound up losing in OT to Texas A&M. Their reward - a loss in the Alamo Bowl (which was then #4 in the Big 12 pecking order) to Purdue.

[_LH]

I think UC would have gone to the Gator Bowl had they lost to Pitt - West Virginia would have been bumped down to the Car Care Bowl.

That being said, the biggest fall from grace was Kansas State back in the 1998 season. They were undefeated going into the Big 12 game and wound up losing in OT to Texas A&M. Their reward - a loss in the Alamo Bowl (which was then #4 in the Big 12 pecking order) to Purdue.

The Gator Bowl wanted WVU over Pitt or UC due to Bowden.

Regardless, the point was that when an 11-1 team from a BCS conference that was #5 at 11-0 does not get an at large BCS Bowl bid, it shows how little the BE and that school are thought of.

[X-band '01]

Yes, I read a story on this. The tickets went to UC season ticket holders. There are 499 postings for tickets in the UC section on eBay. That is not 499 tickets. That is 499 postings offering to sell the tickets and that is eBay only. I hope that you will have a lot of fans in New Orleans, but I am also waiting to see how many UF fans are in the crowd in the UC sections.

There is an improvement over last year though. Tickets are going for 3X the $125 cost. Last year they went unsold at 99 cents.

It's a step in the right direction for UC if they did sell out their allotment - if they don't travel well and sell out, then they will be relegated to lower-tier bowl games like the International and Papajohns Bowls if they wind up in tiebreakers with teams like Pitt and West Virginia who have at least built up a recent history of traveling to bowl games.

[bearcat65]

But how many do you think would be an 11 point underdog?

Who knows. More would be than wouldn't be don't you think? Does that somehow diminish the fact that they had an undefeated season and are ranked where they are? Isn't that worthy of some degree of respect or are we supposed to feel less about it because of what the Vegas oddsmakers think?

[coasterville95]

I apologize, it seems some objective rational poster used my screen name :).

Did I say this was the most imortant coaching search/hire in UC history? I must not have been getting enough fluids, as clearly that was the Huggins replacement. (I'm not counting interim Andy Kennedy, who had more success in his one season as interim then Mick has had in three seasons of being head coach. Recall AK got well into the NIT with a team that even included football players who were asked to play hoops in their spare time) Let's look at Mick Cronin's profile .. Let's see it says here 1-3 against Xavier, with the 1 win being at home when he still had something that looked like fan support. Anecdotal notes say he hadn't even gotten all his personal effects into his office at that point. Further file notes reveal no NCAA appearances, make that not any post season appearances in tournaments that start witht the letter "N". Did play and lose one game in the CBI. File notes also reveal a missed Big East tournament and a Big East tournament opening round drubbing.

After reading how the basketball coach hire is doing for them, may I heartily wish them all the same success with their new football coach.

[_LH]

Who knows. More would be than wouldn't be don't you think? Does that somehow diminish the fact that they had an undefeated season and are ranked where they are? Isn't that worthy of some degree of respect or are we supposed to feel less about it because of what the Vegas oddsmakers think?

I think it shows what expert odds makers think of BE football.

[XUglow]

What does that have to do with the fact they were 3rd in the last BCS poll? Do you think #2 Texas would be favored over Florida if they were playing? For that matter how many teams do think Vegas would install as favorites over Florida.

What does it have to do with it? It has to do with whether your #3 ranking is legit or not. Sagarin's Predictor is probably the most legit measure that a team can have. He has UC at #12 and 9 point dogs to the Gators. #12 is very good, btw. You can certainly be proud of your accomplishements on the field this year, but having UC ahead of UF just shows how silly those polls are and not much else.

[bearcat65]

What does it have to do with it? It has to do with whether your #3 ranking is legit or not. Sagarin's Predictor is probably the most legit measure that a team can have. He has UC at #12 and 9 point dogs to the Gators. #12 is very good, btw. You can certainly be proud of your accomplishements on the field this year, but having UC ahead of UF just shows how silly those polls are and not much else.

Whether or not the ranking is legit will be settled in New Orleans January 1st. Which is how it should be.

[chico]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc09.htm

I agree about the SEC.

That puts them 4th with 8 teams. The advantage the Big East has in conference rankings is that they don't have as many teams as other conferences. Take the top 8 of the other big 6 and compare them to the big East (FYI, look where he has the independents ranked). I know Sagarin tries to smooth these out but it still favors the conferences without the fewer teams.

That being said, UC has had a tremendous year and as you mentioned in another post it will all be settled on the field. It's always interesting to see the conference bowl records.

[jdm2000]

It's basically the SEC and everybody else. There are occasional years when the Pac 10 and the Big 12 compete with them. The Big 10 is solid but not spectacular. The Big East has an argument that they're on par with the ACC but that's about it when talking about the Big Six.

This is interesting, and pretty much has become the accepted view over the last few years. The Big 10 especially gets compared unfavorably to the SEC in these situations.

Of course, the Big 10 is 7-6 versus the SEC in bowl games in the last five years, but that doesn't alter the perception (much of which comes from OSU's losses to Florida and LSU in the NC game) that the SEC is light years ahead of everyone else. And as they say, perception is reality...

[Masterofreality]

And as they say, perception is reality...

Just as this reality:

uc SucKS and udump blows.

[jdm2000]

(For the record, I think the SEC is the best conference in college football right now.)

[XUglow]

This is interesting, and pretty much has become the accepted view over the last few years. The Big 10 especially gets compared unfavorably to the SEC in these situations.

Of course, the Big 10 is 7-6 versus the SEC in bowl games in the last five years, but that doesn't alter the perception (much of which comes from OSU's losses to Florida and LSU in the NC game) that the SEC is light years ahead of everyone else. And as they say, perception is reality...

Interesting that you would use the a small data set to support an argument that you say was created by a small data set. The truth is that the #3 and #4 teams from the Big 10 match up well with the #3 and #4 teams from the SEC. Your data shows that. We sort of know what happens when the top teams meet. So, how do the teams stack up 1-11?

I said earlier that the Sagarin predictor is my favorite, so let's stick with that.

1st team #8 #1
2nd team #13 #3
3rd team #24 #15
4th team #32 #17
5th team #50 #25
6th team #67 #26
7th team #73 #27
8th team #74 #33
9th team #82 #36
10th team #89 #45
11th team #94 #48

Vandy is left alone at #91. I am guessing that you can figure out which column is the Big 10 and which is the SEC.

Interestingly enough, Penn St. is the second place Big Ten team at #13 team, but they are not in a BCS game and should be favored over LSU in the Capital One Bowl.

[vee4xu]

UC football has had more success in 2 years than Xavier basketball in 20.

When people know how to pronounce your name I will be impressed

Before reading this post, I wondered how even a UC fan could be on the way to negative post nirvana with so few posts. After reading this one, I surprised you aren't already there. I have been posting on Xavier basketball chatboards for 7 or 8 years. I have thousands of posts and read thousands of threads. This is THE stupidest post I have ever read. And that is saying something when you think about Pierre Dracot.