Notre Dame fight song...

[Ledgewood]

a public shellacking if this was mentioned...

but i heard rumors that we are trying to get the band to play the ND fight song for the bearcats at the shootout.


i hope this happens...

[Muskie]

I hope not... why in the world is that necessary? It doesn't sound terribly classy either.

[xudash]

Bad move.

Gerry Faust, just prior to being named ND's football coach, allowed/arranged/had the Moeller Pep Band attend a Xavier v. ND basketball game in Cincinnati where that band played ON BEHALF OF Notre Dame.

It was pathetic.

We don't need to stoop to this level - for anyone.

[DC Muskie]

I would be incredibly embarrassed if my school did this.

Our fight song should be the only played.

Then after we win.

Freebird.

[xsteve1]

Were Xavier not ND. I guess UC's band could play OSU's, Wake's, Providence's or Arizona's. Stupid idea.

[American X]

I disapprove, but I think the Blue Blob birthing a leprechaun at mid-court would be appropriate.

[XUOWNSUC]

I disapprove, but I think the Blue Blob birthing a leprechaun at mid-court would be appropriate.

Awesome.

[coasterville95]

Yup, this is where you have to consider what would be hillarious in the fantasy world versus the proper thing to do in the real world. Real world, niether the Xavier staff or students even mentions this on Sunday. But of course I predict somebody will do something to make light of it.

[Ledgewood]

well. i guess i got told.

[wkrq59]

well. i guess i got told.

Don't feel badly. It's not personal, it's just business. Let's keep it classy, ok? I do admit the Shootout looks like a dangerous evening for X. And I keep wondering why teams at both Cincinnati schools are stepping stones. Still, Go Muskies.:D:D:D

[XUOWNSUC]

The Blob should do an Irish jig at center court during a timeout.

Or better yet, have the Musketeer do the jig and rip off his shirt at the end of it like Michael Flatley (Lord of the Dance).

[paulxu]

I disapprove, but I think the Blue Blob birthing a leprechaun at mid-court would be appropriate.

Good idea...or how about the reverse? Just like in the ESPN commercial where it eats that guy's coat...have a little leprechaun come out and the Blob just scarf him up.

[coasterville95]

I wouldn't call it "getting told". You presented an idea, and we responded with very valid concerns why it isn't such a great idea.

A couple signs in the student section, fine, but any antics from the band, cheerleaders, Dartagnan, Blue Blob, the PA Announcer, the scoreboard, etc would be beyond the pale. You think the rivalry turned thermonuclear after the "No Handshake" game, just wait if we gave the impression we were, in a very public way, making fun of UC's misfortunes while the wounds are still open an raw.

Same thing goes with this forum, since we are merely a bunch of fans unofficially chatting up each other, we can openly make fun of them. Had this been a forum on the official Xavier site, that would be a different story.

I'm just glad we have such gracious hosts that are allowing us this sinful pleasure. I've seen a lot of opposing school forums and some of them are regulated to the point that if your post doesn't contain substantial and worthwile content about the host school, it's gone. Here we have very few locked and/or deleted threads, to the best of my knowledge. We seem to handle ourselves in a fairly mature manner. I'm sure it doesn't hurt that we are a sister site to a big Notre Dame fansite, so the fact we are excited, even if for perverse reasons, for the perceived advancement of their program has to curry favor.

[cutterX]

So wearing my ND hat to the shootout is out?

[XUOWNSUC]

So wearing my ND hat to the shootout is out?

Nope. I say screw class. Play the fight ND song. Wear your hats. uc sucks and I enjoy every attempt to belittle them.

[CinciX12]

So wearing my ND hat to the shootout is out?

I'll have my shirt on under my X shirt.

[drudy23]

Screw classy...I say do it.

This type of thing is what makes the Shootout great...controlled disrespect for your opponent by the fans. I think it would be awesome.

It's all in good fun. This is UC...when did we get so soft around here?

[drudy23]

Nope. I say screw class. Play the fight ND song. Wear your hats. uc sucks and I enjoy every attempt to belittle them.

You beat me to it...reps to you sir.

[MuskieCinci]

I'm all for being classy most of the year but not during the Crosstown. On the court it is pure hatred between the players as well as in the stands. Every single Xavier fan hates 100% everything about UC during the Crosstown and vice versa. Now I'm not saying we should be complete assholes but I definitely wouldn't mind being at the dick level for the Crosstown and then reverting back to sweet little angels after we smoke them on the court.

[MuskieCinci]

And to add to this, their star football player last year said at halftime of the Crosstown that if Xavier had a football team they would kick their ass. Not absolutely horrible but definitely on par with playing the ND fight song just days after the head coach at a football school left UC.

[brownlavender]

well there's a difference from the students being classy as well as us old fans. I for one want to start a chant that goes ooooh oooooh oohhhhhh you suck but that's just me. you combine that with a good BK messing and we could very well be in there heads. There's a reason we made top 10 places to play in a video game, and it's because of crazy fans like me and hopefully you to go that extra mile to make it harder to play

[Snipe]

I like the idea of taunting them by playing the ND fight song. I like any idea that insults them come shootout time. Class is overrated.

[jamal4xu]

Class is overrated.

Well said, well said.

[coasterville95]

Changing UC to You Suck was a lot of fun when we were at their place last year, we were handing it to them, and they did that stupid cheer every chance they got. I am having warm fuzzies remembering when we had like two entire lower bowl sections doing it. That and "politely" waving goodnight to their fans who were leaving early. Still though razzing the bearcats as they left the court ar halftime enough to get Cronin to throw his jacket on the ground was great.

How is that for crosstown classless acts, performed in the enemies home gym!!

[gladdenguy]

And to add to this, their star football player last year said at halftime of the Crosstown that if Xavier had a football team they would kick their ass. Not absolutely horrible but definitely on par with playing the ND fight song just days after the head coach at a football school left UC.

You beat me to it. That Conner Barwin was a real class act.

[nuts4xu]

If it is classless to play the ND fight song, the just play the fight song for the McNicholas Rockets.

Class is the most overused word in sports. I am over the word and don't give a rat's ass about any of my teams winning with "class". That's friggin gay.

[Snipe]

The more I think about it the more I like the idea. Please bring on the ND fight song. ESPN could catch that and take note. Nothing like salt in the wound baby.

[Juice]

If it is classless to play the ND fight song, the just play the fight song for the McNicholas Rockets.

Class is the most overused word in sports. I am over the word and don't give a rat's ass about any of my teams winning with "class". That's friggin gay.

I heard those copy cats play that song about 5 times last night at the X McNick game.

I personally think the ND fight song idea is hilarious. I believe everything is fair game for student section as long as the language isn't too bad and there aren't any really awful personal attacks.

[XURunner85]

I think it would be funny but I hope they don't, it is not the place to do it, but it would be funny

[Ledgewood]

Im not too sure how that is classless and how somethings like the U Suck thing is ok. Or how itd be ok for the blob to wear an irish hat or something is cool.


I guess I am just unclear on what is ok and what is not. I hate UC. I want to make them mad. Last year walking around UC before and after the game, all i hear is that Miller is going to leave us and we don't have a football team.

This is a rivalry. I want revenge for those comments, which were incredibly numerous. I see no problem with is, and i think itd be perfect to do it when we are winning with seconds left. I still support the idea.

[XU 87]

If it is classless to play the ND fight song, the just play the fight song for the McNicholas Rockets.



Very few people know that ND stole the McNick fight song, which was written by Fr. Haley in 1932.

[X-man]

I certainly hope that we don't rub UC's nose in it about ND's raid on their program. BK had every right to leave, just as our bball coaches did, but he appeared to do it in just as phony a way as Matta and Miller did. A lot of us, myself included, were not very happy with the way those guys left the Muskies. And I certainly wouldn't have appreciated it very much if I had to endure an OSU or UA fightsong in the immediate aftermath of their raids on our program. UC's fans are suffering already; let's not make it worse on that score. Instead let's beat their Bearkittens to a pulp on the Cintas floor tomorrow night.

[MuskieCinci]

I certainly hope that we don't rub UC's nose in it about ND's raid on their program. BK had every right to leave, just as our bball coaches did, but he appeared to do it in just as phony a way as Matta and Miller did. A lot of us, myself included, were not very happy with the way those guys left the Muskies. And I certainly wouldn't have appreciated it very much if I had to endure an OSU or UA fightsong in the immediate aftermath of their raids on our program. UC's fans are suffering already; let's not make it worse on that score. Instead let's beat their Bearkittens to a pulp on the Cintas floor tomorrow night.

I vote that we make it as bad as humanly possible. I have no sympathy during the Crosstown. On Crosstown day I want Clifton to burn to the ground, every UC student to fail their exam, every UC player to get headbutted by Kenny Frease and teabagged on a dunk by Jamel, and every UC fan have to endure Xavier's asskicking to them and the ND fight song for 40 minutes. Sympathy is for the other 364 days of the year.

[Xpectations]

When faced with major questions such as this one should simply ask, what would Pablo do?

[coasterville95]

I'm loving it, I just checked the two UC fansites I spy on most ofte, they are so distracted by this Coach Kelly deal that there has been very little Shootout related actvity. Maybe they will be too busy with a candlelight vigil at Nippert mourning the loss of their football program to even care about the game.

Amended: now checked four UC fansites, thanks to the links page provided here. They do remember we have a game tomorrow, right?

[Cheesehead]

I think it would be funny but I hope they don't, it is not the place to do it, but it would be funny

So, you seem ok with it then?

[???]

As a UC fan I would say go ahead and play the UC fight song. It is not going to bother any UC fans or anyone else for that matter. UC fans are ready for the next man in to hopefully keep the ball rolling. Nobody got bothered by the VaTech hats that the XU fans were wearing at the shootout last year. In fact, when I asked the old guy next to me with the VaTech hat on who XU's football team was playing in their bowl game, he felt alot dumber for wearing it. Especially considering he could have worn an XU hat and actually been showing support for his team. Why would XU's band play another school's fight song? Is it b/c people know who Notre Dame is?

Playing the ND fight song is funny. It would accomplish nothing and it would show just how Mid-Major XU really is. The program just cannot seem to get over that hump and are not really all that close. Well the chances are pretty much gone after the coaching change last year.

Miller handled taking his new gig just a little better than Brian Kelly but he was much better than Thad Matta did.

How is the Lexus doing down in Arizona? I know how the Buick is doing back here in Cincinnati.

[coasterville95]

Step on over to the Following Arizona thread (Around the NCAA forum) to find out how the Lexus is doing. They aren't doing so good, in short.

[Cheesehead]

As a UC fan I would say go ahead and play the UC fight song. It is not going to bother any UC fans or anyone else for that matter. UC fans are ready for the next man in to hopefully keep the ball rolling. Nobody got bothered by the VaTech hats that the XU fans were wearing at the shootout last year. In fact, when I asked the old guy next to me with the VaTech hat on who XU's football team was playing in their bowl game, he felt alot dumber for wearing it. Especially considering he could have worn an XU hat and actually been showing support for his team. Why would XU's band play another school's fight song? Is it b/c people know who Notre Dame is?

Playing the ND fight song is funny. It would accomplish nothing and it would show just how Mid-Major XU really is. The program just cannot seem to get over that hump and are not really all that close. Well the chances are pretty much gone after the coaching change last year.

Miller handled taking his new gig just a little better than Brian Kelly but he was much better than Thad Matta did.

How is the Lexus doing down in Arizona? I know how the Buick is doing back here in Cincinnati.

That's so funny and so clever too. Ha, Ha, Ha. Just as long as you don't wear your Kansas State and West Virginia shirts. If 2 Elite 8's and a Sweet 16 in past 5 years is mid major than I love it.

[???]

As for Connor Barwin last year, that was pretty funny. He was showing support for his school, not another and he at least kept it between the two rival schools.

Playing the ND fight song would not really be classless, it would just not be that big of a deal. A coach left to go to another school. Do XU fans rely on Notre Dame to bring them satisfaction in sports? They will have a team on the floor tomorrow night that has nothing to do with Notre Dame. Maybe XU is out of band songs b/c there band is Mid-Major too, I don't know

UC does play ND in hoops this year, maybe the XU band could play it so UC gets to hear it a little early. It is a pretty good song.

[xsteve1]

How is the Lexus doing down in Arizona? I know how the Buick is doing back here in Cincinnati.


Coach Lexus is down 19 to mid-major SDSU in the 2nd half.

[Cheesehead]

Can't wait for the Gators to throttle UC, now that it's a football school.

[xsteve1]

UC will be looking for a coach in hoops next year as well when Mick misses the tourney again this year. When will this years implosion happen? Mid January or early Feb.

[???]

That's so funny and so clever too. Ha, Ha, Ha. Just as long as you don't wear your Kansas State and West Virginia shirts. If 2 Elite 8's and a Sweet 16 in past 5 years is mid major than I love it.

It must have been you that I asked about the VaTech hat.

George Mason has a FInal Four, XU does not. George Mason is still Mid-Major.

Gonzaga is the school that graduated from the Mid-Major status. Butler might be on their way. XU took some steps back but does still have a chance. UD could as well if they keep Gregory around. Not too many teams like XU will be considered Big Time program b/c of Elite 8's. The tradition just is not there to use that argument.

[???]

UC will be looking for a coach in hoops next year as well when Mick misses the tourney again this year. When will this years implosion happen? Mid January or early Feb.


It will be Chris Mack if UC wants him.

[???]

Can't wait for the Gators to throttle UC, now that it's a football school.

Not going to argue that one. UC has been building football for about 6 years. 2 have been really good. We will see if they can keep it up. They have a unique situation and opportunity with their athletic programs.

Not ever going to compare UC's football to any SEC shool's. Not many programs can compare.

[???]

Coach Lexus is down 19 to mid-major SDSU in the 2nd half.

He wins with a mid-major and now losses to one. It happens. I have a feeling he will get it turned around at Arizona.

[Cheesehead]

It must have been you that I asked about the VaTech hat.

George Mason has a FInal Four, XU does not. George Mason is still Mid-Major.

Gonzaga is the school that graduated from the Mid-Major status. Butler might be on their way. XU took some steps back but does still have a chance. UD could as well if they keep Gregory around. Not too many teams like XU will be considered Big Time program b/c of Elite 8's. The tradition just is not there to use that argument.

....umm no on that hat thing. X has done more than Butler so I'm not sure about your logic on that one. UD was good in the 60's and 70's but one good year does not have them passing X as a program.

So to recap: wrong, wrong, and wrong.

[PM Thor]

As for Connor Barwin last year, that was pretty funny. He was showing support for his school, not another and he at least kept it between the two rival schools.

Playing the ND fight song would not really be classless, it would just not be that big of a deal. A coach left to go to another school. Do XU fans rely on Notre Dame to bring them satisfaction in sports? They will have a team on the floor tomorrow night that has nothing to do with Notre Dame. Maybe XU is out of band songs b/c there band is Mid-Major too, I don't know

UC does play ND in hoops this year, maybe the XU band could play it so UC gets to hear it a little early. It is a pretty good song.

Twice actually. Maybe UC can get more than 7,000 to show up at that game. I dunno, I have no faith in the UC fans to show up, considering that they haven't done so at all this year, or the last couple of years either. Hey, here's the funny thing, I BET that the ND game at Shoemaker is the biggest turnout of the year for UC, and I BET that there is a massive show of signs hating on ND. Not for their basketball team, but for Coach Kelly and the ND football team. Just wait and see. January 16.

Mid major? Ha! It must really suck to be a UC fan then to lose 9 of the last 13 to a mid major then. Again, Ha!

I HATE dayton.

[PM Thor]

It will be Chris Mack if UC wants him.

Ha

Ha

Ha

I HATE dayton.

[???]

Twice actually. Maybe UC can get more than 7,000 to show up at that game. I dunno, I have no faith in the UC fans to show up, considering that they haven't done so at all this year, or the last couple of years either. Hey, here's the funny thing, I BET that the ND game at Shoemaker is the biggest turnout of the year for UC, and I BET that there is a massive show of signs hating on ND. Not for their basketball team, but for Coach Kelly and the ND football team. Just wait and see. January 16.

Mid major? Ha! It must really suck to be a UC fan then to lose 9 of the last 13 to a mid major then. Again, Ha!

I HATE dayton.

The fans were good after football season last year. They will be fine from here on out.

I cannot argue about the signs. The UC stuents have a beef with UC and Brian Kelly. NOt sure why XU would get involved with supporting other schools instead of their own.

I cannot argue with that last point. It does suck. I feel that this trend will change now and that XU will never lead in the overall record. UC is 1-2 in the Cronin era, and I would put money on the fact that UC wins more out of the next 13? Not sure why we pick 13 but I will go with it. Crazy thing about this rival is the better team does not always win. UC had no business winning 3 years ago. UC owns the series.

[Cheesehead]

UC owns the series for now....

Recently, not so much and who knows what the future holds but I will take my Muskies to hold the line.

[PM Thor]

The fans were good after football season last year. They will be fine from here on out.

I cannot argue about the signs. The UC stuents have a beef with UC and Brian Kelly. NOt sure why XU would get involved with supporting other schools instead of their own.
I cannot argue with that last point. It does suck. I feel that this trend will change now and that XU will never lead in the overall record. UC is 1-2 in the Cronin era, and I would put money on the fact that UC wins more out of the next 13? Not sure why we pick 13 but I will go with it. Crazy thing about this rival is the better team does not always win. UC had no business winning 3 years ago. UC owns the series.

Maybe you should tell that to all the UC fans who bought KState and WVU gear when Huggins left.

I HATE dayton.

[???]

Maybe you should tell that to all the UC fans who bought KState and WVU gear when Huggins left.

I HATE dayton.

Well it was ridiculous but it it was supporting a former coach who they really liked. It was more of a boycott on the President and BOT and anger about the situation being handled poorly. It was a former coach they bought those for, not another school's football team. It was someone directly involved with UC. It was still a joke though. No excuses.

[coasterville95]

And then wore that shit to US Bank Arena to watch a game they had no stake in. Oh wait, they were still praying at the Shrine of Huggins. I believe we showed that night, too, that XU owns any Huggins coached team.

He even tried it again when he got to WV. Same great result.

Hey UC fans - Xavier thanks you for all the extra ticket proceeds we got from you going to idolize your former coach.

I still love the comment I heard on the radio leaving the arena that night: "Don't worry guys,you can still use those purple shirts to wipe up all the spilled nacho cheese and beer"

Makes me think - Hey guys, we know there are like 7,000 seats availble any given day at Fifth Third Arena, we could return the favor. Show up in ND gear, we don't actually have to watch the game, we could just have the annual "Beating the Flyers in Cincinnati for the umpteenth straight time" party. Nah, on second thought, why would we stoop to the level of UC fans. Though if one were a college basketball fan, our Dayton game should end at 1pm, and that game starts at 4pm, one could make a nice day of college basketball out of it...

[Juice]

Makes me think - Hey guys, we know there are like 7,000 seats availble any given day at Fifth Third Arena, we could return the favor. Show up in ND gear, we don't actually have to watch the game, we could just have the annual "Beating the Flyers in Cincinnati for the umpteenth straight time" party. Nah, on second thought, why would we stoop to the level of UC fans. Though if one were a college basketball fan, our Dayton game should end at 1pm, and that game starts at 4pm, one could make a nice day of college basketball out of it...

I went to the Miami UC game Thursday night and wore some Miami stuff and as I was walking out I realized I should have wore my ND stuff. I was so mad at myself.

[coasterville95]

I was also at that UC/Miami game courtesy of free tickets. I decided to go with neutral colors, just wore a christmas theme sweater. Besides its not like I have any blue/gold cothers or ND stuff.

Nor did I even think of it.


What I took away from that game was hope, as quite frankly UC did not look too good Thursday night. I'm not sure if its the UC fanbase, US Bank Arena or both, but that game, to me, seemed to have ZERO fan energy. We need to ensure that our Musketeers get all the fan energy they can stand, and more.

[???]

I went to the Miami UC game Thursday night and wore some Miami stuff and as I was walking out I realized I should have wore my ND stuff. I was so mad at myself.

So you are a Miami fan, XU Fan and ND fan? Nice. Way to show some loyalty to a team. I guess you can cover yourself when one or tow of them sucks.

At least ND is a big time team in hoops and in a respectable conference.

[AviatorX]

So you are a Miami fan, XU Fan and ND fan? Nice. Way to show some loyalty to a team. I guess you can cover yourself when one or tow of them sucks.

At least ND is a big time team in hoops and in a respectable conference.

Isn't this the guy that would post what he "was hearing" about certain recruits and always claim he was just here to share some friendly/pertinent info, nothing more? Looks like he's strayed from that a bit.

He won't be back after tomorrow night.

[???]

The XU fan base should just buy Notre Dame Snuggies and wear them. That would be cool. Snuggies. Sounds like alot of the fans on here want to where ND apparel over XU apparel b/c UC's former football coach is now coaching ND. You guys Brian Kelly fans?

[xubball93]

The XU fan base should just buy Notre Dame Snuggies and wear them. That would be cool. Snuggies. Sounds like alot of the fans on here want to where ND apparel over XU apparel b/c UC's former football coach is now coaching ND. You guys Brian Kelly fans?

The UC fan base should accept that Zimpher and the UC Board of Trustees did what they had to do: fire Huggins for screwing Jeff Wyler's wife, a major UC contributor. Huggins created his own demise.

[jamal4xu]

the uc fan base should accept that zimpher and the uc board of trustees did what they had to do: Fire huggins for screwing jeff wyler's wife, a major uc contributor. Huggins created his own demise.

zing!

[???]

Isn't this the guy that would post what he "was hearing" about certain recruits and always claim he was just here to share some friendly/pertinent info, nothing more? Looks like he's strayed from that a bit.

He won't be back after tomorrow night.

Part of this was because of the XU fans that came over to a couple UC boards and went off. Actually the first post that I wrote was about XU playing the ND fight song and why I thought it would be funny but what I thought it would do.

The thread I posted in last Saturday was something else. I really do know recruiting information and I like when XU is good. I am just firing back. I know it is on XU turf but like I said the first thing I read on a UC board yesterday was a couple of XU fans unloading.

I really do hate XU today, other than that it is the same arguments from the past, other than the apparel thing. Which I think the K-Sate, WVU was ridiculous and think the VaTech hats and ND song would make XU look like wannabe's or something. Not "unclassy" but just not confiedents and hoping that another school could get under the UC skin since maybe XU could not.

Trust me XU can easily get under UC fan's skin. It happens alot when they beat them and over the last 4 years it has been from XU success. I want XU to turn things around. I was just playing some defense.

I would extend a hand shake to everyone on this board if XU wins tonight. DO you think I am not worried abotu that? I think UC should win but I am not as confident in what will happen.

[???]

The UC fan base should accept that Zimpher and the UC Board of Trustees did what they had to do: fire Huggins for screwing Jeff Wyler's wife, a major UC contributor. Huggins created his own demise.


I agree. I wanted him gone. Most have accepted it. The timing was really bad. If it was done in April, they would not have lost 4 good recruits. Two juco's who would have been huge impacts as they were at the schools they left for.

The timing was the problem.

[Muncie]

I love the idea of the ND fight song. Great humor and would get under their skin. They are not a friendly rival they are the enemy. We all know that and know how long this war has been going on. If this will even rattle them a little, bring it out. The whole sporting world would laugh. ESPN would be all over it and anyone and everyone would get it. No one except UC fans likes UC. Huggs made sure of that.

[coasterville95]

Coach mack's Twitter just encouraged the student section to do "whatever it takes".

[Kahns Krazy]

The UC fan base should accept that Zimpher and the UC Board of Trustees did what they had to do: fire Huggins for screwing Jeff Wyler's wife, a major UC contributor. Huggins created his own demise.


I agree. I wanted him gone. Most have accepted it. The timing was really bad. If it was done in April, they would not have lost 4 good recruits. Two juco's who would have been huge impacts as they were at the schools they left for.

The timing was the problem.

As long as people keep saying it, I'll keep setting them straight... Huggins quit. He is a big quitting baby. He walked out on his contract. He was not fired. He said "give me a four year contract or I quit". UC said "We are not giving you a four year contract. Do what you have to do."

Boob Huggins is a quitter. He abandonded your little bearkittes. Boo hoo all day long about the timing, because it was all Huggins' doing.

[???]

As long as people keep saying it, I'll keep setting them straight... Huggins quit. He is a big quitting baby. He walked out on his contract. He was not fired. He said "give me a four year contract or I quit". UC said "We are not giving you a four year contract. Do what you have to do."

Boob Huggins is a quitter. He abandonded your little bearkittes. Boo hoo all day long about the timing, because it was all Huggins' doing.


He was fired. In August. He would not sign the contract in April(which was 4 years, and he wanted the roll over) and they did not fire him. They asked him to leave and told him they were going in a different direction and he would no longer be the coach. Tis happened in August after his recruits were locked in. Trust me.

Does not mater though. He is gone and XU is still second fiddle to UC and about 5 down the line in the city for sports.

[boozehound]

It must have been you that I asked about the VaTech hat.

George Mason has a FInal Four, XU does not. George Mason is still Mid-Major.

Gonzaga is the school that graduated from the Mid-Major status. Butler might be on their way. XU took some steps back but does still have a chance. UD could as well if they keep Gregory around. Not too many teams like XU will be considered Big Time program b/c of Elite 8's. The tradition just is not there to use that argument.

Many of these statements are almost indefensible, they are so false. Xavier has had more success than the other schools you mentioned, historical and particularly recently. You cannot defend these statements. You seriously over- represent your basketball knowledge. I guess that you haven't been paying much attention to basketball lately. Kind of like a lot of UC fans...

[XU 87]

It would accomplish nothing and it would show just how Mid-Major XU really is.

Well, if Xavier is mid-major, what does that make UC? Bottom feeder?

Before you start declaring how great your program is, and how it's better than Xavier's, shouldn't UC at least beat X every now and then? This rivalry is getting so one sided that this may eventually become a Xavier buy game.

[GuyFawkes38]

I think it's stupid, but X fans think that if they join a BCS conference, all of their angst and problems will go away.

The UC basketball program is a great example of how what really matters in college basketball is the people (especially coach) leading your program.