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XUOHTX
12-11-2009, 10:46 AM
Is that saying getting a little old now? Can't we come up with something better?
Pluto
12-11-2009, 10:47 AM
Catholics vs. Convicts
There, that is much better...
XUOHTX
12-11-2009, 10:50 AM
Not quite the difference I was thinking. I think we can do better...
UC observer
12-11-2009, 11:07 AM
Ha. Great. UC regains its spot as the premier basketball program after 2 or 3 years and it is no longer about basketball it is about having good kids.
danaandvictory
12-11-2009, 11:15 AM
Ha. Great. UC regains its spot as the premier basketball program after 2 or 3 years and it is no longer about basketball it is about having good kids.
Nope, over the last 30 years we've always had a good basketball team and generally good kids. You're the ones who cut corners. We do things the right way, you don't. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Does always include this years team?
Is it funny to you guys that your best player is always a transfer??
American X
12-11-2009, 11:20 AM
Jesuits vs. Juvies
Lance Stephenson and UC converge as naturally as the Ohio and Mississippi rivers.
Only some domesticated animal abuse could make it more fitting.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 11:25 AM
Lance Stephenson = Honor Student
he is also better than anyone X has ever recruited... Has X ever recruited a 5 star player??? Uc starts 2 on the current roster. We got these recruits during our wrost years.
Know your roll.
blueballs
12-11-2009, 11:26 AM
Lance Stephenson = Honor Student
he is also better than anyone X has ever recruited... Has X ever recruited a 5 star player??? Uc starts 2 on the current roster. We got these recruits during our wrost years.
Know your roll.
5 star player, blah. who cares. let's see if he is 5 stars when he finishes his career at UC (transfer, NBA, arrest, whatever)
Lance Stephenson = Honor Student
he is also better than anyone X has ever recruited... Has X ever recruited a 5 star player??? Uc starts 2 on the current roster. We got these recruits during our wrost years.
Know your roll.
Lance Stephenson must be your tutor.
Ha. Great. UC regains its spot as the premier basketball program after 2 or 3 years and it is no longer about basketball it is about having good kids.
If the college basketball season was seven games long, then yes, you've regained your spot as the premier program in the city.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 12:32 PM
No one has ever won the National Title without 5 star recruits. No one. X has never even had a shot at one.
It isnt just about 7 games into the season. It is about how UC can out recruit X even after our program was in shambles.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 12:33 PM
Oh and do you really have Mark Lyons as your pic.... really??
What has he done at X.
XU 87
12-11-2009, 12:34 PM
No one has ever won the National Title without 5 star recruits. No one.
Someone tell Maryland to give back their trophy.
XU 87
12-11-2009, 12:39 PM
What has he done at X.
I hate to keep correcting your grammar, or lack thereof, but when you ask a quesion you use a question mark (?) at the end of the sentence.
And when talking in the possessive, you use the word "their", not "there".
Finally, a "roll" is something you eat. In the future, don't confuse "roll" with "role".
Sincerely,
Your 4th grade English teacher
P.S. Please note the use of "your" as opposed to "you're".
chico
12-11-2009, 12:48 PM
Someone tell Maryland to give back their trophy.
And Villanova.
Muskied
12-11-2009, 12:49 PM
I'm confused....all this talk about recruiting better players has me confused....didn't Xavier recruit Derrick Brown, Josh Duncan, BJ Raymond, Justin Cage, Stanley Burrell, Justin Doellman...all not rated 5 star recruits, who have been to the elite eight more recently than any UC recruit has even advanced into the sweet 16? So who cares?
Forget your national championships or the fact Xavier has a top 25 recruiting class next year...or the fact that both of XU's and UC's best players likely wont even be here next year....just prove to me that UC can even win a meaningful game THIS DECADE!
And Xavier has had a better shot than UC has the past 4 years....cuz you have to be invited to the NCAA tournament to actually have a chance
xudash
12-11-2009, 01:17 PM
I hate to keep correcting your grammar, or lack thereof, but when you ask a quesion you use a question mark (?) at the end of the sentence.
And when talking in the possessive, you use the word "their", not "there".
Finally, a "roll" is something you eat. In the future, don't confuse "roll" with "role".
Sincerely,
Your 4th grade English teacher
P.S. Please note the use of "your" as opposed to "you're".
Ha! I love it. Well done 87. How expected is it to have a UC troll on here attempting to argue for UC while making a fool of himself.
Know your roll.
Classic.
I'm confused....all this talk about recruiting better players has me confused....didn't Xavier recruit Derrick Brown, Josh Duncan, BJ Raymond, Justin Cage, Stanley Burrell, Justin Doellman...all not rated 5 star recruits, who have been to the elite eight more recently than any UC recruit has even advanced into the sweet 16? So who cares?
Forget your national championships or the fact Xavier has a top 25 recruiting class next year...or the fact that both of XU's and UC's best players likely wont even be here next year....just prove to me that UC can even win a meaningful game THIS DECADE!
And Xavier has had a better shot than UC has the past 4 years....cuz you have to be invited to the NCAA tournament to actually have a chance
Burn. Game over.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:21 PM
I hate to keep correcting your grammar, or lack thereof, but when you ask a quesion you use a question mark (?) at the end of the sentence.
And when talking in the possessive, you use the word "their", not "there".
Finally, a "roll" is something you eat. In the future, don't confuse "roll" with "role".
Sincerely,
Your 4th grade English teacher
P.S. Please note the use of "your" as opposed to "you're".
haha ok. fine
Cant actually argue facts so you get on grammer. Thats fine. I dont really care about grammer on a message board and I am willing to bet most on here dont.
xudash
12-11-2009, 01:21 PM
I'm confused....all this talk about recruiting better players has me confused....didn't Xavier recruit Derrick Brown, Josh Duncan, BJ Raymond, Justin Cage, Stanley Burrell, Justin Doellman...all not rated 5 star recruits, who have been to the elite eight more recently than any UC recruit has even advanced into the sweet 16? So who cares?
Forget your national championships or the fact Xavier has a top 25 recruiting class next year...or the fact that both of XU's and UC's best players likely wont even be here next year....just prove to me that UC can even win a meaningful game THIS DECADE!
And Xavier has had a better shot than UC has the past 4 years....cuz you have to be invited to the NCAA tournament to actually have a chance
Let's be clear on one key thing: it is a fact that UC has a NC. It is in the books and there is no debating that. However, it was pre-1985, when the field was expanded to 64. Anyone who is a fan of college hoops knows the difference between hanging a banner before and after that year.
Whenever I hear UC fans babbling about their NC I am reminded of LaSalle fans, and that is not a compliment.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:23 PM
And Villanova.
Villanova was a big east school. Every big east school has 5 star players on it... kinda a rule.
Since McDonalds has done their AA team nobody has won a National Title without a member on their team.
X cant get into the conversation with these kids let alone land one.
XUOHTX
12-11-2009, 01:25 PM
No one has ever won the National Title without 5 star recruits. No one. X has never even had a shot at one.
It isnt just about 7 games into the season. It is about how UC can out recruit X even after our program was in shambles.
So UC has had so little success lately, especially compared to X that you have to dig deep to find anything that you guys have beat us in lately? Personally I measure my teams on their success and frankly...UC hasn't had any in a long time.
XU 87
12-11-2009, 01:25 PM
haha ok. fine
Cant actually argue facts so you get on grammer. Thats fine. I dont really care about grammer on a message board and I am willing to bet most on here dont.
When I get a little more time, we're going to have a little discussion about contractions and the use of an apostrophe (').
P.S. The word "grammar" is not spelled "grammer". I'm starting to think that you're stupid.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:26 PM
Let's be clear on one key thing: it is a fact that UC has a NC. It is in the books and there is no debating that. However, it was pre-1985, when the field was expanded to 64. Anyone who is a fan of college hoops knows the difference between hanging a banner before and after that year.
Whenever I hear UC fans babbling about their NC I am reminded of LaSalle fans, and that is not a compliment.
I would rather of multiple FF and a couple NC than never being in a Final Four.
Your program isnt that good or rich or whatever when you have never even been to a FF.
UC has been the #1 team in the country. X's biggest accomplishment is beating the #1 team, not being the #1 team.
UC has had Mcdonald AA
#1 picks
POY
Come on guys. X is a mid major in every way.
xsteve1
12-11-2009, 01:28 PM
Villanova was a big east school. Every big east school has 5 star players on it... kinda a rule.
Since McDonalds has done their AA team nobody has won a National Title without a member on their team.
X cant get into the conversation with these kids let alone land one.
You have one McDonalds AA on your team...and the only reason he's at UC is because nobody else would take a chance on him.
Your football team was winning with 0-3 star players.
XU 87
12-11-2009, 01:30 PM
Villanova was a big east school. Every big east school has 5 star players on it... kinda a rule.
Who on Villanova was a 5 star player?
And if possible, which at this point is subject to debate, please answer in proper English.
Oh and do you really have Mark Lyons as your pic.... really??
What has he done at X.
Need I remind you that you're on a Xavier message board?
Again...does anyone here visit UC message boards with such regularity? I can say with complete honesty I don't even know where one is. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't waste my time there.
XUOHTX
12-11-2009, 01:31 PM
I would rather (have had) multiple FF and a couple NC than never being in a Final Four.
Your program isnt that good or rich or whatever when you have never even been to a FF.
UC has been the #1 team in the country. X's biggest accomplishment is beating the #1 team, not being the #1 team.
UC has had Mcdonald AA
#1 picks
POY
So what you are saying is that you are a bunch of "has beens" and "have hads."
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:32 PM
You have one McDonalds AA on your team...and the only reason he's at UC is because nobody else would take a chance on him.
Your football team was winning with 0-3 star players.
Lance never even heard of Xavier (oh) when he was being recruited. Yancy should have been a McD's AA too.
xsteve1
12-11-2009, 01:33 PM
Need I remind you that you're on a Xavier message board?
Again...does anyone here visit UC message boards with such regularity? I can say with complete honesty I don't even know where one is. And if I did, I certainly wouldn't waste my time there.
UC message boards get very little traffic. You can catch most of their illiterates calling talk shows.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:33 PM
So what you are saying is that you are a bunch of "has beens" and "have hads."
Nope.
Lance will be a lottery pick this year and Yancy will eventually.
The tournament we will see about this year.
XU05and07
12-11-2009, 01:33 PM
I would rather of multiple FF and a couple NC than never being in a Final Four.
Your program isnt that good or rich or whatever when you have never even been to a FF.
UC has been the #1 team in the country. X's biggest accomplishment is beating the #1 team, not being the #1 team.
UC has had Mcdonald AA
#1 picks
POY
Come on guys. X is a mid major in every way.
Drew Lavender & David West are extremely mad at your cretinism.
I would rather have 2 Elite 8s in the last 5 years rather than play in the CBI or having to cry about my fat, drunk savior be shunned by my school
xsteve1
12-11-2009, 01:34 PM
Lance never even heard of Xavier (oh) when he was being recruited. Yancy should have been a McD's AA too.
Guess Lance must not have been watching much of the NCAA's the last 8 years. How's he an honor student again?
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:34 PM
UC message boards get very little traffic. You can catch most of their illiterates calling talk shows.
UC's message board usually has 3 or 4 times as many people on it then this one.
XU05and07
12-11-2009, 01:35 PM
Nope.
Lance will be a lottery pick this year and Yancy will eventually.
The tournament we will see about this year.
So Lance is using UC as a stepping stone...how does that feel
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:36 PM
Guess Lance must not have been watching much of the NCAA's the last 8 years. How's he an honor student again?
Ha how does him being an honor student ( he is btw ) relate in anyway to how much basketball he watches?
xsteve1
12-11-2009, 01:36 PM
UC's message board usually has 3 or 4 times as many people on it then this one.
Whats the link because Bearcatnews.com has very little traffic.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:36 PM
So Lance is using UC as a stepping stone...how does that feel
At least when people use UC as a stepping stone it results in lottery picks and BCS games and not A 10 titles
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:37 PM
Whats the link because Bearcatnews.com has very little traffic.
Currently has 310 users online, let me check this site
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:38 PM
84 here
XU05and07
12-11-2009, 01:38 PM
Ha how does him being an honor student ( he is btw ) relate in anyway to how much basketball he watches?
Must not take a lot to be an honor student at UC...just like none of your football players being able to get into ND so BK is asking for their admission standards to be lowered for transfers
xsteve1
12-11-2009, 01:38 PM
Lance won't be a lottery pick. Last mock draft had him going in the second round.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft
See number 49.
DC Muskie
12-11-2009, 01:39 PM
I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but has Mack tried to playdown the Shootout like Sean did? I haven't seen or heard anything like that.
gladdenguy
12-11-2009, 01:39 PM
Nope.
Lance will be a lottery pick this year and Yancy will eventually.
The tournament we will see about this year.
Its about time you made the tournament. 4 years and an entire college career is a long time.
During that time we won 7 NCAA tournament games.
When was the last time UC won an NCAA tournament game?
XU 87
12-11-2009, 01:39 PM
UC's message board usually has 3 or 4 times as many people on it then this one.
Even if true, which I doubt, you have about 10x the student body and alumni base than Xavier. And we have two message boards. So what does that tell you?
By the way, there are plenty of seats available for UC's next home game (about 7000 or so). So I ask again. What does that tell you?
XUOHTX
12-11-2009, 01:40 PM
our program was in shambles.
The fact is, Xavier has done it the right way. That translates year after year no matter how many coaches we lose or what players graduate (that is what your players don't do). Your program "was in shambles" after you lost your coach. Xavier's program has never been in shambles and never will be. We will continue our success and continue to be the best college basketball program in Cincinnati.
XU05and07
12-11-2009, 01:40 PM
At least when people use UC as a stepping stone it results in lottery picks and BCS games and not A 10 titles
How many NCAA games have you played in the last 5 years?
He chose UC because he needed a place to stay for a year...no one else wanted him...it's only a matter of time before he brings shame back to UC
XU 87
12-11-2009, 01:41 PM
Currently has 310 users online, let me check this site
Well of course you do, you idiot; you just lost your football coach.
But please remind all those posters about the 7000 available tickets for your next home game.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:42 PM
Most people are on their way down to the Sugar Bowl to watch the #3 bearcats play florida. Will probably travel 25000 down there so it is understandable that basketball may not be packed.
2 top 25 porgrams is tough to juggle you know.... well, you dont know but it is
XU05and07
12-11-2009, 01:44 PM
Most people are on their way down to the Sugar Bowl to watch the #3 bearcats play florida. Will probably travel 25000 down there so it is understandable that basketball may not be packed.
2 top 25 porgrams is tough to juggle you know.... well, you dont know but it is
People are traveling already? Are they idiots? I get that most don't work and feed off my tax dollars...but what are they doing? walking to New Orleans?
XUOHTX
12-11-2009, 01:44 PM
Horrible grammar, flawed & petty arguments, trolling another team's board....
Let's all guess XU Observer's age:
I'm going with 13
XUOWNSUC
12-11-2009, 01:47 PM
Quiet down! I'm listening to the Brian Kelly/ND news conference.
XU 87
12-11-2009, 01:48 PM
Most people are on their way down to the Sugar Bowl to watch the #3 bearcats play florida. Will probably travel 25000 down there so it is understandable that basketball may not be packed.
And what's your excuse for the 6200 who showed up yesterday? And the 6500 who showed up the game before? Have you guys had attendance over 7000 for any game this year?
You have 30,000 students and several hundred thousand alumni. Why does UC have such terrible fans who don't support the program?
XU 87
12-11-2009, 01:49 PM
Horrible grammar, flawed & petty arguments, trolling another team's board....
Let's all guess XU Observer's age:
I'm going with 13
I'm guessing he's a UC professor.
UC observer
12-11-2009, 01:49 PM
Horrible grammar, flawed & petty arguments, trolling another team's board....
Let's all guess XU Observer's age:
I'm going with 13
Ha. 6 years off
Im just trying to kick start somethin here. Shootout is right around the corner!
XU05and07
12-11-2009, 01:50 PM
Ha. 6 years off
Im just trying to kick start somethin here. Shootout is right around the corner!
So you're 7?
XUOHTX
12-11-2009, 01:52 PM
So you're 7?
Makes sense
Only a 7 year old would claim UC is back after not making the NCAA's since Huggins left and only a month into this season.
XU is the better program right now and has been in the modern era of college basketball. XU is the program coming off back to back Sweet 16's and two Elite 8's in recent years.
UC is one more missed NCAA Tournament from looking for a new coach.
xu2006
12-11-2009, 01:58 PM
Even if true, which I doubt, you have about 10x the student body and alumni base than Xavier. And we have two message boards. So what does that tell you?
By the way, there are plenty of seats available for UC's next home game (about 7000 or so). So I ask again. What does that tell you?
That is way too high level math for the troll.
I do, however, enjoy the fact that he bragged about his team being ranked number one when we beat them.
Tardy Turtle
12-11-2009, 02:17 PM
haha ok. fine
Cant actually argue facts so you get on grammer. Thats fine. I dont really care about grammer on a message board and I am willing to bet most on here dont.
Your apostrophe key seems to be broken.
newtsac
12-11-2009, 02:30 PM
No guys. It's all good. I like going into the Crosstown Shootout as dogs.
For some reason it always makes me think of some guy named Lenny Brown draining a fade away 2 as the clock expires.
Muskied
12-11-2009, 02:30 PM
BULLCRAP UC!
No one right now cares about UC's championship. You think Yancy Gates cares about UC's previous final 4's or championships? You think he wins conversations against his fellow opponents with that? You think he cares he was a highly ranked recruit? You think he cares about finnishing 7th in a respectable conference instead of first of a weak conference? I GUARANTEE all he knows is, Cleveland State has had a better chance at a national title than he has since he's been at UC.
This point is my most annoying point about UC fans...stop referencing your prior success...and what you THINK Xavier has a chance at. If you were a UCONN or Syracuse fan, fine...but reality is, you are less significant on the national scale than Xavier when you're not in the NCAA tournament....so go win something for a change....
Masterofreality
12-11-2009, 02:38 PM
Loyola Chicago has a more recent championship than SucKS.
Yeah. Real relevant today.
Smails
12-11-2009, 03:33 PM
Ha. 6 years off
Im just trying to kick start somethin here. Shootout is right around the corner!
I appreciate your effort..I really do. The problem is that you're bringing a knife to a gun fight. And it's a pocket knife.
xudash
12-11-2009, 04:54 PM
Maybe it's time to kill this thread.
Take your pick:
On the Xavier side, we keep responding to an illiterate, apparently 19 year old 'fan' of UC who is incapable of putting together a cogent thought, let alone understand how far superior Xavier's program is to UC's program presently. Why even respond to the poor, stupid fool.
To the poor misguided fellow from UC, you've clearly proven that Xavier bothers you. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here so much. We are certainly happier for UC that police horses are safer under Cronin's regime than they were when UC was regarded as a classless, dirty program.
UC's basketball program is behind Xavier's program in every regard as things stand presently, notwithstanding this season's early results, period.
wkrq59
12-11-2009, 05:30 PM
Lance Stephenson = Honor Student
he is also better than anyone X has ever recruited... Has X ever recruited a 5 star player??? Uc starts 2 on the current roster. We got these recruits during our wrost years.
Know your roll.
Hope you aren't a UC grad. If so, get a refund on your tuition--WROST???? ROLL???????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Muskieblue
12-11-2009, 07:48 PM
haha ok. fine
Cant actually argue facts so you get on grammer. Thats fine. I dont really care about grammer on a message board and I am willing to bet most on here dont.
if you would like to talk about facts, then you should be willing to say that uc, cannot hold a nasty game used jock strap to xavier.
Drew's Crew
12-11-2009, 07:52 PM
No one has ever won the National Title without 5 star recruits. No one. X has never even had a shot at one.
It isnt just about 7 games into the season. It is about how UC can out recruit X even after our program was in shambles.
University of Maryland did.
They didn't even have a 4 star recruit.
MuskiePimp23
12-11-2009, 11:44 PM
Lance Stephenson = Honor Student
he is also better than anyone X has ever recruited... Has X ever recruited a 5 star player??? Uc starts 2 on the current roster. We got these recruits during our wrost years.
Know your roll.
uc idiot...David West was not a 5 star recruit, but he will have a better college and NBA career than Lance Stephenson will ever have...Additionally Xavier is currently recruiting a lot of guys who are in the 5 star range and it is just a matter of time before we land one...Drew Lavender just missed being a 5 star guy, by one spot on Rivals and was a McD's AA...We have a four star and 3 Top 150 guys for next year (Top 25 class)...And the following year we already have 2 4 star, top 70 guys...Who does uc have? Oh that's right, the one PF who barely made the Top 150 and Chane Behanen...Oh yeah, he decommitted...Who owns the Series in the last 20 years? Xavier.
Games are not played on paper or on recruiting ranking sites, they are played on courts...That is why your program is a joke, you have not learned that yet...By the way...Love how my Irish stole your Coach.
BearcatShane09
12-12-2009, 01:27 AM
I respect the Xavier basketball program. I'm not one of those guys who roots for Xavier every game of the year except when they play UC, but I do have respect for XU. I think it would look great if Cincinnati had two top teams in UC and XU. As for the UC basketball players being criminals and convicts? Not anymore. When is the last time one of our players got into any type of legal trouble? I'v met Lance Stephenson twice, very nice guy. Pretty quiet though. I'm not a guy who likes to insult so instead of Eggsavier vs the Criminals I refer to the game as UC vs Xavier. As for the game, I like the Cats. They crash the glass relntlessly(I may have spelled that wrong, don't grill me) and play great man to man defense. The offense at times consists of four guys watching Lance try and do something, that is a problem. Hopefully that is improved by Sunday night. I like the Cats 75-67. Lets play a good one.
boozehound
12-12-2009, 09:44 AM
Most people are on their way down to the Sugar Bowl to watch the #3 bearcats play florida. Will probably travel 25000 down there so it is understandable that basketball may not be packed.
2 top 25 porgrams is tough to juggle you know.... well, you dont know but it is
It looks like you probably won't have to worry about the 2 programs in the Top 25 issue next year, will that help basketball attendance?
Fireball
12-12-2009, 10:41 AM
I respect the Xavier basketball program. I'm not one of those guys who roots for Xavier every game of the year except when they play UC, but I do have respect for XU. I think it would look great if Cincinnati had two top teams in UC and XU. As for the UC basketball players being criminals and convicts? Not anymore. When is the last time one of our players got into any type of legal trouble? I'v met Lance Stephenson twice, very nice guy. Pretty quiet though. I'm not a guy who likes to insult so instead of Eggsavier vs the Criminals I refer to the game as UC vs Xavier. As for the game, I like the Cats. They crash the glass relntlessly(I may have spelled that wrong, don't grill me) and play great man to man defense. The offense at times consists of four guys watching Lance try and do something, that is a problem. Hopefully that is improved by Sunday night. I like the Cats 75-67. Lets play a good one.
This game is definitely a WHOLE lot more fun when both teams are good. In fact, then entire college basketball season is a lot more fun when both teams are good.
Woodburn
12-12-2009, 11:11 AM
Horrible grammar, flawed & petty arguments, trolling another team's board....
Let's all guess XU Observer's age:
I'm going with 13
Wrong. Typical UC grad trash. I bet he's about to graduate Magna Cum Laude from Law School.
Cheesehead
12-12-2009, 11:23 PM
Lance Stephenson = Honor Student
he is also better than anyone X has ever recruited... Has X ever recruited a 5 star player??? Uc starts 2 on the current roster. We got these recruits during our wrost years.
Know your roll.
NBA All-Star David West ring a bell?
Cheesehead
12-12-2009, 11:27 PM
BTW: roll is role in the context that you tried to use it. Your role must be as a douche bag.
9 out of the last 13.....
danaandvictory
12-13-2009, 04:23 PM
The classy longtime UC fanbase apparently egged Brian Kelly's house and left an obscene sign in his yard last night.
I hope you get Kragthorped.
XUOHTX
12-13-2009, 04:38 PM
The funny thing about this thread is I started it asking if it was time to kill Catholics vs Criminals but an almost illiterate UC fan had to "try to start something." So maybe it should be "High education vs. Special education."
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