ND fans happy, UC fans sad

[XU05and07]

Brian Kelly will be the next coach at ND...and his deal cites that he will not coach in the Sugar Bowl.

[UC observer]

oooook.

Johanson tell you this? Kelly hasnt signed any deal as of right now.

[XU05and07]

I don't listen to that loser...he is gone...announcement Friday after he talks to his players at UC

[coasterville95]

Right, anouncement Friday as a courtesy to UC due to the Football Banquet.

[PMI]

Let me start off by saying that I HATE Notre Dame. But...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!

HA!

How many times have we heard Bearcats fans give us shit for being too small time to retain a good coach? Tell us our coaches will always leave for greener pastures? Their basketball program went through a stretch of suckiness and then Kelly comes along and they think they're a football school all of a sudden and then BAM! Gone. Have fun against Florida, peace!

What's great are the Bearcat fans who really thought he was theirs. As Xavier fans, we have learned to know better, but UC fans were innocent, naive creatures until now. They didn't think that he would do to them what he did to Central Michigan (dip out before the bowl game) just like we once featured several "shocked" fans when we had a coach walk out who dipped out of his alma mater after one year. I'm glad they get to feel this, especially now. Clifton sucks. UC sucks. Any concoction of a bear and a cat suck.

I hope Brian Kelly and the Irish fans enjoy the honeymoon while it lasts. The reincarnation of Lombardi couldn't win at that stuck-up, contorted program. But I would leave UC for that money too. Hopefully the football school won't be ready for Sunday.

[Juice]

I think the funniest part of all of this is that UC did not have the money to provide a serious counter offer to BK. They lost him without putting up much of a fight. Now they are also on the hook for the new practice bubble and practice fields.

[PMI]

Maybe they can lure away Urban Meyer or Nick Saban. I mean, they are a football school...

The only thing that would have made this better for me is if Kelly had left for Michigan and gone on to years and years of glory there.

[Masterofreality]

Let me start off by saying that I HATE Notre Dame. But...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HA!

HA!

How many times have we heard Bearcats fans give us shit for being too small time to retain a good coach? Tell us our coaches will always leave for greener pastures? Their basketball program went through a stretch of suckiness and then Kelly comes along and they think they're a football school all of a sudden and then BAM! Gone. Have fun against Florida, peace!

What's great are the Bearcat fans who really thought he was theirs. As Xavier fans, we have learned to know better, but UC fans were innocent, naive creatures until now. They didn't think that he would do to them what he did to Central Michigan (dip out before the bowl game) just like we once featured several "shocked" fans when we had a coach walk out who dipped out of his alma mater after one year. I'm glad they get to feel this, especially now. Clifton sucks. UC sucks. Any concoction of a bear and a cat suck.

I hope Brian Kelly and the Irish fans enjoy the honeymoon while it lasts. The reincarnation of Lombardi couldn't win at that stuck-up, contorted program. But I would leave UC for that money too. Hopefully the football school won't be ready for Sunday.

Classic. My vote for "Rant of the Month."

[coasterville95]

Maybe they can cancel that new athletic facility and Nippert expansion.

Is that the printing presses I hear up at Notre Dame preparing his business cards, stationery and the press packet materials for Friday for Brian Kelly?

Sign shop guy is probably already painting his name on his office in real GOLD paint too.

Hey, its the Fighting Irish, are they going to rename their playbook, "The Book of Kell(y)"

Is the Notre Dame catering department sending down some Guinness, Shepherd's Pie, Beef and Guinness Stew, Roasted Lamb, roasted potatoes, and Irish Coffee to be served at the UC Football Banquet?

Have we posted more Kelly to ND threads on THIS board than have been posted on goldenhelmet.com?

Can we get Notre Dame to play Miami (OH) at Paul Brown Stadium and have 30,000 UC fans there in ND colors?

Is reveling in the ill fortunes of UC and Arizona really helping our mood after our last few games?

[UC observer]

haha. He might leave.

But dont worry about uc football. They are goin to be really good for at least 2 or 3 years.

uc football has done more in 3 years than x has ever. #3 in the ranking is higher than x has ever or could ever get.

i dont think you will have to worry about someone taking mack

[D-West & PO-Z]

haha. He might leave.

But dont worry about uc football. They are goin to be really good for at least 2 or 3 years.

uc football has done more in 3 years than x has ever. #3 in the ranking is higher than x has ever or could ever get.

i dont think you will have to worry about someone taking mack

Man, still holding out hope? More power to you I guess. :rolleyes:

[Juice]

haha. He might leave.

But dont worry about uc football. They are goin to be really good for at least 2 or 3 years.

uc football has done more in 3 years than x has ever. #3 in the ranking is higher than x has ever or could ever get.

i dont think you will have to worry about someone taking mack

Yeah #3 out of about 120 D-1A football teams compared to top 10 finishes by XU basketball, a sport which has over 300 D-1 teams.

An Elite 8 is pretty damn similar to a BCS bowl game.

[XU05and07]

haha. He might leave.

But dont worry about uc football. They are goin to be really good for at least 2 or 3 years.

uc football has done more in 3 years than x has ever. #3 in the ranking is higher than x has ever or could ever get.

i dont think you will have to worry about someone taking mack

He will leave...and he did leave

[Kahns Krazy]

This thread could also be titled "ND fans Happy, UC fans sad, obsessed, jealous XU fans revel in hatred".

Some Xavier fans are coming across as really petty in this whole thing. For a group that has so recently been through (actually, you could argue that we're right in the middle of) the pains that losing a successful coach brings to a program, we're surprisingly quick to delight in the misfortunes of others.


What's great are the Bearcat fans who really thought he was theirs. As Xavier fans, we have learned to know better, but UC fans were innocent, naive creatures until now.

Seriously? Do you not remember Snipe's love fest post for Sean when he said he was staying? That was seven months ago. Everyone jumped on that crap.

What's next? Do we root for UC professors to lose their jobs? Players to get injured? What the hell.


How many times have we heard Bearcats fans give us shit for being too small time to retain a good coach?

On this board at least, I can't find any. I really don't recall any UC fans giving us shit when we lost Miller. Maybe I have selective memory, but I looked around some, and I couldn't find any.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This thread could also be titled "ND fans Happy, UC fans sad, obsessed, jealous XU fans revel in hatred".

Some Xavier fans are coming across as really petty in this whole thing. For a group that has so recently been through (actually, you could argue that we're right in the middle of) the pains that losing a successful coach brings to a program, we're surprisingly quick to delight in the misfortunes of others.



Seriously? Do you not remember Snipe's love fest post for Sean when he said he was staying? That was seven months ago. Everyone jumped on that crap.

What's next? Do we root for UC professors to lose their jobs? Players to get injured? What the hell.



On this board at least, I can't find any. I really don't recall any UC fans giving us shit when we lost Miller. Maybe I have selective memory, but I looked around some, and I couldn't find any.

Ugh, shut up.

Your trying to tell me UC fans havent made fun of Xavier losing coaches? Seriously? Just because it isnt on this board doesnt mean it didnt happen. I'm not going over to their board making fun of them, but trust me I will busting my UC buddies' balls.

[XU 87]

But dont worry about uc football. They are goin to be really good for at least 2 or 3 years.

uc football has done more in 3 years than x has ever. #3 in the ranking is higher than x has ever or could ever get.

i dont think you will have to worry about someone taking mack

I doubt those 40-50 ranked recruiting classes that Kelly brought in will continue UC's glory. You had better face the facts - Kelly is a superb coach who did an absolute tremendous job with relatively mediocre recruiting classes. It is HIGHLY doubtful that the next coach will come even close to what Kelly did.

And you should show better manners to us Xavier fans, particularly those of us who live in Ohio. Until the last few years, your football program had been losing millions of dollars for years. The only reason it's still around is because it was subsidized via our tax dollars.

So instead of talking smack with us, maybe you should thank us for all of our support over the years.

[DC Muskie]

This thread could also be titled "ND fans Happy, UC fans sad, obsessed, jealous XU fans revel in hatred".

Some Xavier fans are coming across as really petty in this whole thing. For a group that has so recently been through (actually, you could argue that we're right in the middle of) the pains that losing a successful coach brings to a program, we're surprisingly quick to delight in the misfortunes of others.

What's next? Do we root for UC professors to lose their jobs? Players to get injured? What the hell.

Of course there are those few Xavier fans who are upset that Kelly is leaving UC.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Of course there are those few Xavier fans who are upset that Kelly is leaving UC.

Reps.

[CinciX12]

As a Notre Dame football fan and a Xavier basketball fan, today doesn't get much better.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This thread could also be titled "ND fans Happy, UC fans sad, obsessed, jealous XU fans revel in hatred".

Some Xavier fans are coming across as really petty in this whole thing. For a group that has so recently been through (actually, you could argue that we're right in the middle of) the pains that losing a successful coach brings to a program, we're surprisingly quick to delight in the misfortunes of others.



Seriously? Do you not remember Snipe's love fest post for Sean when he said he was staying? That was seven months ago. Everyone jumped on that crap.

What's next? Do we root for UC professors to lose their jobs? Players to get injured? What the hell.



On this board at least, I can't find any. I really don't recall any UC fans giving us shit when we lost Miller. Maybe I have selective memory, but I looked around some, and I couldn't find any.

The more I keep reading this post the more stupid I realize it is. We get it you are a UC football fan, sorry for your loss.

The Miller saying no to Arizona was completely different than this situation. Miller was not in the middle of the season having to say no because he was busy coaching. There was no reason for anyone to think he was blowing smoke up our asses. Brian Kelly IS in season and he still isnt denying meeting with ND and that he might not coach in the Sugar Bowl. No UC fan should have believed he is staying.

And yes Kahns, because we are happy that UC is getting a little taste of what they have mad fun of us in the past about, that means we want UC professors to lose their jobs as well. We also want all their players to be severely injured. :rolleyes:

[XU05and07]

As a Notre Dame football fan and a Xavier basketball fan, today doesn't get much better.

I'm gonna rain on your parade...Brian Kelly getting hired at ND is like getting a slimmed down version of Charlie Weis

No defense.

[drudy23]

I agree that some of our fans are a little petty about rubbing it in towards UC.

But then I remembered, it's UC week...petty away. In fact, it's more or less required this week.

Double in fact, there are way too little threads of hatred for UC...I think I'll start one.

[coasterville95]

[QUOTE=Kahns Krazy;156927]This thread could also be titled "ND fans Happy, UC fans sad, obsessed, jealous XU fans revel in hatred".

It IS Crosstown week after all!

In the absence of real good high quality smack talk, this is the next best thing. I don't think we really care who coaches UC this year or next, it's the fact that their fan base is going through all of this right before the Crosstown game that makes it so great. I mean, I don't think we could write smack that would have such a demoralizing effect on their fan base.

That said, over at the UC fan boards, they ARE in fact making this a battle cry to take their new frustrations out on us on Sunday. So maybe that whole demoralizig angle isn't working either.

[Kahns Krazy]

I'm gonna rain on your parade...Brian Kelly getting hired at ND is like getting a slimmed down version of Charlie Weis

No defense.

I think Kelly would be thrilled that his name was associated with slim anything.

[Lamont Sanford]

I agree that some of our fans are a little petty about rubbing it in towards UC.

But then I remembered, it's UC week...petty away. In fact, it's more or less required this week.

Double in fact, there are way too little threads of hatred for UC...I think I'll start one.

As much as this pains me, reps to drudy!

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing Mardy Gilyard get smoked by a Florida LB ala Hines Ward did to Keith Rivers.

[bearcat65]

While it sounds like Kelly is gone one should remember that last week Bob Stoops to Notre Dame was a done deal. As big a circus as this has been I wouldn't bet on what is going to happen until someone is actually announced as the new coach at Notre Dame.
If it's Kelly so be it, many predicted the demise of UC football when Dantonio left and we see how that worked out.

[kyxu]

While it sounds like Kelly is gone one should remember that last week Bob Stoops to Notre Dame was a done deal. As big a circus as this has been I wouldn't bet on what is going to happen until someone is actually announced as the new coach at Notre Dame.
If it's Kelly so be it, many predicted the demise of UC football when Dantonio left and we see how that worked out.

No, it wasn't.

And even if it was, Stoops repeatedly and publicly denied his interest in Notre Dame, which is way different than Brian Kelly who basically prepared his team for his departure before their sweat from the Pitt win had dried.

Having said that, I'm hearing the Kelly to ND thing is in no way a done deal and that ND may be considering UConn's Edsall as well.

What a circus this whole ND coaching thing has been.

[DC Muskie]

What a circus this whole ND coaching thing has been.

You mean since 1998?

Yeah, then I agree. It's been too long of a circus.

[XU05and07]

While it sounds like Kelly is gone one should remember that last week Bob Stoops to Notre Dame was a done deal. As big a circus as this has been I wouldn't bet on what is going to happen until someone is actually announced as the new coach at Notre Dame.
If it's Kelly so be it, many predicted the demise of UC football when Dantonio left and we see how that worked out.

The same person that told me that the Stoops thing was a media made story told me that Kelly was gone...I'll take their word on matters surrounding UC

[kyxu]

You mean since 1998?

Yeah, then I agree. It's been too long of a circus.

1996

But yes, it has been.

Notre Dame gets bigger headlines when it fires another coach to look for another one than for anything it does on the field.

[American X]

At least Kelly is Irish.

Did they even ask Urban Meyer?

What is the rush with coaching hires? Why cannot they wait until the bowls are finished? Is it to have a coaching staff out there recruiting?

[bearcat65]

No, it wasn't.

And even if it was, Stoops repeatedly and publicly denied his interest in Notre Dame, which is way different than Brian Kelly who basically prepared his team for his departure before their sweat from the Pitt win had dried.

Having said that, I'm hearing the Kelly to ND thing is in no way a done deal and that ND may be considering UConn's Edsall as well.

What a circus this whole ND coaching thing has been.

We know it wasn't, that doesn't change the fact that some were reporting it as a done deal despite the fact that Stoops was denying it. Of course we also know that there have been cases of coaches denying something only to find out they were lying.

[D-West & PO-Z]

At least Kelly is Irish.

Did they even ask Urban Meyer?

What is the rush with coaching hires? Why cannot they wait until the bowls are finished? Is it to have a coaching staff out there recruiting?

Recruiting would be my guess.

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm glad I signed up for tweets from 700 WLW.

Apparently, Cunningham called Kelly pro-abortion.

In all seriousness, Kelly is a passionate liberal. Maybe he did make a couple pro-choice quotes in the past. I thought it might make some conservative forces at ND queasy. But I guess not.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I'm glad I signed up for tweets from 700 WLW.

Apparently, Cunningham called Kelly pro-abortion.

In all seriousness, Kelly is a passionate liberal. Maybe he did make a couple pro-choice quotes in the past. I thought it might make some conservative forces at ND queasy. But I guess not.

If he turns ND into a winner, they could care less I'm sure

[kyxu]

[QUOTE=bearcat65;156972]We know it wasn't, that doesn't change the fact that some were reporting it as a done deal... [QUOTE]

Like who? A bum in Mishawaka throwing up into a trash can?

There were definitely whiffs of a Stoops to ND possibility, but no credible sources were reporting it as a done deal...certainly not to the extent of the Kelly to ND connection. That's my point. The two situations are not comparable.

[Juice]

I'm glad I signed up for tweets from 700 WLW.

Apparently, Cunningham called Kelly pro-abortion.

In all seriousness, Kelly is a passionate liberal. Maybe he did make a couple pro-choice quotes in the past. I thought it might make some conservative forces at ND queasy. But I guess not.

They let Obama speak at graduation, but obviously with a lot of protest.

If he wins they won't care.

[GuyFawkes38]

They let Obama speak at graduation, but obviously with a lot of protest.

If he wins they won't care.

yeah, I'm sure that's true. Especially when you look at big picture of ND outside of football.

But I think ND football supporters might be more conservative than the rest of the school. And maybe there's a couple big donor supporters that would have an objection.

But yeah, probably not.

[bearcat65]

[QUOTE=bearcat65;156972]We know it wasn't, that doesn't change the fact that some were reporting it as a done deal... [QUOTE]

Like who? A bum in Mishawaka throwing up into a trash can?

There were definitely whiffs of a Stoops to ND possibility, but no credible sources were reporting it as a done deal...certainly not to the extent of the Kelly to ND connection. That's my point. The two situations are not comparable.

There was a clip from a tv station in Oklahoma that were reporting on it but I'll agree that it's nothing compared to what is being reported on Kelly however no one knows how credible any of the Kelly stuff is either. Tommy Tuberville still thinks Edsell will be named Notre Dames coach based on what he has been told.

[nickgyp]

I have a cousin who played football at Notre Dame and he advised me at lunch last week that Kelly was a "pro-choice" Catholic. While that may or may not be true, he did support Gary Hart in the past so there may be some credence to the rumor. Nonetheless, Notre Dame did allow Obama to speak at graduation so I guess there always can be good ole dialogue.

I am no longer the ardent Irish football fan hat I once was in my youth and as much as Kelly possibly being "pro-choice", I am as much bothered by his statement that he could not guarantee he would coach UC in the Sugar Bowl. While I am certainly a Bearcat football fan, it really sucks that any coach would lead a team so far and then have the chutzpah to leave as they reach the summit so to speak.

In a day and age where loyalty has been thrown out the window, what does this say to young people about commitment? What does this say about Notre Dame if it takes Kelly while not allowing him to coach in the Sugar Bowl? (I'd say I would expect better especially from the school in South Bend but after the Obama fiasco, I will refrain.)

[bearcat65]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4728474

ESPN is now reporting that Edsell and Notre Dame have mutual interest. This whole thing is just proving to me that the media outlets are more interested in getting it first instead of getting it right. I don't think anyone knows how this is going to play out.

[Kahns Krazy]

I have a cousin who played football at Notre Dame and he advised me at lunch last week that Kelly was a "pro-choice" Catholic. .)


I know some Catholics that are more offended by this concept than they are abortion itself.

[Cheesehead]

I find it hilarious that Kelly will be the next ND head coach. Screw UC and screw ND.

[DC Muskie]

I have a cousin who played football at Notre Dame and he advised me at lunch last week that Kelly was a "pro-choice" Catholic. While that may or may not be true, he did support Gary Hart in the past so there may be some credence to the rumor. Nonetheless, Notre Dame did allow Obama to speak at graduation so I guess there always can be good ole dialogue.

I am no longer the ardent Irish football fan hat I once was in my youth and as much as Kelly possibly being "pro-choice", I am as much bothered by his statement that he could not guarantee he would coach UC in the Sugar Bowl. While I am certainly a Bearcat football fan, it really sucks that any coach would lead a team so far and then have the chutzpah to leave as they reach the summit so to speak.

In a day and age where loyalty has been thrown out the window, what does this say to young people about commitment? What does this say about Notre Dame if it takes Kelly while not allowing him to coach in the Sugar Bowl? (I'd say I would expect better especially from the school in South Bend but after the Obama fiasco, I will refrain.)

Focus more on the bolded section.

Thanks.

[xavierj]

Focus more on the bolded section.

Thanks.

It should be about what kind of football coach he is, not his stance on abortion. I mean do they ask every professor and student if they are pro-choice or pro-life before being allowed on campus? I mean the guy is a football coach. If they hire Edsall they are idiots. That guy will set the program back farther than anyone over the last 25 years and that is saying something. Edsall has a losing record in the Big East the last two years and has only beaten Notre Dame. I mean what is it, if you can beat us you can coach us regardless of the fact that you could not win a close game other than ND to save your life. If they hire Edsall, Brian Kelly will rap up another undefeated season next year at UC and ND will rap up another embarrassment. I am a ND fan and Kelly has to be the choice. He can win big at ND, he is as good as it gets. If he were at ND this past year they would not have lost a game.

[DC Muskie]

As much as I hate UC and ND, Brian Kelly has by far the best resume of any coach ND has had in a long time. Kelly wins.

Ty didn't really
Davie was assistant
Weis...well...Weis was one hell of an offensive coordinator.

[GoMuskies]

Weis was one hell of an offensive coordinator.

I prefer to think that Weis was a whale of an offensive coordinator.

[kyxu]

In a day and age where loyalty has been thrown out the window, what does this say to young people about commitment? What does this say about Notre Dame if it takes Kelly while not allowing him to coach in the Sugar Bowl? (I'd say I would expect better especially from the school in South Bend but after the Obama fiasco, I will refrain.)

National signing day is less than a month after the major bowls conclude. Coaches like Kelly if he were to go to Notre Dame would have to get a jump on recruiting, which would preclude him from remaining with his team for the Sugar Bowl.

Charlie Weis was haughty enough to think he could help coach New England through the Super Bowl in late January and then hit the recruiting trail right after. As a result, his first recruiting class was atrocious, and some point to that as ND's reason for a lack of depth in many positions later in Weis's tenure.

Leaving your team before its bowl game to coach at the new job isn't really about loyalty. It's about whether you feel like succeeding at your next stop. It's practically a necessity.

[xsteve1]

I get the feeling Kelly is going to stay. The UC fans are making it very hard for him to leave with the outpouring of public support. Reminds me of the Huggins to WVU situation 6 or so years ago. I think he's using this leverage to get a new deal in the 3-4 million a year category.
I do think Kelly would win big at ND it's a huge upgrade in talent level compared to what he's winning with at UC.

[xavierj]

As retarded as the ND athletic department is they may not even be talking with Kelly. For all we know Kelly wants the people of Cincinnati to massage his ego and is looking to bilk some more cash from the cash strapped University of Cincinnati. I mean the only person who said ND was talking with Brian Kelly is Kelly himself. ND never said they were. Who knows?
I also wonder if the tone in Cincinnati will change toward Kelly. They have been hammering him today about being a pro-baby killer as one host said and bringing up his problems on how he handled issues at Central Michigan. I am sure he will go back to being a Saint and they will throw him a parade if he ends up staying in Clifton.

[CinciX12]

I'm gonna rain on your parade...Brian Kelly getting hired at ND is like getting a slimmed down version of Charlie Weis

No defense.

I don't buy that. With a bigger name attached to him he should be able to get the better defensive recruits that just had no interest in UC.

Key word of course being should.

[XU 87]

Wasn't the UC defense pretty good his first two years? He lost 10 starters this year, which explains all the problems on defense.

[PMI]

This thread could also be titled "ND fans Happy, UC fans sad, obsessed, jealous XU fans revel in hatred".

Some Xavier fans are coming across as really petty in this whole thing. For a group that has so recently been through (actually, you could argue that we're right in the middle of) the pains that losing a successful coach brings to a program, we're surprisingly quick to delight in the misfortunes of others.



Seriously? Do you not remember Snipe's love fest post for Sean when he said he was staying? That was seven months ago. Everyone jumped on that crap.

What's next? Do we root for UC professors to lose their jobs? Players to get injured? What the hell.



On this board at least, I can't find any. I really don't recall any UC fans giving us shit when we lost Miller. Maybe I have selective memory, but I looked around some, and I couldn't find any.

Kahns you're usually better than this. "Sad, obsessed, jealous XU fans?" Seriously? Please explain what that's supposed to mean.

I don't understand the cards you're playing. Who said anything about UC teachers' jobs or players getting injured. I was saying I'm happy to see their FAN BASE suffer, the same FAN BASE that gives Xavier fans shit. I'm pretty sure you've lived in Cincy longer than the four years I put in there, but if you really haven't gotten that from any UC fans then all I can say is, wow.

In any case, I'm going to go puke now that I have to come on here and see XU fans defend those guys during this of all weeks. UC FANS! Really?

[Pablo's Brother]

I'm glad I signed up for tweets from 700 WLW.

Apparently, Cunningham called Kelly pro-abortion.

In all seriousness, Kelly is a passionate liberal. Maybe he did make a couple pro-choice quotes in the past. I thought it might make some conservative forces at ND queasy. But I guess not.

ND is not that conservative. Remember, giving President Obama the honorary degree?

[danaandvictory]

I get the feeling Kelly is going to stay. The UC fans are making it very hard for him to leave with the outpouring of public support.

They are?

[DC Muskie]

I get the feeling Kelly is going to stay. The UC fans are making it very hard for him to leave with the outpouring of public support. Reminds me of the Huggins to WVU situation 6 or so years ago. I think he's using this leverage to get a new deal in the 3-4 million a year category.
I do think Kelly would win big at ND it's a huge upgrade in talent level compared to what he's winning with at UC.

I just want to point out that UC has a rep of not traveling to bowl games. So with all that outpouring, they didn't outpour themselves to Miami last year, and I'm pretty sure even if Kelly stays they will not outpour themselves to New Orleans.

But on the West of Cincinnati, UC fans will definitely outpour there.

[XUglow]

Orange Bowl tickets went unsold at 99 cents on eBay last year.

As for staying around, Bo Pellini coached the defense at LSU, won the NC, and then went to Nebraska. Dan Mullen coached the offense at UF, won the NC, and then went to Mississippi State.

[GuyFawkes38]

ND is not that conservative. Remember, giving President Obama the honorary degree?

I completely get the point that ND isn't very conservative.

But I do think that ND fans and supporters (most of whom aren't officially connected to the school) are generally a more conservative group.

And like I've said a few times, Kelly's liberal stances along with the manner in which he handled a murder trial for a former player have raised flags before. From what I've heard, part of the reason Michigan St and Iowa St. turned down Kelly before UC was because of that.

of course, Kelly is a much hotter coach now than he was at Central Michigan. So it's probably easier to overlook that kind of stuff.

[Juice]

Orange Bowl tickets went unsold at 99 cents on eBay last year.

As for staying around, Bo Pellini coached the defense at LSU, won the NC, and then went to Nebraska. Dan Mullen coached the offense at UF, won the NC, and then went to Mississippi State.

Yeah but those coaches were playing for a national championship.

Charlie Weis did wait until February to take over for ND because he was in a Super Bowl.

I think it is admirable what those coaches did but BK is simply playing for a Sugar Bowl win, which is big especially for UC but not on the same level.

[Kahns Krazy]

Kahns you're usually better than this. "Sad, obsessed, jealous XU fans?" Seriously? Please explain what that's supposed to mean.

I don't understand the cards you're playing. Who said anything about UC teachers' jobs or players getting injured. I was saying I'm happy to see their FAN BASE suffer, the same FAN BASE that gives Xavier fans shit. I'm pretty sure you've lived in Cincy longer than the four years I put in there, but if you really haven't gotten that from any UC fans then all I can say is, wow.

In any case, I'm going to go puke now that I have to come on here and see XU fans defend those guys during this of all weeks. UC FANS! Really?

Well, as a small point of clarity, the sad went with "UC Fans Sad". The jealous part stems from the fact that nobody on this board ever posted shit about the UC football team until they got good. The obsessed part has to do with the sheer number of UC/Brian Kelly related posts on this board this year. Obsessed is probably over the top. It is a major news story. Regardless, to me, it comes across petty.

I'm not defending UC fans. I'm a little surprised that X fans who are so recently stung by the loss of a successful coach are rubbing salt in anyones wounds about the same thing.

Some people feel the rivalry between the schools in total and some see it between the basketball programs. I am one of the ones that see it between the basketball programs. I guess it's because other than that, the schools are totally different In general, they aren't competing for the same students, they offer different programs, they have very different campuses.

I'm sure your experience as a student differs from mine as a life-long Cincinnati resident. I find it difficult to "hate" the entire University. I know a good number of Xavier basketball fans that are Cincinnati natives that feel the same way. Obviously, there are others that don't, but typically, they have another college football team they root for. I really don't.

So go ahead. Tell me to shut up. Tell me you're going to puke. If you hate UC so much that you need to be inulting to a fellow Xavier basketball fan that happens to like the UC football program as well, I guess that's your right. Carry on.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Well, as a small point of clarity, the sad went with "UC Fans Sad". The jealous part stems from the fact that nobody on this board ever posted shit about the UC football team until they got good. The obsessed part has to do with the sheer number of UC/Brian Kelly related posts on this board this year. Obsessed is probably over the top. It is a major news story. Regardless, to me, it comes across petty.

I'm not defending UC fans. I'm a little surprised that X fans who are so recently stung by the loss of a successful coach are rubbing salt in anyones wounds about the same thing.

Some people feel the rivalry between the schools in total and some see it between the basketball programs. I am one of the ones that see it between the basketball programs. I guess it's because other than that, the schools are totally different In general, they aren't competing for the same students, they offer different programs, they have very different campuses.

I'm sure your experience as a student differs from mine as a life-long Cincinnati resident. I find it difficult to "hate" the entire University. I know a good number of Xavier basketball fans that are Cincinnati natives that feel the same way. Obviously, there are others that don't, but typically, they have another college football team they root for. I really don't.

So go ahead. Tell me to shut up. Tell me you're going to puke. If you hate UC so much that you need to be inulting to a fellow Xavier basketball fan that happens to like the UC football program as well, I guess that's your right. Carry on.

Ya, Kahns, you have never been insulting to any fellow Xavier basketball fan on this board. :rolleyes:

Not even when you described some in this thread as "obsessed and jealous".

Was there ever really a time this board was around where UC football wasnt good? They have won double digit wins the last 3 years and most people didnt join this board until Jan. '08.

[Snipe]

Brian Kelly will be the next coach at ND...and his deal cites that he will not coach in the Sugar Bowl.

If Notre Dame is demanding that as part of his contract he cannot coach his UC kids in the Sugar Bowl I think that is below classless.

I could understand if UC said "Thanks but nothanks", but I don't get it if Notre Dame actually put that in his deal. What in the hell is the point of that?

[Snipe]

Seriously? Do you not remember Snipe's love fest post for Sean when he said he was staying? That was seven months ago. Everyone jumped on that crap.


Who exactly is this Sean that you speak of?


Of course there are those few Xavier fans who are upset that Kelly is leaving UC.

I have been a UC football fan all my life. I want Kelly to stay. I think he is a genius and a good man (perhaps my favorite liberal besides you DC). I used to have season tickets. I have taken my boys to games and we watch them together. College football is awesome, and the brand that Kelly brought to UC has been entertaining and quite fulfilling. They were one second away from playing for the national title. And this is Cincinnati we are talking about. Blows the mind.


I agree that some of our fans are a little petty about rubbing it in towards UC.

But then I remembered, it's UC week...petty away. In fact, it's more or less required this week.

Double in fact, there are way too little threads of hatred for UC...I think I'll start one.

Drudy gets reps. It is ok to be petty during shootout week.

One thing that makes me bitter is this: Lets say Nebraska pulls out the victory over Texas and that UC was playing in the national championship game. Does anyone think that Kelly would have left Cincinnati and walked away from a chance to play for a national championship. That one second put back on the clock stings. It took away the chance at the title and it may have taken away the future of Cincinnati football. It sucks to be so close and then see everything now about to fall apart.

I really want Kelly to stay. He is great for the city of Cincinnati. And as 87 has noted, Kelly gets taxpayers off the hook by getting UC football to support itself. Nothing wrong with that either.

[danaandvictory]

If Notre Dame is demanding that as part of his contract he cannot coach his UC kids in the Sugar Bowl I think that is below classless.

Well, that's exactly what UC did when they hired Kelly away from CMU, so it's certainly not unprecedented.

If Kelly takes the ND job they will probably expect him to begin recruiting and putting a coaching staff in place from day one. Given the money involved, I'd say that it's reasonable for them to require he make the jump instantly.

[Snipe]

I guess that seems reasonable in a sense. It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I know it wouldn't just be one game but the couple weeks of practice leading up to it as well. If anything, Kelly should fly into the game on game day, sit in the press box with some headphones on and offer his council on the calling of plays. It is not like the plays will have changed. He could show up and be a great help.

He isn't gone yet though. I know it is wishful thinking but I like the fact that it isn't officially over. It ain't over till its over. Cincinnati is a great town and he could own the press and own the town. People like the guy. Notre Dame is a graveyard where coaches go to die.

[vee4xu]

I read somewhere along the way in this thread that UC will be good for another 2-3 years. Assuming Kelly is gone, those of us with experience in these matters know that players de-commit and transfer when coaches leave. UC will be no exception to this kind of fallout. Thus, I would not be so sure that they'll be good the next couple of years.

[Snipe]

They need to keep the offensive coordinator if Kelly leaves, which means they need to make him the new coach. Kerry Combs might be an emotionally fun choice, but they need to keep some of the mind that went into the spread offense.

[XU05and07]

If Notre Dame is demanding that as part of his contract he cannot coach his UC kids in the Sugar Bowl I think that is below classless.

I could understand if UC said "Thanks but nothanks", but I don't get it if Notre Dame actually put that in his deal. What in the hell is the point of that?

Here is the thing about ND...they were once this untouchable and prestigious program. They are no longer that, but they still believe they are. They are just another program struggling to be successful.

The reason that ND wouldn't want him to coach the Sugar Bowl is two-fold:
1. They want him to start with his new team right away
2. Most importantly - They don't want to have their new hire lose on national tv to a coach that they really wanted but couldn't pry away.

ND isn't playing in a bowl game for 1 reason...they are 6-6...they don't want to have a losing record after another embarrassing bowl performance (some prestigious program)

[XU 87]

I just read an interesting article that says Kelley is the frontrunner but that he is making certain demands to take the job. My guess is that one of the demands is admission standards. But the article goes on to say that if those demands aren't met, then the UConn coach becoms the frontrunner.

Stay tuned.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Here is the thing about ND...they were once this untouchable and prestigious program. They are no longer that, but they still believe they are. They are just another program struggling to be successful.

The reason that ND wouldn't want him to coach the Sugar Bowl is two-fold:
1. They want him to start with his new team right away
2. Most importantly - They don't want to have their new hire lose on national tv to a coach that they really wanted but couldn't pry away.

ND isn't playing in a bowl game for 1 reason...they are 6-6...they don't want to have a losing record after another embarrassing bowl performance (some prestigious program)

I think that has probably almost nothing to with it. They would ask any coach to start right away. Also Florida beating UC would do nothing to take away any accomplishments from Brian Kelly.

[PM Thor]

UC fans are a joke. They follow whomever is doing better. 5 years ago you could walk into any UC football game for free. Now this year, even with a Top 25 ranked team in basketball, little old Xavier is outdrawing them in attendance by quite a margin.

UC fans can whine about whether a coach is leaving or not, talking about "support" and the whatnot. It's a sham. They are a frontrunning, bandwagon jumping bunch of ninnies. They have a good basketball team, but the students/alums/so called fans don't care. Not at all. Look at their attendance numbers. They don't lie.

I hope Kelly leaves, UC builds the practice facilities, and in 3 years the bubble will be hosting womens indoor soccer games for age 45 and above.

I HATE dayton.

[PMI]

Well, as a small point of clarity, the sad went with "UC Fans Sad". The jealous part stems from the fact that nobody on this board ever posted shit about the UC football team until they got good. The obsessed part has to do with the sheer number of UC/Brian Kelly related posts on this board this year. Obsessed is probably over the top. It is a major news story. Regardless, to me, it comes across petty.

I'm not defending UC fans. I'm a little surprised that X fans who are so recently stung by the loss of a successful coach are rubbing salt in anyones wounds about the same thing.

Some people feel the rivalry between the schools in total and some see it between the basketball programs. I am one of the ones that see it between the basketball programs. I guess it's because other than that, the schools are totally different In general, they aren't competing for the same students, they offer different programs, they have very different campuses.

I'm sure your experience as a student differs from mine as a life-long Cincinnati resident. I find it difficult to "hate" the entire University. I know a good number of Xavier basketball fans that are Cincinnati natives that feel the same way. Obviously, there are others that don't, but typically, they have another college football team they root for. I really don't.

So go ahead. Tell me to shut up. Tell me you're going to puke. If you hate UC so much that you need to be inulting to a fellow Xavier basketball fan that happens to like the UC football program as well, I guess that's your right. Carry on.

Kahns do you need a hug? I didn't tell you to shut up. I didn't take any shots at you at all. I didn't say anything that could be taken as an insult to you. You are clearly a bit sensitive about this issue whereas it really means nothing to me (yet I'm the obsessive one...) I simply think it's a funny dose of irony for UC fans I know that are about to get stung by the same thing they gave my XU friends and I shit about for years.

As for obsessive, you will be hard pressed to search this board and find many more posts about UC football from me. In fact, I'm a Michigan fan and I've hardly even gotten into any college football debates in general. Obsessive/jealous could not be farther from my feelings about UC football. I'm more in the camp of not really caring about the team one way or another, understanding that they have a good coach, and finding it funny that certain people get to go through what they have given me shit about when I went through. My shot as at the fans, period. I will not retract it.

Why are you surprised about rubbing salt in the wounds? I've never shied away from that before or pretended to be forgiving and understanding. I hold grudges, and those clowns have done it me about two of my team's coaches. Perhaps a better title would be "Unsympathetic XU fans amused by the stench of irony coming from down the road."

[Lamont Sanford]

Interesting to hear that the stumbling point with ND and BK is ND's reluctance to lower academic standards that BK is demanding. Nice. What a great leader of student-athletes.

[XUglow]

Yeah but those coaches were playing for a national championship.

Charlie Weis did wait until February to take over for ND because he was in a Super Bowl.

I think it is admirable what those coaches did but BK is simply playing for a Sugar Bowl win, which is big especially for UC but not on the same level.

The Sugar Bowl might very well be for 2nd place. UC is 3rd. They jump the loser of the NC game if they win. If Bama wins and UF wins, UF will jump to at least 3rd or higher depending upon how TCU plays.

[Kahns Krazy]

Kahns do you need a hug? ."

I could use one, yes, thanks. Preferably from Glow's harem.

[coasterville95]

Interesting to hear that the stumbling point with ND and BK is ND's reluctance to lower academic standards that BK is demanding. Nice. What a great leader of student-athletes.

That and the whole "We won't redshirt" anybody thing. I can see BK's protestations over the no redshirt thing. I mean that way you get the frosh a year to assimilate into the team and then can still play them for 4 years. Remember football is a competetive sport, the Redshirt is a tool in the schools toolbox. If they want to be competetive again, they need to take advantage off all tools they can get their hands on. You can betcha their oppoents are.

As far as academic standards, go ND, don't sell out. Just don't expect a top flight football program either.

[xavierj]

That and the whole "We won't redshirt" anybody thing. I can see BK's protestations over the no redshirt thing. I mean that way you get the frosh a year to assimilate into the team and then can still play them for 4 years. Remember football is a competetive sport, the Redshirt is a tool in the schools toolbox. If they want to be competetive again, they need to take advantage off all tools they can get their hands on. You can betcha their oppoents are.

As far as academic standards, go ND, don't sell out. Just don't expect a top flight football program either.

They do red shirt they just do it a different way. ND has had many guys play a 5th year but the way they do it is invite you back for that 5th year if they want you to. If you do not play as a freshman at ND you still may have the opportunity to play 4 whole years but it is up to the coaches. What is the difference if they officially do it or just wait for the time to come to make the decision?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091210/SPT0101/312100063/1064/Report++Kelly+has+talked+to+Swarbrick

[Kahns Krazy]

UC fans are a joke. They follow whomever is doing better. 5 years ago you could walk into any UC football game for free. Now this year, even with a Top 25 ranked team in basketball, little old Xavier is outdrawing them in attendance by quite a margin.

UC fans can whine about whether a coach is leaving or not, talking about "support" and the whatnot. It's a sham. They are a frontrunning, bandwagon jumping bunch of ninnies. They have a good basketball team, but the students/alums/so called fans don't care. Not at all. Look at their attendance numbers. They don't lie.

I hope Kelly leaves, UC builds the practice facilities, and in 3 years the bubble will be hosting womens indoor soccer games for age 45 and above.

I HATE dayton.


I agree. Bandwagon fans are annoying. Like all those people that bought Bengals tickets during the playoff run then bailed after last season. Ninnies.

I think Mike Brown is drooling at the idea that UC will have a practice facility on eBay in a few years. We all know how that guy loves a bargain on damaged goods.

[DC Muskie]

I could use one, yes, thanks. Preferably from Glow's harem.

If they are taking numbers I'd like a ticket please.

[PMI]

Interesting to hear that the stumbling point with ND and BK is ND's reluctance to lower academic standards that BK is demanding. Nice. What a great leader of student-athletes.

While I won't defend Kelly because I really don't know how he handles the academic standards at UC, (wow I can't believe I just wrote "academic standards at UC") I have to say that I don't disagree with his sentiment, at least to an extent. Notre Dame has absurdly high academic standards for a football program that thinks it can compete for national titles. I wouldn't blame any rational, competitive coach for not wanting to go to ND for any reason other than money because quite frankly they do a some things there that suggest that winning championships is by no means their top priority. Money and academics are ahead of winning, which is fine, but if I'm a competitor with high aspirations there are places I'd rather be than South Bend.

[UC observer]

UC Football team has done very well in the classroom. Best of all the BCS schools

[xudash]

I have a cousin who played football at Notre Dame and he advised me at lunch last week that Kelly was a "pro-choice" Catholic. While that may or may not be true, he did support Gary Hart in the past so there may be some credence to the rumor. Nonetheless, Notre Dame did allow Obama to speak at graduation so I guess there always can be good ole dialogue.

I am no longer the ardent Irish football fan hat I once was in my youth and as much as Kelly possibly being "pro-choice", I am as much bothered by his statement that he could not guarantee he would coach UC in the Sugar Bowl. While I am certainly a Bearcat football fan, it really sucks that any coach would lead a team so far and then have the chutzpah to leave as they reach the summit so to speak.

In a day and age where loyalty has been thrown out the window, what does this say to young people about commitment? What does this say about Notre Dame if it takes Kelly while not allowing him to coach in the Sugar Bowl? (I'd say I would expect better especially from the school in South Bend but after the Obama fiasco, I will refrain.)

It says 'money comes first' to those with the talent that enables them to perform at the highest level (i.e. pro leagues, top college jobs, etc.). For those that are in more of the 'student-athlete' mode, it doesn't say anything, because IT has moved on.

[kyxu]

While I won't defend Kelly because I really don't know how he handles the academic standards at UC, (wow I can't believe I just wrote "academic standards at UC") I have to say that I don't disagree with his sentiment, at least to an extent. Notre Dame has absurdly high academic standards for a football program that thinks it can compete for national titles. I wouldn't blame any rational, competitive coach for not wanting to go to ND for any reason other than money because quite frankly they do a some things there that suggest that winning championships is by no means their top priority. Money and academics are ahead of winning, which is fine, but if I'm a competitor with high aspirations there are places I'd rather be than South Bend.

Players have to make the grade to get in to ND, but they certainly aren't held to the same admissions standards as their non-athlete classmates. It's fairly high as far as D-I athletes are concerned, but believe it or not, there are plenty of talented HS players who are also decent students.

Admissions standards aren't the reason ND loses to Syracuse, Navy, UConn, etc. With the exception of USC, Notre Dame was more talented than probably every opponent on its schedule this year.

So, the standards might help explain why ND doesn't compete for national championships anymore, but they don't explain why ND doesn't compete at all.


UC Football team has done very well in the classroom. Best of all the BCS schools

Yeah, and UC also has an open admissions policy, which is drastically different from Notre Dame.

[XUglow]

UC Football team has done very well in the classroom. Best of all the BCS schools

Can you provide a link showing that UC football has done the best of all BCS schools?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

700wlw twitter reporting kelly has informed the captains he is leaving

http://twitter.com/700wlw

Also UC has closed off the banquet to media

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4731918

[PM Thor]

I agree. Bandwagon fans are annoying. Like all those people that bought Bengals tickets during the playoff run then bailed after last season. Ninnies.

I think Mike Brown is drooling at the idea that UC will have a practice facility on eBay in a few years. We all know how that guy loves a bargain on damaged goods.

Ha! That's pretty good Kahns. It made me laugh, even if the comparison is flawed. My reason to originally get my Bengals tickets was because I could afford them at the time. Now? I had to choose between a season ticket for the Chickey, or continue to support a Mike Brown team. Considering that I have absolutely no faith in Brown and the fact that I vowed to never line that mans pocket (if I can help it), the choice was easy.

I HATE dayton.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Confirmed. Kelly will coach ND

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091210/SPT0101/312100083/1064/Report++Kelly+to+Notre+Dame

http://southbendtribune.com/article/20091210/SPORTS13/912109927/1129/News

[XU05and07]

Confirmed. Kelly will coach ND

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091210/SPT0101/312100083/1064/Report++Kelly+to+Notre+Dame

http://southbendtribune.com/article/20091210/SPORTS13/912109927/1129/News

I confirmed it yesterday...geez :D

[XUOWNSUC]

Stepping Stone.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I confirmed it yesterday...geez :D

haha, well....I will rep your initial post....

Lets just say it was confirmed through prior confirmation as of 20 minutes ago.

[PM Thor]

Mark the date, January 16th. UC basketball plays Notre Dame in Cincy. That should be intersting.

I HATE dayton.

[Kahns Krazy]

Ha! That's pretty good Kahns. It made me laugh, even if the comparison is flawed. My reason to originally get my Bengals tickets was because I could afford them at the time. Now? I had to choose between a season ticket for the Chickey, or continue to support a Mike Brown team. Considering that I have absolutely no faith in Brown and the fact that I vowed to never line that mans pocket (if I can help it), the choice was easy.

I HATE dayton.

Glad you saw the humor in it. The reality is that the bandwagon is a fact of fandom. People have legitimate reasons to stop attending games, such as yours, even for winning teams. Rarely do new fans start following losing teams though.

UC"s basketball team has sucked for long enough that some real damage has been dealt to the fan base, in their case precipitated by what some idiot UC fans felt was the improper handling of the Huggins quitting situation. (He quit. It's a fact. Mention that to any UC fan and watch them get all pissy about it. ) If they stay ranked, the fans will slowly come back.

I doubt Xavier is immune to the same thing. Damn good thing we just win win win.

I wonder if the betting line will move on the bowl game?

[pizza delivery]

Ah geeze....

Okay, I'm done being bummed for UC.

Let's go Irish!!!!!!!!!

[pizza delivery]

Was Kelly one second from ditching the freaking National Championship game? LOL!

[coasterville95]

Can you provide a link showing that UC football has done the best of all BCS schools?

I think this might be the article he is referring to...

http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111909aab.html

That said, I can't believe I wasted 90 seconds backing up sources for a UC fan.

[coasterville95]

These are still "Sources Say" I want to hear it from a source that consists of a high ranking Notre Dame Athletics Dept official saying it in front of a TV camera and microphone. Then I'll believe it.

Not that I'm saying I don't think its true,just that I would hold off on the celebrations. As they say at the track, "Please hold all tickets until the results are declared official"

That said, recall in the other thread I said I won tickets to tonight's UC game? Should be very interesting to listen in on some conversations. Note to self: Leave smirk and all signs of sadistic glee in the US Bank Arena parking lot. Hey it's UC/Miami I am scouting future opponents :)

Oh, and does this remind you of any threads on here right after Coach Lexus ditched us?
http://forums.bearcatnews.com/showthread.php?t=7083goto=newpost

[GuyFawkes38]

I think when it comes down to it, there's only one person to blame for Kelly leaving....Nancy Zimpher.

[PMI]

Players have to make the grade to get in to ND, but they certainly aren't held to the same admissions standards as their non-athlete classmates. It's fairly high as far as D-I athletes are concerned, but believe it or not, there are plenty of talented HS players who are also decent students.

Admissions standards aren't the reason ND loses to Syracuse, Navy, UConn, etc. With the exception of USC, Notre Dame was more talented than probably every opponent on its schedule this year.

So, the standards might help explain why ND doesn't compete for national championships anymore, but they don't explain why ND doesn't compete at all.


I don't disagree at all (athletes aren't expected to be Rhodes scholars anywhere), but let's be honest, ND fans aren't happy beating Navy, UConn, etc. The school has like a dozen national titles from the stone age and their fans want to return to that level, the top of college football. It's a totally unreasonable expectation but it is what it is, which is why I maintain that there's really no positive for Kelly going there other than money/power/tradition which is the strongest combination there is. He will be held to a standard by their 1 billion fans that no mortal man can reach at that school in my opinion. It's not like Charlie Weis never competed by the definition above, and I think he's a big old turd so don't mistake me for his fan, but I don't think he ever had a shot to please the ND faithful and I'm not sure Kelly does either. Hell, my ND friends are already complaining about the hire! Not a hot seat I'd want any part of (until I see that first pay check of course.)

[xubball93]

ESPN reporting that Kelly will not coach UsuCk in the Sugar Bowl.

Some of the signs at the Uc/Miami game are pretty funny.

[GuyFawkes38]

Whoever josh pichler is, he has some very juicy tweets at (including comments from a lot of pissed off players):
http://twitter.com/joshpichler

These 2 are interesting:


Mike Thomas tells Bill Koch every effort was make to keep Kelly. Said football program is better for having Kelly here. #bearcats

and


Kelly says search for new coach will start as soon as possible. "when it's complete, I'll have something to say." #bearcats

Doesn't look like this thing is ending nicely. There's no doubt that after a new coach is hired, Kelly will make claims about UC's lack of effort to keep him.

[Raoul Duke]

UC football has had very good academics under Kelly.

[Masterofreality]

"Mike Thomas tells Bill Koch every effort was make to keep Kelly."

Ha!. Yeah. That 35,000 seat stadium that hasn't been expanded since, oh, I don't know, about 1965 is some effort.

That fat $1.4 mil contract for your BCS bowl football coach that is about 1/3 of what Top 10 coaches usually make is some effort.

SucK it Clifton.

[PM Thor]

I went to the Enquirer site to see what the response would be, it's even better than I expected. Holy crap those people are LOSING it. I wish I didn't relate to it in some way when X lost our last 2 coaches, but wow, I mean, just wow. They are delusional in their feelings about UC football.

I HATE dayton.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Anyone see Brian Kelly's twitter??

That was fast:

http://twitter.com/coachbriankelly

[danaandvictory]

I went to the Enquirer site to see what the response would be, it's even better than I expected. Holy crap those people are LOSING it. I wish I didn't relate to it in some way when X lost our last 2 coaches, but wow, I mean, just wow. They are delusional in their feelings about UC football.

My personal opinion is that Matta and Miller dissembled and lied to fans and players in a far more egregious fashion than Kelly. In fact, I think Kelly has been relatively above-board in the way he's handled this situation. Kelly didn't depart Cincy in a Chevy Lumina (with Dow in hot pursuit) 24 hours after he took himself out of the running for the job, nor did he tell the AD he was staying hours before hopping on a plane.

What's hilarious is these morons who have been UC football fans for all of two years (and that's generous, most didn't jump on the bandwagon until they closed in on the Big East title last year) are treating this like some great affront to their fragile honor as lifelong Bearcat fans. Spare me the psychodrama. My uncle played at UC in the late 70s, I went to lots of games at Nippert as a kid and NO ONE was there. The way these clowns act you'd think UC had a Ohio State/Michigan/Alabama level of support. I wonder if they bought new UC stuff when the football team got good, or if they just wore the stuff hidden in their closet behind the K-State and West Virginia gear?

[coasterville95]

Can we trust Coach Kelly's Twitter, or is it still "Hacked". In fact that might be TOO fast to be legit. You would think he wouldn't unveil the Notre Dame skin until after hisnew employer at least had the right to be the first to publicly announce his appointment.

BTW - In a fit of insanity,UC put Coach Kelly's picture up on the jumbotron tonight. You know the loud booing that erupts at Cintas whenever Matta gets mentioned, well it was like that. What made it even better is they managed to time it right during one of their own players foul shots!

Crowd tonight was sparse, I had two seats and we could have easily spread out into say 5 or 6 seats. Quite frankly, I didn't really see much that impressed me out of either sUCks or Miami. Vegas said tonight would be a blowout, but it was actually a very close game.

"Cincinnati Committed to Coombs" was a great sign, yeah you know the guy for what all of 3 hours?

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Can we trust Coach Kelly's Twitter, or is it still "Hacked". In fact that might be TOO fast to be legit. You would think he wouldn't unveil the Notre Dame skin until after hisnew employer at least had the right to be the first to publicly announce his appointment.

BTW - In a fit of insanity,UC put Coach Kelly's picture up on the jumbotron tonight. You know the loud booing that erupts at Cintas whenever Matta gets mentioned, well it was like that. What made it even better is they managed to time it right during one of their own players foul shots!

Crowd tonight was sparse, I had two seats and we could have easily spread out into say 5 or 6 seats. Quite frankly, I didn't really see much that impressed me out of either sUCks or Miami. Vegas said tonight would be a blowout, but it was actually a very close game.

"Cincinnati Committed to Coombs" was a great sign, yeah you know the guy for what all of 3 hours?

The initial report that his twitter was hacked was incorrect. The enquirer released his twitter as being legit.

1530 discovered this right before the UC basketball game so Kelly must have immediately worked on it after the banquet

[PM Thor]

Official attendance, 6,280.

Yeah, I seriously doubt that number. Was this game included in season ticket holders packages too? I assume yes, so that would mean that UC has a season ticket fanbase probably below 4500 or so. But I am guessing at that. Nice group of "fans" you got there UC.

I HATE dayton.

[xubball93]

Mardy G is grilling the coach he believed 10 days ago wasn't going anywhere. I'm almost feel sorry for him. Fans are really disappointed when they lose a coach but no one feels it as badly as the players.

"I feel like he did our team an injustice," said Bearcat senior Mardy Gilyard. "Hopefully, he'll pack his things up and get to South Bend in a hurry."

Ha ha, UsuCk!

[DC Muskie]

It was hilarious watching UC players talking about Kelly. What an awful school.

Who is the tight end that talked about the Sugar Bowl being like a National Championship game? What a joke. Hey buddy, it's not. It's just the Sugar Bowl. Good luck!

[coasterville95]

Earlier, I said:


Not that I'm saying I don't think its true,just that I would hold off on the celebrations. As they say at the track, "Please hold all tickets until the results are declared official"

It's now official.

http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/121009aaq.html

Reports are also that he is taking practically his entire staff with him, which I guess isn't really that much of a shock.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Some classic enquirer quotes aside from the "_____ comment has been removed for violating the terms of service":

"What could have been, we need a Bob Huggins. F NANCY"

"If there was a riot going on in Clifton, I would get in my car, drive 15 miles and join in. "

"Kelly is a bigger liar than Barack Obama and has been named the Cheviot Sports Authority "Turd of the Year". "

"Why would anyone expect anything else from this liar and classless dirtbag? He did the same thing to Central Michigan when he came her"

"BK is not a good Catholic boy....He need to go to the confession but NOT to the priests in Southbends. "

"And would everyone please keep Obama out of college football blogs....for christ's sake!"

"To hell with Brian Kelly. P!ss on him and Notre Dame!!!"

"What a doucche"

"You suck Brian Kelly. You are a trader and a pig. I hate you more than I hate O$U fan."

"I blame Nancy Zimph. That fact that she was born made BK leave."

"I think calling someone's mom a prostitute is just as classless. Looks like you'll be busy at confession this week"

"Is what you named yourself after playing with your Willy cause no woman would touch you?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA"

"A masturbation joke in a college football thread... So, how's 9th grade going?"

"I think I am going to be an Ohio State fan now."

"All you noter dame fans stink. my boss is a noter dame fan and he thinks hes so smart but I am smarter. I am going to go key his car while he gloats."

[UC observer]

UC football is #3 in the country. X hoops has never been there.

UC is maintaining a championship football program and building a championship basketball program.

A little more difficult that trying to run a .500 mid major basketball school.

Instead of enjoying two big time programs your joy comes from watching us from a distance hoping something bad happens.

[xubrew]

UC football is #3 in the country. X hoops has never been there.

UC is maintaining a championship football program and building a championship basketball program.

A little more difficult that trying to run a .500 mid major basketball school.

Instead of enjoying two big time programs your joy comes from watching us from a distance hoping something bad happens.

actually, the intrigue (i wouldn't even call it joy) isn't that something bad is happening. it's the reaction to it.

to me, the real test wasn't whether or not kelly would leave, but how uc would handle it once he did. that's the true sign of a strong program. will they continue to be successful without him?? they had to know that this would happen sooner or later, or at the very least foresee it as a possibility. i'm curious to see if they have a short list of their own, and if they do who is on it. if they handle this the right way they should be okay. my only question is whether or not that department is capable of doing it.

in the meantime, the psychological meltdown of the fans is a site to see. i get why xu fans are intrigued, but i think taking it to the point that we're actually celebrating is a little bit obsessive. it's also premature. if they end up with someone like kevin sumlin from houston or jerry moore from appalachian state, it could very well be that they pick up right where they left off.

[UC observer]

Agree completely.

[XU05and07]

UC football is #3 in the country. X hoops has never been there.

UC is maintaining a championship football program and building a championship basketball program.

A little more difficult that trying to run a .500 mid major basketball school.

Instead of enjoying two big time programs your joy comes from watching us from a distance hoping something bad happens.

By not putting up a fight for your coach??? Can you show me evidence that your statement is true? What are they doing to "maintain" a championship football team? You lost your coach not 24 hours ago and the staff is following...how have they had time to "maintain" a championship football program?

When you win in the NCAA tournament multiple years in a row...then we can talk about you building a championship program...you have to do better than have a one-and-done that will take you to a few wins and saving Mick's job.

By the way...the first 2 posts in this thread shows that others know more about your program than you do...so you have to prove yourself before anything you say can be taken seriously.

[UC observer]

Great news about Mitch Stone the guy UC football team "adopted", his cancer is gone and is expected to make a full recovery.

Instead of BK leading UC onto the field it has been announced that Mitch Stone will lead the bearcats out of the tunnel.

Great move by UC.

[UC observer]

Offering BK a new contract every year and privately raising 12 million dollars for facilities is doing everything we could.

Back to Back Big East Champs with our best team ever next year is maintaining.

[XU 87]

My guess is that UC will fall back to where Dantonio had them, mediocre to good, depending on the season. But there's no evidence to suggest that UC will ever be back to where Kelly had them.

[xubrew]

My guess is that UC will fall back to where Dantonio had them, mediocre to good, depending on the season. But there's no evidence to suggest that UC will ever be back to where Kelly had them.

very true, but there's no evidence to suggest that it is an impossibility either.

i want to see how they handle this. i'll save my doom and gloom and one-hit-wonder predictions until after this is over. if they were completely blindsided by this then i agree. they're in bad shape, especially if they didn't even foresee it as being a possibility and didn't have a plan in place. however, if they were ready for it and did have a plan of action in place and an idea of where they wanted to take it if he did leave, then i think they'll be fine. we shall see. you literally lose your coach in a day, and you have to be ready for it no matter who you are. if uc is ready for it, there is no reason to think they won't be able to continue to routinely contend for bcs bowls. there are just as many examples of programs remaining strong after losing a coach (boise state, utah, lsu, oklahoma state, etc) as there are of those that fall apart.

[XUglow]

I think this might be the article he is referring to...

http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/111909aab.html

That said, I can't believe I wasted 90 seconds backing up sources for a UC fan.

That data is based on freshmen entering these programs from 1999 to 2002. Is that information relevant to how Kelly has done with UC football players?

[XUglow]

My guess is that UC will fall back to where Dantonio had them, mediocre to good, depending on the season. But there's no evidence to suggest that UC will ever be back to where Kelly had them.

Entropy never rests. See Louisville for details.

[xubrew]

Entropy never rests. See Louisville for details.

well, for every louisville or washington state or hawaii or any other program that fell off the face of the earth after losing a marquee coach, there is a utah or a boise state or an oklahoma state or an lsu that is able to remain just as strong as before.

uc has a tremendous advantage over places like virginia or louisville or kansas in the sense that they are already good. those other programs lost their coaches because something was broken. uc lost their coach because everything was in such good working order that someone else wanted him. so, i think a team that is ranked #3 is much more appealing than a virginia or kansas who's in the middle/bottom of their conferences right now.

[_LH]

UC had a once and a lifetime year and still they were one defensive stop by Pitt from going to the Car Care Bowl.

UC can certainly expect to compete for Orange Bowl bids, just like 5 other BE schools can but they won't be contending for National Titles in our lifetimes.

[AdamtheFlyer]

I haven't seen it in print, but I have heard rumblings that ND will allow Kelly to recruit JuCo players and they'll give him a small amount of expections for players that meet the NCAA minimum but not the ND standard. That would be a major boost to Kelly's chances of waking the echoes. ND seems to be finally understanding that you have to ease some standards if you want to win in football.

[XU 87]

very true, but there's no evidence to suggest that it is an impossibility either.



Sure there is. Prior to Kelly, UC was never even close to having seasons like he has had. They had never been to a major bowl game and except for maybe one year in the 50's I don't think they ever had double digits in wins in a season. They play in an old 35,000 seat stadium and until Kelly, they had terrible attendance. And if the basketball program is any indicator, if they go 7-5 next year, UC will again see crowds of 20,000. Even with all his success, I think Kelly was still bringing in recruiting classes ranked in the 50's.

UC had a great run because they hired a great coach. But they don't have a great program. In fact, when considering all the factors, they have a very mediocre program. And mediocre programs usually have mediocre seasons.

[UC observer]

UC has there best team ever next year.

[_LH]

Sure there is. Prior to Kelly, UC was never even close to having seasons like he has had. They had never been to a major bowl game and except for maybe one year in the 50's I don't think they ever had double digits in wins in a season. They play in an old 35,000 seat stadium and until Kelly, they had terrible attendance. And if the basketball program is any indicator, if they go 7-5 next year, UC will again see crowds of 20,000. Even with all his success, I think Kelly was still bringing in recruiting classes ranked in the 50's.

UC had a great run because they hired a great coach. But they don't have a great program. In fact, when considering all the factors, they have a very mediocre program. And mediocre programs usually have mediocre seasons.

I agree. I can see UC losing an early game next year, still finishing 10-2 or 9-3 and having 3/4's the attendance they had this year.

[_LH]

UC has there best team ever next year.

:rolleyes:

[XU 87]

UC has there best team ever next year.

I guess English and writing classes are no longer required at Clifton U.

[XU05and07]

UC has there best team ever next year.

Now you sound like a Dayton fan

...next year is the year!

[UC observer]

Finishing undefeated isnt playing for next year...

[_LH]

But after UC plays FL they won't be undefeated and will be back to 9-3 seasons at best.

[Masterofreality]

Originally posted by Fred Garvin
"Brian Kelly will stay and get the job done. People like Sean Miller just lack the ethics of a Brian Kelly."

Originally posted by 94GRAD
"I'll bet you a night of drinking at Dana's, if ND comes calling, he leaves."

Looks like Freddy has some payin' to do.
Drink up '94.

[xubrew]

Sure there is. Prior to Kelly, UC was never even close to having seasons like he has had. They had never been to a major bowl game and except for maybe one year in the 50's I don't think they ever had double digits in wins in a season. They play in an old 35,000 seat stadium and until Kelly, they had terrible attendance. And if the basketball program is any indicator, if they go 7-5 next year, UC will again see crowds of 20,000. Even with all his success, I think Kelly was still bringing in recruiting classes ranked in the 50's.

UC had a great run because they hired a great coach. But they don't have a great program. In fact, when considering all the factors, they have a very mediocre program. And mediocre programs usually have mediocre seasons.

and prior to kelly, most of the current senior administration wasn't at uc. that's completely irrelevant. prior to ben howland, pitt basketball had never really been good either. boise state sucked at football prior to gene bleymaier. they've undergone several coaching changes and have continued to improve each time. you can't say that the shortcomings of the previous administrations is necessarily indicative of the current one. the current atheltic department almost certainly sees football as more of an asset and believes in its potential.

[PMI]

Originally posted by Fred Garvin
"Brian Kelly will stay and get the job done. People like Sean Miller just lack the ethics of a Brian Kelly."

Originally posted by 94GRAD
"I'll bet you a night of drinking at Dana's, if ND comes calling, he leaves."

Looks like Freddy has some payin' to do.
Drink up '94.

Are you telling me BJ gets a free night of drinking at Danas?

[_LH]

The great UC football program was turned down in their coaching search by Houston's coach out of CUSA. Houston!!!. Wow.

[Juice]

The great UC football program was turned down in their coaching search by Houston's coach out of CUSA. Houston!!!. Wow.

UC didn't talk to him, but Turner Gill took the KU job, so that is one less candidate.


This just in: UC fans even more sad

[MADXSTER]

This may just be one of the worst weeks in UC sports history.

[vee4xu]

This may just be on of the worst weeks in UC sports history.

Which in turn makes it one of the best weeks in Xavier sports history.

[XURunner85]

I see the UC fans had much appreciation for Kelly, they egged his house over the weekend and instead of a for sale they put a not a very sign in his yard....wow what appreciation they had for their former coach.......GO IRISH!!!!

[DC Muskie]

I bet only one or two fans did it.

Or roughly the same amount of fans that went to the Orange Bowl last year, or will go to the Sugar Bowl this year.

Or just in general.

[coasterville95]

Yup, it was either one or two rotten apple fans, the local neighborhood teen with noting better to do, or a fabrication to work the media.

Latest on Brian Kelly - Brian saying he wants to get a football game or two lined up with UC. Hmm, if Coach Lexus called BoBo to make the same type request, I wonder what the reaction would be. I won't make the same comment about Coach Matta, since I have a feeling we'd be all over that one...

He also seems to be playing the victim role in not coaching the Sugar Bowl - I'd love to coach it, but since the fan base is divided about me, I would only be a distraction, so I'll abstain, etc.

Say one thing, the man has PR under control.

[Juice]

MoEgger1530 RT @schadjoe: Butch Jones is Cincinnati's new coach, three sources say

I am sure UC fans will ignore how they have now taken 2 straight coaches from CMU before their bowl game and still say what Brian Kelly did was terrible.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

MoEgger1530 RT @schadjoe: Butch Jones is Cincinnati's new coach, three sources say

I am sure UC fans will ignore how they have now taken 2 straight coaches from CMU before their bowl game and still say what Brian Kelly did was terrible.

http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20091215/SPT0101/312150072/Reports++Jones+named+UC+coach

[xubball93]

MoEgger1530 RT @schadjoe: Butch Jones is Cincinnati's new coach, three sources say

I am sure UC fans will ignore how they have now taken 2 straight coaches from CMU before their bowl game and still say what Brian Kelly did was terrible.

No doubt. How much does that suck for Central Michigan to be raided twice by the same school in four years?

[Jumpy]

Wow. Talk about raiding the pantry. Well, we now have a 3 letter rebuttal the next time we hear their fans whining about him "abandoning" his team. Of course, they are too dense to see the irony in it, so they will continue to spew their dumbassery.