UC returns to action tonight

[CinciX12]

UClifton returns to the ghetto tonight to face Texas Southern.

And. No. One. Is. There.

Shocking development.

[xubball93]

I hate UClifton so I'm watching the University of Skip vs. Purdue.

[CinciX12]

I hate UClifton so I'm watching the University of Skip vs. Purdue.

I watched that game as well. I flipped it to FSO to see who was calling the game. The first shot was the broadcasters standing along the sideline with the bleachers behind the basket as the backdrop. I highly doubt there was more than 100 people in that entire section.

[PM Thor]

6,825. Official attendance. (and everyone knows how those numbers are always based simply on sales, not actual attendance)

That's just pathetic. UC is ranked in the Top 25, and can't get the fans to show up. Talk about a sad, sad fanbase. It's the ultimate rebuttal to anything any UC fan might say.

I HATE dayton.

[Juice]

6,825. Official attendance. (and everyone knows how those numbers are always based simply on sales, not actual attendance)

That's just pathetic. UC is ranked in the Top 25, and can't get the fans to show up. Talk about a sad, sad fanbase. It's the ultimate rebuttal to anything any UC fan might say.

I HATE dayton.

"It's still the football season." - Morons

Too bad they won't have this excuse when Brian Kelly is gone.

[X-band '01]

Wasn't it too long ago that UC was clamoring to build a new arena to replace The Shoe? At this rate, they'll be doing a replication of Rose Hill Gym.

[powerofX]

"It's still the football season." - Morons

Too bad they won't have this excuse when Brian Kelly is gone.

Sportscenter highlights of this game were awesome...making fun of Cincy in two ways.

One anchor said nobody was there and people should come out and watch.

The other anchor said that they were saving up for the Orange Bowl and Brian Kelly's buyout. I realize the last part isn't right, but it was funny because he was trying to say Kelly was gone...then the other anchor laughed.

[coasterville95]

Cronin is also going public over his displeasure at the lack of attendance:


Cronin: Fan turnout disappointing Posted by bkoch December 1st, 2009, 10:12 pm If Mick Cronin was expecting anything close to a full house at Fifth Third Arena on Tuesday night to celebrate the Bearcats’ first Top 25 ranking since January 2006, he was sorely disappointed.

Only 6,825 showed up to watch the 22nd-ranked Bearcats overwhelm Texas Southern, 94-57, and after the game Cronin voiced his disappointment.

“I talked to the guys about sending a message to our fans that we’re for real,” Cronin said. “We need your support to try to get our arena filled up.

“You go out and win, 94-57, you’re trying to send a message to people. I’ve said from day one that I totally understand the rebuilding process, but we’re ranked in the Top 25. I understand the frustration of the dismissal of a legendary coach but that’s four years ago. As we sit here today, we’re ranked 22nd in the AP.”

New arena? Sorry, they're a football school now, I can see the big Nippert renovation happening first, and in ten years The Shoe will look as dated as Cincinnati Gardens, a shrine of what once was.

Sorry, Cronin but defeating a punching bag by 94-57 isn't going to be the pivotal moment that brings the fans back. Neither are the $150 season tickets, apparently.

[bearcat65]

Cronin is also going public over his displeasure at the lack of attendance:



New arena? Sorry, they're a football school now, I can see the big Nippert renovation happening first, and in ten years The Shoe will look as dated as Cincinnati Gardens, a shrine of what once was.

Sorry, Cronin but defeating a punching bag by 94-57 isn't going to be the pivotal moment that brings the fans back. Neither are the $150 season tickets, apparently.

If they continue to play as they have in the last 4 games the fans will come back. Especially when conference play begins. I agree that basketball facilities are going to take a back seat to football upgrades right now and it should. UC has to focus on doing what they can to keep Kelly.

[danaandvictory]

If they continue to play as they have in the last 4 games the fans will come back.

Congratulations on your stalwart diehard fanbase. Say what you want about Watermelon Nation, but they support their team in numbers through mediocre and bad. UC fans are a joke. "Our City", what a freaking joke.

[danaandvictory]

Here's some more of Cronin's quotes (from cnati.com):


"Taking this job I have had a lot of challenges," Cronin said. "Most importantly, no players on the team to start. Fundraising, budget cuts, rebuildng the fan base, recruiting when you have to lose your first year because you don't have talent, losing players to injuries for the year.

"I was disappointed."

What a weepy vagina. Tell us again how Prairie View would win the A-10, you weaselly douche.

[bearcat65]

Congratulations on your stalwart diehard fanbase. Say what you want about Watermelon Nation, but they support their team in numbers through mediocre and bad. UC fans are a joke. "Our City", what a freaking joke.

"watermelon" nation didn't experience what UC fans did during the Huggins fiasco. Success brings fans and one need only look at UC football to see proof of that. Don't pretend that it is a trait unique only to UC fans either.

[danaandvictory]

"watermelon" nation didn't experience what UC fans did during the Huggins fiasco. Success brings fans and one need only look at UC football to see proof of that. Don't pretend that it is a trait unique only to UC fans either.

Watermelon Nation didn't win an NCAA Tournament game for 20 years, and I'm guessing AdamTheFlyer and the other UD fans who lurk around here can tell you that the waning days of the Jim O'Brien era were far more humiliating than the "Huggins fiasco." O'Brien literally destroyed that program. They struggled to win a single game some years in the Great Midwest.

And don't give me this "WE WERE VICTIMIZED BY THE GREAT SATAN ZIMPHER" garbage either. No one made that idiot drink a gallon of booze and throw up on his car. No one made him run an outlaw program. He dug his own grave, and at some point his antics got too embarrassing for even the powers that be in Clifton.

You're not the first fanbase that's lost a legendary coach. You're not even the most recent fanbase in the area that's seen a once-dominant program reduced to the NIT due to a coaching snafu. And yet Rupp Arena remained full last year. Even the IU fans continue to support their team despite the fact that they are at the bottom of the Big Ten and likely to be there for some time. You're not special unique snowflakes.

I'm not saying that bandwagon jumping is confined to UC fans, but you guys are the most egregious violators I've ever seen.

[D-West & PO-Z]

"watermelon" nation didn't experience what UC fans did during the Huggins fiasco. Success brings fans and one need only look at UC football to see proof of that. Don't pretend that it is a trait unique only to UC fans either.

I would agree, I think it is Cincinnati people in general with regards to their teams, minus XU. The UC people are the worst though.

[gladdenguy]

Watermelon Nation didn't win an NCAA Tournament game for 20 years, and I'm guessing AdamTheFlyer and the other UD fans who lurk around here can tell you that the waning days of the Jim O'Brien era were far more humiliating than the "Huggins fiasco." O'Brien literally destroyed that program. They struggled to win a single game some years in the Great Midwest.

And don't give me this "WE WERE VICTIMIZED BY THE GREAT SATAN ZIMPHER" garbage either. No one made that idiot drink a gallon of booze and throw up on his car. No one made him run an outlaw program. He dug his own grave, and at some point his antics got too embarrassing for even the powers that be in Clifton.

You're not the first fanbase that's lost a legendary coach. You're not even the most recent fanbase in the area that's seen a once-dominant program reduced to the NIT due to a coaching snafu. And yet Rupp Arena remained full last year. Even the IU fans continue to support their team despite the fact that they are at the bottom of the Big Ten and likely to be there for some time. You're not special unique snowflakes.

I'm not saying that bandwagon jumping is confined to UC fans, but you guys are the most egregious violators I've ever seen.

Wonderful post.....well done

[bearcat65]

Watermelon Nation didn't win an NCAA Tournament game for 20 years, and I'm guessing AdamTheFlyer and the other UD fans who lurk around here can tell you that the waning days of the Jim O'Brien era were far more humiliating than the "Huggins fiasco." O'Brien literally destroyed that program. They struggled to win a single game some years in the Great Midwest.

And don't give me this "WE WERE VICTIMIZED BY THE GREAT SATAN ZIMPHER" garbage either. No one made that idiot drink a gallon of booze and throw up on his car. No one made him run an outlaw program. He dug his own grave, and at some point his antics got too embarrassing for even the powers that be in Clifton.

You're not the first fanbase that's lost a legendary coach. You're not even the most recent fanbase in the area that's seen a once-dominant program reduced to the NIT due to a coaching snafu. And yet Rupp Arena remained full last year. You're not special unique snowflakes.

I'm not saying that bandwagon jumping is confined to UC fans, but you guys are the most egregious violators I've ever seen.

I'm not going to rehash the Huggins firing but if you don't believe there were things that were done and said at the time that would turn off the fanbase then you are naive. UC put themselves in a position where they have to win back the support for basketball. I think they are on the right path and I think attendance will increase as the season goes on.
Hopping on or off bandwagons occurs everywhere to varying degrees depending on circumstances.

[TheDanimal]

The waning interest among the students seems to be the most depressing for UC basketball. I'm finishing up my final year at the UClifton College of Law and its amazing how little students care this year. I remember when I first came here, even though the team was not as good, folks were jacked up about when basketball tickets got released and always talking about the game. Yesterday, even after the great performance in Maui, nobody even knew the team was back home, let alone had any desire to go to the game. It is getting bad when folks who can get free tickets over the internet won't even put out the effort to go to the games. As for the general fan base not attending, I think the $25 price tag to see Texas Southern from that dungeon of an upper deck my have something to do with it. If UClifton wants more fans early in the year, the ticket prices need to come down for the patsy games.

[Flyer1407]

O'Brien won a total of 10 games and 4 conference games during a 2 year stretch. 6-21 (1-11) in his final year. I don't think the attendance ever dropped below an 8 or 9k average. Although, most UD fans have tried to block out the O'Brien years as much as possible.

[Tardy Turtle]

Watermelon Nation didn't win an NCAA Tournament game for 20 years, and I'm guessing AdamTheFlyer and the other UD fans who lurk around here can tell you that the waning days of the Jim O'Brien era were far more humiliating than the "Huggins fiasco." O'Brien literally destroyed that program. They struggled to win a single game some years in the Great Midwest.

And don't give me this "WE WERE VICTIMIZED BY THE GREAT SATAN ZIMPHER" garbage either. No one made that idiot drink a gallon of booze and throw up on his car. No one made him run an outlaw program. He dug his own grave, and at some point his antics got too embarrassing for even the powers that be in Clifton.

You're not the first fanbase that's lost a legendary coach. You're not even the most recent fanbase in the area that's seen a once-dominant program reduced to the NIT due to a coaching snafu. And yet Rupp Arena remained full last year. Even the IU fans continue to support their team despite the fact that they are at the bottom of the Big Ten and likely to be there for some time. You're not special unique snowflakes.

I'm not saying that bandwagon jumping is confined to UC fans, but you guys are the most egregious violators I've ever seen.

This is probably the best post on this board in a long time.

[kyxu]

I'm not going to rehash the Huggins firing but if you don't believe there were things that were done and said at the time that would turn off the fanbase then you are naive. UC put themselves in a position where they have to win back the support for basketball. I think they are on the right path and I think attendance will increase as the season goes on.
Hopping on or off bandwagons occurs everywhere to varying degrees depending on circumstances.

Oh, I bet it's bone-chilling.

Gimme a break. UC is a fairweather fanbase.

[XU 87]

I'm not going to rehash the Huggins firing but if you don't believe there were things that were done and said at the time that would turn off the fanbase then you are naive. UC put themselves in a position where they have to win back the support for basketball. I think they are on the right path and I think attendance will increase as the season goes on.
Hopping on or off bandwagons occurs everywhere to varying degrees depending on circumstances.

If my memory is correct, attendance was starting to fall while Huggins was still there. Remember the "F___ 'em. Really, f___ 'em" quote, which was in response to poor attendence?

[bearcat65]

Oh, I bet it's bone-chilling.

Gimme a break. UC is a fairweather fanbase.

It was but hey if attendance and fairweather fan smack is the best opposing fanbases can do then UC is on the right track.

[danaandvictory]

It was but hey if attendance and fairweather fan smack is the best opposing fanbases can do then UC is on the right track.

You're right. We have no other ammunition.

Dec 31 Notre Dame Lost 82-92 8-6 (0-1)
Jan 3 @Providence Lost 54-62 8-7 (0-2)
Jan 7 @Syracuse Lost 68-85 8-8 (0-3)
Jan 10 South Florida Lost 58-80 8-9 (0-4)
Jan 17 Cincinnati Lost 55-59 8-10 (0-5)
Jan 20 @South Florida Lost 61-70 8-11 (0-6)
Jan 24 @Marquette Lost 70-79 8-12 (0-7)
Jan 28 Connecticut Lost 49-71 8-13 (0-8)
Jan 31 @Rutgers Lost 56-75 8-14 (0-9)
Feb 3 Marquette Lost 61-76 8-15 (0-10)
Feb 7 Pittsburgh Lost 69-92 8-16 (0-11)
Feb 10 Seton Hall Lost 49-72 8-17 (0-12)
Feb 15 @Louisville Lost 54-99 8-18 (0-13)
Feb 21 @Pittsburgh Lost 61-80 8-19 (0-14)
Feb 25 Villanova Lost 72-74 8-20 (0-15)
Feb 28 St. John´s (N.Y.) Lost 63-84 8-21 (0-16)
Mar 4 @West Virginia Lost 63-82 8-22 (0-17)
Mar 7 @Georgetown Lost 40-48 8-23 (0-18)

Big East Tournament

Mar 10 Cincinnati Won 67-57 9-23 (1-18)

[xu_fan]

So wait a minute. I have a problem with all these posts. If Xavier didn't make the NCAA tourney for 4 years and barely had winning seasons do you think most games would sell out??? I would have to think not, maybe I'm wrong!

[D-West & PO-Z]

So wait a minute. I have a problem with all these posts. If Xavier didn't make the NCAA tourney for 4 years and barely had winning seasons do you think most games would sell out??? I would have to think not, maybe I'm wrong!

We would sure as hell get a lot more than 6,000 fans, especially if we were ranked in the Top 25!

[GuyFawkes38]

Heard Cronin on his radioshow on 700. A caller rudely complained to Cronin about the top seats being bleachers.

Cronin pointed out that those season tickets only coast $150 (wow!!!) and went on to beg fans to attend more games.

From Kelly's and Cronin's pleads to increases attendance it seems increasingly clear that UC doesn't receive great fan support.

[Juice]

So wait a minute. I have a problem with all these posts. If Xavier didn't make the NCAA tourney for 4 years and barely had winning seasons do you think most games would sell out??? I would have to think not, maybe I'm wrong!

Xavier also has about 6,000 students on a given year while UC has 25,000. Then use those numbers thinking about the number of alumni.

UC fans are pathetic.

[CinciX12]

Xavier also has about 6,000 students on a given year while UC has 25,000. Then use those numbers thinking about the number of alumni.

UC fans are pathetic.

I have tried to make that point several times to my UClifton friends. They just don't get it.

And taking that number to football, there should be absolutely no reason why every game wasn't sold out 30 minutes once tickets went on sale at the beginning of the year.

UClifton is a joke.

[xubrew]

I'm not saying that bandwagon jumping is confined to UC fans, but you guys are the most egregious violators I've ever seen.



We would sure as hell get a lot more than 6,000 fans, especially if we were ranked in the Top 25!


Xavier also has about 6,000 students on a given year while UC has 25,000. Then use those numbers thinking about the number of alumni.

UC fans are pathetic


interesting.

uc fans are bandwagon fans. bandwagon fans are what i like to call restaurant fans. they show up when the food is good and love every second of it, but when the food is bad they go away and never think about the place again. the diehard fans are the most proud. they're the ones that show up no matter how good or bad the food is. they'll bitch to no end if it's bad, but hell, at least they're there.

uc's in the top 25. if uc were a restaurant, their food would be good. yet, no people. that's not a bandwagon. that's a disenchantment. people were so fed up with a sequence of events that lasted for about two years that they just don't care anymore. i don't blame them. it was bullshit. they dealt with bad situations in a worse way. not just with huggins, but with virtually everything. people just stopped giving a shit. it's hard to take pride in a place that takes something that's somewhat broken and totally finishes the job off by breaking it beyond recognition.

[kyxu]

people just stopped giving a shit. it's hard to take pride in a place that takes something that's somewhat broken and totally finishes the job off by breaking it beyond recognition.

That's a tad melodramatic, don't you think?

[bearcat65]

You're right. We have no other ammunition.

Dec 31 Notre Dame Lost 82-92 8-6 (0-1)
Jan 3 @Providence Lost 54-62 8-7 (0-2)
Jan 7 @Syracuse Lost 68-85 8-8 (0-3)
Jan 10 South Florida Lost 58-80 8-9 (0-4)
Jan 17 Cincinnati Lost 55-59 8-10 (0-5)
Jan 20 @South Florida Lost 61-70 8-11 (0-6)
Jan 24 @Marquette Lost 70-79 8-12 (0-7)
Jan 28 Connecticut Lost 49-71 8-13 (0-8)
Jan 31 @Rutgers Lost 56-75 8-14 (0-9)
Feb 3 Marquette Lost 61-76 8-15 (0-10)
Feb 7 Pittsburgh Lost 69-92 8-16 (0-11)
Feb 10 Seton Hall Lost 49-72 8-17 (0-12)
Feb 15 @Louisville Lost 54-99 8-18 (0-13)
Feb 21 @Pittsburgh Lost 61-80 8-19 (0-14)
Feb 25 Villanova Lost 72-74 8-20 (0-15)
Feb 28 St. John´s (N.Y.) Lost 63-84 8-21 (0-16)
Mar 4 @West Virginia Lost 63-82 8-22 (0-17)
Mar 7 @Georgetown Lost 40-48 8-23 (0-18)

Big East Tournament

Mar 10 Cincinnati Won 67-57 9-23 (1-18)

You post that and still wonder why fan support waned at UC? Win and fans show up, consistently lose and fan support weakens.

[danaandvictory]

don't blame them. it was bullshit. they dealt with bad situations in a worse way. not just with huggins, but with virtually everything. people just stopped giving a shit. it's hard to take pride in a place that takes something that's somewhat broken and totally finishes the job off by breaking it beyond recognition.

What makes the UC transition, fractured and clumsy as it was, so much more devastating than the Kelvin Sampson debacle at Indiana? Or the Jim O'Brien years at Dayton? And yet those fanbases stayed loyal and continued to support their teams because being a fan, especially of a college team, means taking the good with the bad. It means eating shit sometimes. UC fans are with their team win or win. And when they are successful, they don't ever shut up about it.

[xu05usmc]

I have a few buds over at UC Law and they told me student turn it is more complicated than 25,000 students just not caring, they say it has to do with no one knowing how to get tickets. They allege that the ticket policy has changed so many times for basketball over the past few years that no one knows how to go about getting tickets. Leave it to UC to develop a ticket policy that their "prestigious" law school students can't figure.

And after 4 years of pure suckery would you spend $20 to watch your team play heavyweights like Texas Southern regardless of ranking?

I also remember my senior year at X back in '06 the game against GW on ESPN1. GW was top 10 and undefeated, I didn't have a ticket and about 15 minutes prior to the tip I said what the hell, I'll try to land a student ticket, and sure enough I did, in the lower section nonetheless. So we've had trouble selling tickets before too.

[xubrew]

That's a tad melodramatic, don't you think?

maybe.


What makes the UC transition, fractured and clumsy as it was, so much more devastating than the Kelvin Sampson debacle at Indiana? Or the Jim O'Brien years at Dayton?

it wasn't just how they handled huggins. it was how they handled everything. several deans were either fired or forced to resign. the reason given was because the admin said they wanted to become a more national and more elite institution, which is kind of a slap in the face to the people who had been there for as long as they had and done as much as they had done. they were replaced with people who had the same or fewer credentials, and nearly all of them had ties to the new administration in one way or another. that's not working to become elite. that's working to achieve nepotism. there was absolutely nothing wrong with how indiana handled kelvin sampson. not even close. in fact they did a great job with it and did what they did for the right reasons. uc, not so much.

they fired the rowing coach. what president fires a rowing coach??

http://www.newsrecord.org/2.7228/questions-arise-concerning-change-of-uc-rowing-coach-1.768053

don't get me wrong. i'm not saying this individual incident is what everyone had a problem with. i'm saying it one example of many that exhibits the overall problem of how the new administration went about their business. many people at a university do not care about basketball. just look at xavier, with 4000 students, far less than half intently follow basketball. the ratio is even less at uc, but yet everyone hated zimpher. that should tell you something. people just stopped caring, and still don't care. people that weren't big sports fans, but were still casual fans just don't care anymore. you tell them uc sucks, and they agree.

[danaandvictory]

And after 4 years of pure suckery would you spend $20 to watch your team play heavyweights like Texas Southern regardless of ranking?

You can get a season ticket for UC basketball for $150. Student tickets are free. No excuse.

[waggy]

People like to wrongly take credit and/or place blame, but honestly, it was The Bob Huggins Political Machine that brought about the destruction of the UC basketball program. Some people just don't know their history.

[bearcat65]

People like to wrongly take credit and/or place blame, but honestly, it was The Bob Huggins Political Machine that brought about the destruction of the UC basketball program. Some people just don't know their history.

Huggins certainly did his share but he was not alone.

[UC observer]

You can get a season ticket for UC basketball for $150. Student tickets are free. No excuse.

I am a new poster here. Big UC fan.

Why do you guys care about UC attendance or fan base? UC fans never talk about that stuff good or bad about X. We don't care what you guys do.

I can understand wanting UC to lose but you have a lot of discussion about our attendance.

[waggy]

Huggins certainly did his share but he was not alone.

I say again, some people just don't know their history.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I am a new poster here. Big UC fan.

Why do you guys care about UC attendance or fan base? UC fans never talk about that stuff good or bad about X. We don't care what you guys do.

I can understand wanting UC to lose but you have a lot of discussion about our attendance.

You don't care what we do yet you register on our message board and question why we are doing something? Makes sense. :D

[suspectx]

I am a new poster here. Big UC fan.

Why do you guys care about UC attendance or fan base? UC fans never talk about that stuff good or bad about X. We don't care what you guys do.

I can understand wanting UC to lose but you have a lot of discussion about our attendance.

This is dripping with hypocrisy.

Why are you on this board if you don't care about Xavier? Why is your team's slogan this year "This is our city"? Check the comments section on any article on Cincinnati.com and tell me UC fans don't talk about Xavier.

[Xpectations]

I am a new poster here. Big UC fan.

Why do you guys care about UC attendance or fan base? UC fans never talk about that stuff good or bad about X. We don't care what you guys do.

I can understand wanting UC to lose but you have a lot of discussion about our attendance.

I don't know. For that matter, why do we talk about global warming, Tiger Woods, whether under boob photos are better than side boobs, which musical artists people like best, the Afghan war plan, the Bengals, Butler, Duke, Arizona, Gonzaga, etc. -- as of which and more have been topics commented on within the past week (most in the past day).

It's because some people are interested in those things. We had posters watching the UC game (I did as well, but hadn't commented) about our local rival, 4 miles away from us, who has commercials claiming it's "our city," and whose coach makes degrading public comments about our conference, notice that that there were virtually no fans in the stands during the game they were watching.

Seems like there's sufficient reason to comment on it to me, especially when the UC fan base bailed on them, became a football school, but said they'd be back when the team was competitive again.

Well guess what? The team is competitive again. They're actually good. They'll actually represent a quality win for us again in the future. And yet the fan base continues to stay away.

I'd say that's at least as comment worthy on an XU board as the war in Afghanistan, whether our coach loves Oprah, Dayton's ridiculous OOC schedule, jokes about Glenn Beck and many other topics.

It's a discussion board with many posters, many forums and representing many topics and tastes. There's a board for general NCAA basketball for basketball topics not related directly to Xavier and not related to our conference. I'd actually be surprised if that forum didn't have UC discussion on a somewhat frequent basis.

[UC observer]

I know why there is discussion on UC. When Stephenson signed I think there was like 300 posts about it on here.

UC fans care about X. I love seeing X fans perspective. My question is about attendance. Why is that an issue.

[_LH]

What makes the UC transition, fractured and clumsy as it was, so much more devastating than the Kelvin Sampson debacle at Indiana? Or the Jim O'Brien years at Dayton? And yet those fanbases stayed loyal and continued to support their teams because being a fan, especially of a college team, means taking the good with the bad. It means eating shit sometimes. UC fans are with their team win or win. And when they are successful, they don't ever shut up about it.

Dead on!!

Also, Huggins was 100% to blame for the situation.

[Xpectations]

I know why there is discussion on UC. When Stephenson signed I think there was like 300 posts about it on here.

UC fans care about X. I love seeing X fans perspective. My question is about attendance. Why is that an issue.

I wouldn't call it an issue. I'd call it a topic.

Why is it a topic? Why wouldn't it be a topic? Seriously?

You have a school with a huge freaking alumni base, with a huge "Cincinnati" actually on their jerseys, with huge state funds, in a huge freakin' conference (the "hugest" ever, actually), with a huge coliseum, with a huge long-term history, and they can't even half fill their gym when they're in the Top 25.

I think that's news. Hell, it was discussed on every TV channel when they showed the highlights (both local AND national). It has been discussed at length on local talk shows. It has been discussed in articles, by Cronin, around watercoolers.

Why wouldn't it be discussed here; again, especially when there is discussion on far less XU relevant, less basketball-related and less discussed topics?

[xeus]

I have a few buds over at UC Law and they told me student turn it is more complicated than 25,000 students just not caring, they say it has to do with no one knowing how to get tickets. They allege that the ticket policy has changed so many times for basketball over the past few years that no one knows how to go about getting tickets. Leave it to UC to develop a ticket policy that their "prestigious" law school students can't figure.



Seriously? They can't figure out how to get tickets? How embarrassing.

Pass this link on to your buddy: UC student tickets (http://www.gobearcats.com/tickets/cinn-tickets-student.html) Feel free to mention it took me exactly 21 seconds to find this on the internet.

[TheDanimal]

I agree - UC has one of the easiest student ticket policies. You log in under your student account, click on the game you want, checkout, and they email you a ticket. Seeing as you do not have to walk anywhere and can even do it in class, not going is just student body apathy.

[Muskie]

Seriously? They can't figure out how to get tickets? How embarrassing.

Pass this link on to your buddy: UC student tickets (http://www.gobearcats.com/tickets/cinn-tickets-student.html) Feel free to mention it took me exactly 21 seconds to find this on the internet.

Are you defending the honor of all UC Law grads?

[bearcat65]

I say again, some people just don't know their history.

Some choose to ignore it and see what they want to.

[CinciX12]

Seriously? They can't figure out how to get tickets? How embarrassing.

Pass this link on to your buddy: UC student tickets (http://www.gobearcats.com/tickets/cinn-tickets-student.html) Feel free to mention it took me exactly 21 seconds to find this on the internet.

Our students couldn't figure it out either. Just saying.

[coasterville95]

That strikes me as odd, according to goxavier.com they have moved to a similar sounding arrangement, with having sutdents order tickets through My Musketeers, then it "puts the ticket on their All Card" I've seen the student section pretty full, pretty early for each of our five games so far. If you arrive at Cintas before gates open, you can really notice a difference this year with the long line of students who arrive amped up for the game. (Apparently, they don't get their seat assignment until they arrive at the arena, so that causes earlier arrivals)

[Masterofreality]

Seriously? They can't figure out how to get tickets? How embarrassing.

Pass this link on to your buddy: UC student tickets (http://www.gobearcats.com/tickets/cinn-tickets-student.html) Feel free to mention it took me exactly 21 seconds to find this on the internet.

Nice xeus.

Wow, that's some "edumacation" that they-re a-gettin' over there.

[xu05usmc]

Nice xeus.

Wow, that's some "edumacation" that they-re a-gettin' over there.

I passed Xeus's info off. They said it is more complicated than that. Apparently getting them online costs $1.50 (big money apparently) and that the online system is always crashing. They also claim that the ticket window on campus where they can pick them up almost never has anyone working. They also have no idea as to when they can start to get tickets (apparently an e-mail or something comes out for football but not basketball). To be honest I don't blame them, I mean with the recent advancements in technology is terribly difficult to find a game schedule or even the ticket office phone number to call them up and ask.

[UC observer]

Dont worry about our attendance. Worry about Dec 13th. Worry about Yancy, Lance and Deonta.

Dayton sells out all the time but they are terrible. Is that a consilation? ND is the most followed program in football and they havent amounted to anything....

If you guys want to spend your time talking about UC attendance then fine but right now UC is playing better than X on the court. That is what matters.

[Tardy Turtle]

Is that a consilation?

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/3589/consilation.jpg

[Juice]

Dont worry about our attendance. Worry about Dec 13th. Worry about Yancy, Lance and Deonta.

Dayton sells out all the time but they are terrible. Is that a consilation? ND is the most followed program in football and they havent amounted to anything....

If you guys want to spend your time talking about UC attendance then fine but right now UC is playing better than X on the court. That is what matters.

It is not about on the court results at all. It is about how UC claims to have great fans but you guys cannot get more than 50% capacity when UC is ranked. UD does suck and their fans are morons, but at least they pack UD arena every night.

Yeah UC is playing better than XU right now.

[kyxu]

Dont worry about our attendance. Worry about Dec 13th. Worry about Yancy, Lance and Deonta.

Dayton sells out all the time but they are terrible. Is that a consilation? ND is the most followed program in football and they havent amounted to anything....

If you guys want to spend your time talking about UC attendance then fine but right now UC is playing better than X on the court. That is what matters.

Disscussion or "worry" about one has zero bearing on the outcome of the other. We're fans. We don't play in the games.

Still, I think it's hilarious a UC fan coming to a Xavier board and suggesting what Xavier fans should discuss. It's good comic relief. Do continue.

[D-West & PO-Z]

UC fans never talk about that stuff good or bad about X. We don't care what you guys do.


Disscussion or "worry" about one has zero bearing on the outcome of the other. We're fans. We don't play in the games.

Still, I think it's hilarious a UC fan coming to a Xavier board and suggesting what Xavier fans should discuss. It's good comic relief. Do continue.

Ya but really they dont care what we do. :rolleyes:

[danaandvictory]

It is not about on the court results at all. It is about how UC claims to have great fans but you guys cannot get more than 50% capacity when UC is ranked. UD does suck and their fans are morons, but at least they pack UD arena every night.

Yeah UC is playing better than XU right now, but at least X fans aren't a bunch of fairweather pussies who still cry about Nancy Zimpher.

Exactly. I think X is likely to lose the Shootout this year, given the way we're playing. Big deal. Our program is still on the right track. Is UC's, once you lose Stephenson, Vaughn and Gates and are stuck with a half-full dump of an arena and are coached by the Fetus for five more years?

[coasterville95]

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel! Are you sure you don't want to keep some of that bottled up to use when the game gets closer?

Just don't want you to use up all your anti-UC smack talk more than a week before the game...

[_LH]

The worst thing that could happen for UC basketball is that they play just good enough this year to be a one and done team in the NCAA's (like most of Huggins's teams). If that happens, Cronin will not be fired and it will take 2-3 more seasons of UC being in the bottom half of the BE before UC goes out and finds a better coach.

If UC is happy making the dance once every 4 years like the majority of the BE, Cronin is your man.

[Xpectations]

If UC is happy making the dance once every 4 years like the majority of the BE, Cronin is your man.

Actually, pretty much half the Big East is getting into the dance each year.

And your team pretty much has a 67% chance of making it each season if it doesn't say St. Johns, DePaul, South Florida or Rutgers on their jerseys.

[???]

Did any of you guys on here see what happened with attendance last year when football ended? If not, it went up alot and the team was still a little suspect. Attendance will be just fine at UC. It went from about 6500 to 10,000 after the last football game and the start of conference play. The fans will be back in the shoe from day one soon. Still alot to prove and the whole city is a little bitchy when it comes to winning

I have no idea why the sportscenter guy would say they are saving for the BK buyout. UC does not have to buy Kelly out of anything? What are they saving for?

XU has good fans. I have no idea why the XU fans are concerned with UC fans coming back. UC has alot of people devoting time to football and their own family activities at this time of year. UC fans are good and there are alot of them.

As for the money, some of the biggest donors for XU still give good money to UC. UC is in talks about getting alot of free money for a new arena in the near future. Basically a hand out b/c they have always been the team representing Cincinnati. Eventually people will realiz where XU is located and what conference they play in.

A coach will never leave UC and say his new school is a lexus compared to UC being a Buick. It just won't happen. In fact the last coach cried his eyes out when he came back to the shoe to coach against UC. That will never happen at XU.

[CinciX12]

Did any of you guys on here see what happened with attendance last year when football ended? If not, it went up alot and the team was still a little suspect. Attendance will be just fine at UC. It went from about 6500 to 10,000 after the last football game and the start of conference play. The fans will be back in the shoe from day one soon. Still alot to prove and the whole city is a little bitchy when it comes to winning

I have no idea why the sportscenter guy would say they are saving for the BK buyout. UC does not have to buy Kelly out of anything? What are they saving for?

XU has good fans. I have no idea why the XU fans are concerned with UC fans coming back. UC has alot of people devoting time to football and their own family activities at this time of year. UC fans are good and there are alot of them.

As for the money, some of the biggest donors for XU still give good money to UC. UC is in talks about getting alot of free money for a new arena in the near future. Basically a hand out b/c they have always been the team representing Cincinnati. Eventually people will realiz where XU is located and what conference they play in.

A coach will never leave UC and say his new school is a lexus compared to UC being a Buick. It just won't happen. In fact the last coach cried his eyes out when he came back to the shoe to coach against UC. That will never happen at XU.

I'm confused. Has there been a football game and a basketball game on the same night?

[???]

I'm confused. Has there been a football game and a basketball game on the same night?


No there has not. What is confusing?

UC Football is wrapping up. Highschool Football just wrapped up. The Bengals are past the mid season point and playing well. Economy is still down. You have to pick and choose what you do right now, well alot of people do. The Bengals are seeing this problem right now too. People are busy with alot of things. This same thing happened last year. In a city this size and so much going on, people are not going to make the 4 or 5 cupcake home games in late November and early December. Especially on Tuesday nights. The fans will be back at UC. They were last year after mid December. Expect for UC to have a few bigger games early on in the future. Now that the team is back to where they should be and can keep building again. UK and OSU are in talks with them now.

As for the guy who commented on the attendance number being tickets sold, that is not accurate. Student tickets are not counted as sold and their are that many season tickets already sold and accounted for. It is the number that the gates report.

[CinciX12]

No there has not. What is confusing?

UC Football is wrapping up. Highschool Football just wrapped up. The Bengals are past the mid season point and playing well. Economy is still down. You have to pick and choose what you do right now, well alot of people do. The Bengals are seeing this problem right now too. People are busy with alot of things. This same thing happened last year. In a city this size and so much going on, people are not going to make the 4 or 5 cupcake home games in late November and early December. Especially on Tuesday nights. The fans will be back at UC. They were last year after mid December. Expect for UC to have a few bigger games early on in the future. Now that the team is back to where they should be and can keep building again. UK and OSU are in talks with them now.

As for the guy who commented on the attendance number being tickets sold, that is not accurate. Student tickets are not counted as sold and their are that many season tickets already sold and accounted for. It is the number that the gates report.

You're not too quick.

The fact that football is still going on SHOULD NOT MATTER. The games are not played at the same times. No excuses. Play like a Champion like its 1988.

[danaandvictory]

Heh. I wish there was a spotlight with which I could summon the BOB HUGGINS POLITICAL MACHINE. Snipe, it's time. You are our Jack Bauer. Something must be done.

My thought: A huge banner stating "IT'S STILL OUR TOWN" to be unfurled if we beat UC on Sunday.

[danaandvictory]

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel! Are you sure you don't want to keep some of that bottled up to use when the game gets closer?

Just don't want you to use up all your anti-UC smack talk more than a week before the game...

Coaster, I've got plenty saved up. Don't you worry.

[???]

You're not too quick.

The fact that football is still going on SHOULD NOT MATTER. The games are not played at the same times. No excuses. Play like a Champion like its 1988.

The fact is it does matter at several places, not just UC. Does it mater at UK, No but when you have several options and money is tight you have to pick 1 sometimes. As I mentioned before, the fans will be in house starting Thursday at US Bank.

XU had a nice little run over the past couple of years. Better than the every two or three years in the 90's. They will beat UC from time to time like they have over the last 15 years(well XU has the upper hand in that time frame). I just do not see them keeping up what they have done recently. The fans are great though and I hope they continue to win for the City. Even the A-10 has about 4 or 5 decent teams this year. So winning it is not as much of a lock as it has been in recent years.

UC went through a tough rebuild and hopefully they are back, I did not think that XU would have any struggles when Miller left but I think they will have a tough little road ahead starting soon. A small rebuilding project that will take a while to get back on track.

[xsteve1]

Problem with UC is that while they have a nice team this year. Vaughn and Stephenson are gone after this year and Gates may test NBA waters as well. Mick has one signed player for next year, a three star guy while X's recruiting is much better the next two years with a bunch of four star players.

[Juice]

Problem with UC is that while they have a nice team this year. Vaughn and Stephenson are gone after this year and Gates may test NBA waters as well. Mick has one signed player for next year, a three star guy while X's recruiting is much better the next two years with a bunch of four star players.

I have been saying this same thing to my UC friends for months. UC will be very good this year but they lose too much in Vaughn and Stephenson. They are taking one step forward and two steps back next year. Mick is not recruiting very well besides Yancy Gates, who is from Cincinnati so that was an easy get and Lance Stephenson doesn't count because no one wanted him besides UC.

UC fans will talk about how they are back when they make the tournament this year but they will fall back to the bottom half of the Big East next season.

[CinciX12]

Heh. I wish there was a spotlight with which I could summon the BOB HUGGINS POLITICAL MACHINE. Snipe, it's time. You are our Jack Bauer. Something must be done.

My thought: A huge banner stating "IT'S STILL OUR TOWN" to be unfurled if we beat UC on Sunday.

Oh, I have that sign made already. Don't you worry.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The fact is it does matter at several places, not just UC. Does it mater at UK, No but when you have several options and money is tight you have to pick 1 sometimes. As I mentioned before, the fans will be in house starting Thursday at US Bank.

XU had a nice little run over the past couple of years. Better than the every two or three years in the 90's. They will beat UC from time to time like they have over the last 15 years(well XU has the upper hand in that time frame). I just do not see them keeping up what they have done recently. The fans are great though and I hope they continue to win for the City. Even the A-10 has about 4 or 5 decent teams this year. So winning it is not as much of a lock as it has been in recent years.

UC went through a tough rebuild and hopefully they are back, I did not think that XU would have any struggles when Miller left but I think they will have a tough little road ahead starting soon. A small rebuilding project that will take a while to get back on track.

See the problem with your argument is that Xavier fans are all showing up and they live in the same freaking city! There is just as much for fans of XU basketball to being doing as UC basketball fans. XU basketball fans are also Bengals fans, high school football fans, and college football fans (even some UC football fans). So your excuse for UC basketball fans holds no water.

[Xpectations]

XU had a nice little run over the past couple of years. Better than the every two or three years in the 90's. They will beat UC from time to time like they have over the last 15 years(well XU has the upper hand in that time frame). I just do not see them keeping up what they have done recently.

Not keeping up? We have arguably our best recruiting class ever coming in next season (4 Top 130 players), and we already have an entire backcourt in the Top 70 committed the folowing year.

Also, we have done more than beat UC "from time to time" over the past 15 years. Since the 1980s we've beaten UC more often than not, and we've won 9 of the past 13. I'd call that more than "from time to time."

[Xpectations]

See the problem with your argument is that Xavier fans are all showing up and they live in the same freaking city! There is just as much for fans of XU basketball to being doing as UC basketball fans. XU basketball fans are also Bengals fans, high school football fans, and college football fans (even some UC football fans). So your excuse for UC basketball fans holds no water.

...especially when you consider that there are almost 10x more people with direct UC ties than XU ties due to the scale of the two schools. Xavier should never be able to outdraw UC but they do.

[???]

I have been saying this same thing to my UC friends for months. UC will be very good this year but they lose too much in Vaughn and Stephenson. They are taking one step forward and two steps back next year. Mick is not recruiting very well besides Yancy Gates, who is from Cincinnati so that was an easy get and Lance Stephenson doesn't count because no one wanted him besides UC.

UC fans will talk about how they are back when they make the tournament this year but they will fall back to the bottom half of the Big East next season.

UC has two players signed for next season. Pretty good players. They beat out some solid teams for them. Check their offers. Solid Offers. UC loses Vaughn, maybe Stephenson, probably not Gates. They have plenty of guards to step up for Vaughn and Lance. Both big losses but you have to lose Seniors and good players leave. At least neither is selfish and will give us a good season effort.

If you want to talk about stars on players then you have no idea how recruiting works. Ask Wesley Johnson from Syracuse about "stars". XU has one 4 star player coming in, yes one not a bunch. This could not be a partial qualifier at UL so he was recruited over. Big East does not allow partial qualifiers. Look for Dee Davis to open his recruitment up too. IU will be a player.

XU fans are also Reds, Bengals, Highschool football fans with kids that play football. I know they are busy too. XU has good fans. It is a little different though. Do you think that any of the 15,000 people in Pittsburgh wearing UC gear today were XU basketball fans? Probably not. All UC fans.

Mick is recruiting very well. Pay attention. As I said before, UC hoops fans will be back and they showed well last year starting about this time.

[CinciX12]

UC has two players signed for next season. Pretty good players. They beat out some solid teams for them. Check their offers. Solid Offers. UC loses Vaughn, maybe Stephenson, probably not Gates. They have plenty of guards to step up for Vaughn and Lance. Both big losses but you have to lose Seniors and good players leave. At least neither is selfish and will give us a good season effort.

Thanks for reassuring us you're an idiot. It was iffy for awhile.

[Retire33]

XU had a nice little run over the past couple of years. Better than the every two or three years in the 90's.

Nice and Little?

Try naming the last time any UC team did what X has done in March over the past 5 years; let alone 95% of D-1 college programs. Oh, and before you do, don't say you did it when the NCAA tournament was 8 or 16 teams or when it was a stepping stone to the NIT; the modern era of college hoops is post-1979.

[kyxu]

If you want to talk about stars on players then you have no idea how recruiting works. Ask Wesley Johnson from Syracuse about "stars". XU has one 4 star player coming in, yes one not a bunch. This could not be a partial qualifier at UL so he was recruited over. Big East does not allow partial qualifiers. Look for Dee Davis to open his recruitment up too. IU will be a player.

Yeah, we'll look for that.

[_LH]

I have been saying this same thing to my UC friends for months. UC will be very good this year but they lose too much in Vaughn and Stephenson. They are taking one step forward and two steps back next year. Mick is not recruiting very well besides Yancy Gates, who is from Cincinnati so that was an easy get and Lance Stephenson doesn't count because no one wanted him besides UC.

UC fans will talk about how they are back when they make the tournament this year but they will fall back to the bottom half of the Big East next season.

That's exactly what I was talking about that expectations missed. 7-8 teams make the NCAA's out of 16 BE in most years. Competition for those 7-8 spots is fierce so while UC may make the dance this year, it could easily be 4 years before their next one. Cronin has certainly not positioned UC to be one of the top 7-8 BE teams year in and year out.