Following Arizona (formerly Arizona vs. Rice Thread)

[coasterville95]

In case anybody cares to see our former head coach in action at his new job - the game is at 10:30pm on (Cincinnati) Time Warner 319. (Look for Fox College Sports - Arizona on other systems) TW customers will need to have that Sports and Games Tier.

[GoMuskies]

Go Hooters!

[SixFig]

Sad that you need the same level sports package to see Arizona as you do a team only a few miles away

[coasterville95]

I forgot to check to see if their game is being pre-empted by an NBA or NHL game, this IS Fox Sports after all.

[XUglow]

One of my programming departments in Silicon Valley in the early 90's had 14 Chinese guys and an Englishman named Rice. You can't make this stuff up.

Go Owls!

[DC Muskie]

One of my programming departments in Silicon Valley in the early 90's had 14 Chinese guys and an Englishman named Rice. You can't make this stuff up.

Now that is funny.

[coasterville95]

Gee, where have I heard this before. Arizona's head coach held a student meetign and instructed them thusly:


In an effort to build a more cohesive and passionate student section, Miller introduced new chants, adding to McKale’s intense environment.

“You made the best first impression a student body could make on a coach,” Miller said addressing the crowd. “I want to have a relationship between me as a coach and you as students.”

Students watched the end of the Wildcats’ practice, which was open to all students at 6 p.m., before learning plays of their own.

Miller introduced the team, then went straight to his objective. He explained that the first four minutes of a game are crucial because 80 percent of the time the winning team in that time period goes on to win the game.

During those first four minutes, students are instructed to:

Yell, “Boing!” every time the opposing team dribbles.

Yell, “Pass!” for every pass.

Yell, “Brick!” for every shot.

Now I am even more glad to see that chant has not come back this year. Though I do like the team entering through the student section, which is still being done.

[Muskie]

I guess you have to instruct the fans at the "Elite" schools too.

[XUglow]

Yell, “Buick!!” every time the opposing team dribbles.

Yell, “Buick!” for every pass.

Yell, “Buick!” for every shot.

Yell, "Lexus!" when we rebound the shot.


I think this is what he meant.

[Woodburn]

Now I am even more glad to see that chant has not come back this year.

Agreed - this is one thing I certainly won't miss. Embarrassingly cheesy.

[CinciX12]

Gee, where have I heard this before. Arizona's head coach held a student meetign and instructed them thusly:


Now I am even more glad to see that chant has not come back this year. Though I do like the team entering through the student section, which is still being done.

That wasn't Miller's idea. At least he didn't introduce it to the students.

[bobbiemcgee]

Az 9-0 Rice 3 to's fans with the boing boing pass pretty funny.

[AviatorX]

boing, boing, boing, boing, pass, brick.

[jco17]

Lute actually did the same thing when he came to Arizona from Iowa. He was very involved with the students and at one point we had the nation's longest unbeaten streak at home. I know of quite a few crowds that do this, Duke comes to mind.

[coasterville95]

I have to check the score - fell asleep at halftime. Rice was that bad. As the commentators said, when you play scared, you don't win.

[XUglow]

Lute actually did the same thing when he came to Arizona from Iowa. He was very involved with the students and at one point we had the nation's longest unbeaten streak at home. I know of quite a few crowds that do this, Duke comes to mind.

Lute? The Star Wars guy? Darth Vader's son? I think he was from Tatooine... not Iowa.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hill will be a force @ AZ. Very fluid. Kryl can't handle a college double team yet. I would say he is tied with our Robinson for development right now. Rice got off to a terrible start and never recovered a la our YSU game. Az is quick but no real burners. Nic Wise couldn't hold Crawford's jock strap.

[bobbiemcgee]

BOING girls:

http://www.azcardinals.com/cheerleaders/cheer-squad-2009.html

[SixFig]

BOING girls:

http://www.azcardinals.com/cheerleaders/cheer-squad-2009.html

Rep whore...

[coasterville95]

Yeah, I caught Miller's half time comments, and I could tell he wasn't excatly happy about the performance. The spread could have been a lot worse. Rice just buried themselves too far in the first 15 minutes. I hear Rice got within 6 at one point in the second half. Wish I would have stayed up sounds like the second half was the better of the two. Interesting note, Rice has an Iranian player, I think the commentators said he was the first Iranian to receive a basketball schollie at a US school.

They next go to the tournament at Maui, which is, incidenttly, the same one the Bearkittens are going to. That means there is a 25% chance the two will meet on Day 3 of the tournament.

So for all those still holding a grudge against Miller - if the two meet on Day 3 of the tournament: Bearkitties or Wildcats? I can see Cronin: "I thought I just got rid of you!"

First round game is a MIDNIGHT tip on Monday vs. Wisconsin. ESPN2 for those who care.

[XerXes]

Lute? The Star Wars guy? Darth Vader's son? I think he was from Tatooine... not Iowa.

Reps for that. Nothing like a Star Wars reference

[blobfan]

Yeah, I caught Miller's half time comments, and I could tell he wasn't excatly happy about the performance. The spread could have been a lot worse. Rice just buried themselves too far in the first 15 minutes. I hear Rice got within 6 at one point in the second half. Wish I would have stayed up sounds like the second half was the better of the two. Interesting note, Rice has an Iranian player, I think the commentators said he was the first Iranian to receive a basketball schollie at a US school.

They next go to the tournament at Maui, which is, incidenttly, the same one the Bearkittens are going to. That means there is a 25% chance the two will meet on Day 3 of the tournament.

So for all those still holding a grudge against Miller - if the two meet on Day 3 of the tournament: Bearkitties or Wildcats? I can see Cronin: "I thought I just got rid of you!"

First round game is a MIDNIGHT tip on Monday vs. Wisconsin. ESPN2 for those who care.

Bearkitties. Always vote to boost the RPI. No matter how much I dislike an opponent, it's not worth seeing them fail if it hurts us. That's why I begrudgingly root for UD, if forced.

[CinciX12]

Bearkitties. Always vote to boost the RPI. No matter how much I dislike an opponent, it's not worth seeing them fail if it hurts us. That's why I begrudgingly root for UD, if forced.

I like UC more than I like Arizona. I hope Miller shoves his cowboy hat up his ass and wrecks his lexus off a cliff.

[Muskie]

After several requests we have your one stop shop for those who want to follow the exploits of Sean Miller out in Arizona.

[nuts4xu]

Sean Miller is a Great American!!

[coasterville95]

Muskie - thanks for the rename!

In keeping with the spirit, here is my post after the Wisconsin game:

Sean Miller may well have had a breakdown last night: They lost to Wisconsin, from the recap on ESPN it sounds like it was a close and exciting finish despite the fact Wisconsin was handling Arizona pretty soundly in the first half. I can't seem to make it to the second half, I guess the halftime report on TV puts me to sleep when the game starts at WayTooLate O'Clock.

It's his first showing for Arizona against a real team, one that he had just beaten in his second last game with Xavier. Too bad this could not have been his second game with Arizona, there would have been some interesting symetry there. Has to be at least a little frustrating for him.

I was awake long enough for the ESPN obligatory "Send it in Jerome" story, did you know he was a star for Pitt? At least we are getting some good shoutouts from ESPN, since he doesn't really have any Arizona history yet, they had to commentate on his performance at Xavier.

However - I think this pretty much means he won't face the Bearcats in the tournament. I wonder if he will pull a Huggins and schedule UC at US Bank Arena...

I'll remove the post from the other thread so it can stay honed in on the Cake Boss comparison, which I totally agree with, BTW.

[TheDanimal]

The best part about watching this game last night is that, during halftime, I switched to SportsCenter and Stuart Scott mispronounced his own name on a live broadcast... it was pretty sweet

[waggy]

I watched the end of the game. While I was rooting against him, I still love Sean. He's gained more weight I think. He better lose some.

[coasterville95]

Well they are holding onto a tenuous 1 point lead at half againt Colorado.

[coasterville95]

Tie game 7:31

Colorado up 1 at final media timeout but Arizona gets 1 foul shot call it still tied.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Overtime! AZ crumbled at the end.

[XerXes]

I changed it thinking that the game was over. I changed it back and it was tied with very little time left. I'm rooting so hard for Colorado right now. Can't stand Miller and his new team.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I changed it thinking that the game was over. I changed it back and it was tied with very little time left. I'm rooting so hard for Colorado right now. Can't stand Miller and his new team.

Same here. Go Buffs.

[BlueX]

Quite surprising that a Lexus needed an extra lap to beat a little Chevy Colorado.

[Masterofreality]

Gawd,

The desert raccoon must have moved from Tucson to Goodyear and is living in an airship hangar with aerial photograhy as his sidelite.

All he must have been eating since his departure is cheese enchiladas, refried beans, guacamole, and lard laden burritos. Must be too hot to exercise in the wasteland.

I hope Amy is not on the bottom!

[UnCaged]

Well, well, well, looks like putting on the blood red of Arizona has turned Sean into Robert Knight Jr. He just chucked his clipboard onto the floor after a timeout. Sort of funny, but something I can't remember him doing during his time at X.

I know Arizona's past and whatnot, but do you think Sean feels more pressure there than he did at X (even though our more recent success would indicate the opposite)? Also, Kryhl does look like he has some nice moves for a freshman. He isn't hitting at the moment, but I could see it being a very good thing if he was at X right now.

It's petty, but I'm cheering for Vandy. I'll someday want Sean to do well, but I'd like him to feel a certain degree of regret for leaving the first year or six. And there's no better way for that to occur than for his team to be sitting at home when X plays it's Elite Eight game.

Go X! Beat Marquette.

[CinciX12]

He just got his first T at Zona too. Maybe bad timing in a close game as well.

[xsteve1]

This Arizona team is bad right now...probably worse than any team he has coached at X. Kyrl is really slow.

[Titanxman04]

My girlfriend sent me the following text:

"Sean Miller looks terrible in red"

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=40462644&id=20902668&op=1&view=global&subj=28700659

I love her. She's perfect.

[muskiefan82]

My girlfriend sent me the following text:

"Sean Miller looks terrible in red"

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=40462644&id=20902668&op=1&view=global&subj=28700659

I love her. She's perfect.

She sounds like a keeper!

[gladdenguy]

Good job Vandy and Wisconsin....good luck getting beat up in a terrible PAC-10 you money loving sicko. CBA.....CBA.....CBA....CBA
GO MUSKIES

[X Factor]

I personally wouldn't mind Sean being the coach who ends Zona's NCAA tournament appearance streak.

[Millerznuts]

I don't come here to flame, but I feel we have a lot of talent and Coach Miller is the right guy to get us back to the NCAA tourney. He is a good guy, and after taking a mid major like Xavier to the elite 8, he has more than proven he has earned a chance to coach a Lexus type program in Arizona.

I am glad to have him and look forward to meeting some of ya'll Xavier fans in the NCAA tourney next spring!!

[xubball93]

I don't come here to flame, but I feel we have a lot of talent and Coach Miller is the right guy to get us back to the NCAA tourney. He is a good guy, and after taking a mid major like Xavier to the elite 8, he has more than proven he has earned a chance to coach a Lexus type program in Arizona.

I am glad to have him and look forward to meeting some of ya'll Xavier fans in the NCAA tourney next spring!!

Miller is a good coach and he elevated Xavier's program past the mid-major label. Too bad he turned into a condescending jerk on his way out the door. I'm not so sure he'll get you to the NCAAs this first year.

[Masterofreality]

Nic Wise alone provided the win vs. Colorado. Without his 36, AZ would have been shut out on the island.

I know that they're young but I saw nothing that was impressive other than Solomon Hill. Kyryl was most assurredly NOT impressive. For a guy who was supposedly such a great shooter, he kept blowing free throws.

The desert raccoon had better trim down. Those oversized shirttail out tents he was wearing were not flattering.

[xsteve1]

I don't come here to flame, but I feel we have a lot of talent and Coach Miller is the right guy to get us back to the NCAA tourney. He is a good guy, and after taking a mid major like Xavier to the elite 8, he has more than proven he has earned a chance to coach a Lexus type program in Arizona.

I am glad to have him and look forward to meeting some of ya'll Xavier fans in the NCAA tourney next spring!!


I smell Bearchatter.

[SixFig]

My girlfriend sent me the following text:

"Sean Miller looks terrible in red"

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=40462644&id=20902668&op=1&view=global&subj=28700659

I love her. She's perfect.

Put a ring on that now.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I smell Bearchatter.

I concur.

[jco17]

I don't come here to flame, but I feel we have a lot of talent and Coach Miller is the right guy to get us back to the NCAA tourney. He is a good guy, and after taking a mid major like Xavier to the elite 8, he has more than proven he has earned a chance to coach a Lexus type program in Arizona.

I am glad to have him and look forward to meeting some of ya'll Xavier fans in the NCAA tourney next spring!!

Congratulations on taking the bait and making yourself look like an ass. We have a very, very young team, but there are more bright spots than some are giving us credit for. Derrick Williams is gonna be a great player as will Solomon Hill. Momo is just way too out of control right now trying to do way too much by himself. Not having Kevin Parrom hurts a good bit, he was easily in the top 6 players on our team. Jamelle Horne had 7 blocks in the Colorado game and that team took it to Gonzaga for most of their game so they were no slouch by any means. Lots of dumb mistakes made for us thus far.

The reason SM got the tech was because the Vandy player was in the lane for about 10 seconds and he yelled it to the ref, "3 Seconds!" No way should that have been a Tech, it was ridiculous, but oh well. They called so many awful fouls in the Maui tournament. The Wiscy game was out of control. They called like 60 some fouls or something like that, just ugly. We didn't lose to a bad team in Maui so I'm not worried at all. Maui was a very good learning experience for us and I'm proud of effort put forth by the kids.

[golfitup]

Congratulations on taking the bait and making yourself look like an ass. We have a very, very young team, but there are more bright spots than some are giving us credit for. Derrick Williams is gonna be a great player as will Solomon Hill. Momo is just way too out of control right now trying to do way too much by himself. Not having Kevin Parrom hurts a good bit, he was easily in the top 6 players on our team. Jamelle Horne had 7 blocks in the Colorado game and that team took it to Gonzaga for most of their game so they were no slouch by any means. Lots of dumb mistakes made for us thus far.

The reason SM got the tech was because the Vandy player was in the lane for about 10 seconds and he yelled it to the ref, "3 Seconds!" No way should that have been a Tech, it was ridiculous, but oh well. They called so many awful fouls in the Maui tournament. The Wiscy game was out of control. They called like 60 some fouls or something like that, just ugly. We didn't lose to a bad team in Maui so I'm not worried at all. Maui was a very good learning experience for us and I'm proud of effort put forth by the kids.

Please just go away. We know Sean is a good coach. That's why we wanted him to stay.

[jco17]

Please just go away. We know Sean is a good coach. That's why we wanted him to stay.

Don't read the thread then. I mean no offense, but if you don't want to hear about Sean, don't open an Arizona thread. I'm not here trying to rub anything in, I'm just discussing the topic.

[waggy]

Congratulations on taking the bait and making yourself look like an ass..

So you ARE baiting then?


Don't read the thread then. I mean no offense, but if you don't want to hear about Sean, don't open an Arizona thread. I'm not here trying to rub anything in, I'm just discussing the topic.

Listen, don't come in here and tell our posters what to read or do.

[Muskie]

People are way to sensitive about this issue. If you don't want to read anything about Miller, don't open the thread. It's why we put it here, so there wouldn't be 300 of them to wade through.

[jco17]

So you ARE baiting then?



Listen, don't come in here and tell our posters what to read or do.

1. I am one of your posters. Just because I'm not only an Xavier fan and poster doesn't entitle me to any less on this site. I'm still a member. It's fine for others to make worse statements on here about other posters, but it isn't okay for me to tell somebody to not read something that is obviously a subject they don't want to read about. What would be the best way to say it so I don't offend somebody. I have to walk on eggshells because you don't like that I am not purely and X fan and that's bs and you know it. I have every right to post on this board period.

2. I wasn't baiting him, he was over the line with what he was saying, so I let him know about it. He was being ignorant to your board and your posters. Not sure why you care anyway.

3. I follow Xavier now and I really enjoy reading up about them. However, I know I can't post in the regular threads about my thoughts on the topics because I know I will get mostly hostility, so I don't. However, I like Arizona and Xavier, so when there is a topic that involves Arizona on this site, I'm usually gonna post in those threads.

4. I don't personally attack others and I do my best to not respond to many post that are posted to rile me up. I also apologize when I feel I'm doing something wrong or accidentally offend others. I don't get the same respect. I apologize for saying the A word to another poster, I know cussing is not allowed, so my fault on that one.

[STL_XUfan]

1. I am one of your posters. Just because I'm not only an Xavier fan

If you want to be a Xavier fan, please at least get the pronunciation right.

[jco17]

If you want to be a Xavier fan, please at least get the pronunciation right.

I can do that for sure. I was typing a little too fast I believe.

[MuskieCinci]

Why do people have such negative reactions to JCO? Some posters act like he comes on here and randomly posts during a Xavier game thread about us being a mid-major and Sean Miller loves Zona. Some Xavier people like myself don't mind knowing about Sean and are grateful for what he did for our program. I don't mind seeing him succeed. If other people don't care or don't want to hear about it than stay out of the Around the NCAA section and the thread titled Following Arizona. It sure is being pushed down anyone's throat.

[coasterville95]

This just in from the McHale Center:

Coach Lexus and his Mighty Men just lost to UNLV in a double overtime heart breaker by 2 points. I feel bad for the Arizona players who are about to be the recipients from the Wrath of Sean.

So what model car is UNLV in the basketball world, I mean they are ranked and undefeated thus far this season?

So to jco17 and the other Wildcat fans - what is your take on the incident during the second overtime? (An Arizona player gets knocked to the floor and is lying on the floor writhing in pain, or at least thats how it looked on TV, and the refs wait until UNLV goes over and sinks a bucket before calling the officials timeout due to player injury. I remind you Arizona lost by 2.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This just in from the McHale Center:

Coach Lexus and his Mighty Men just lost to UNLV in a double overtime heart breaker by 2 points. I feel bad for the Arizona players who are about to be the recipients from the Wrath of Sean.

So what model car is UNLV in the basketball world, I mean they are ranked and undefeated thus far this season?

So to jco17 and the other Wildcat fans - what is your take on the incident during the second overtime? (An Arizona player gets knocked to the floor and is lying on the floor writhing in pain, or at least thats how it looked on TV, and the refs wait until UNLV goes over and sinks a bucket before calling the officials timeout due to player injury. I remind you Arizona lost by 2.

Isnt that what the refs have to do unless Arizona is the team with the ball? You cant stop another teams possession can you?

[GoMuskies]

UNLV is a Ford. Poor Lexus never had a chance.

[CinciX12]

Isnt that what the refs have to do unless Arizona is the team with the ball? You cant stop another teams possession can you?

Correct.

[waggy]

Arizona's resume last year wasn't tournament worthy, yet the committee put them in. They could have an even worse record this season and still get in.

[Muskie]

I hope that if some of you are asking Jco for his opinions on the Arizona game that you won't turn around and complain when he says something you don't like. There's a ton of misdirection in this thread towards jco by people who are mad at Miller.

[coasterville95]

Muskie - when have I been abusive towards jco or any of the other Arizona posters?

[Muskie]

Muskie - when have I been abusive towards jco or any of the other Arizona posters?

Not you Coaster. It just seems that many posters jump on him for being an Arizona fan. He's here sharing his thoughts on Miller at Arizona, which is what some people want to read. Like I said earlier in the thread, if people don't want to read about Miller they know to avoid the thread.

[Masterofreality]

3-3 so far.

Life's beautiful among the Seguaros.

[jco17]

This just in from the McHale Center:

Coach Lexus and his Mighty Men just lost to UNLV in a double overtime heart breaker by 2 points. I feel bad for the Arizona players who are about to be the recipients from the Wrath of Sean.

So what model car is UNLV in the basketball world, I mean they are ranked and undefeated thus far this season?

So to jco17 and the other Wildcat fans - what is your take on the incident during the second overtime? (An Arizona player gets knocked to the floor and is lying on the floor writhing in pain, or at least thats how it looked on TV, and the refs wait until UNLV goes over and sinks a bucket before calling the officials timeout due to player injury. I remind you Arizona lost by 2.

Absolutely did the right thing. Now he did get fouled on the play a few times, but it wasn't called, so you have to play on until the play stops. They did the right thing no doubt.

[jco17]

3-3 so far.

Life's beautiful among the Seguaros.

Tough, tough loss last night. The team is just so damn young and having trouble closing out games which will get better as they gain experience. UNLV was a tough team. They beat Louisville earlier in the week. We also lost to Wiscy who just beat #6 Duke and a tough one to a tough Vandy squad. I'm very happy with the effort these guys are showing. It's hard to believe we only have one Sr and one Jr on the team. The defensive intensity has been there every game and they are getting better every game. It's a work in progress for sure, but they do not have a bad loss yet and really should have won 2 of those games.

Miller already broke a clipboard during a game in Maui, but he knows how young our team is and has definately held back. You can tell he is not going completly all out on them, because they are very young trying to learn a new system and adjust to the speed of the college game. I'm sure some are loving it when Sean loses right now and I don't blame you guys. Teasing and razzing me is perfectly fine. I have a great sense of humor. Have a great night guys.

[bobbiemcgee]

hmmmm...Miller is 1-1 against Wisc this yr.

[coasterville95]

jco17: - You're alright by me. I started this thread as a place for those of us who want to follow Sean Miller out into the desert can do that, in a place that won't interfere with the rest of the board. Oh, and if by "Following Miller" you want to substitute "Making fun of all Miller's misfortunes", I'm cool with that as well.

What I saw last night was a team that woulda/coulda/shoulda won. Missed key free throws were one factor, yeah. But I haven't seen a team that is fundamentally flawed. I mean most of your losses have been pretty close, like within 5. One of them to a team that knocked off Duke, another to a ranked undefeated team. No shame in those losses at all. I didn't watch the Vanderbilt game so I can't really comment on that one.

Looks like nothing more than the jittery start of a new coach getting aclimated to a different set of players, and trying to figure out what system works best. As you may have noticed, we have our own jitters to work out with the new coach and several new players thing.

Speaking for myself I'm not fully over his departure. One one hand I really liked him, he's a fun coach to watch and part of me wishes him well on his new job. The other side of me says "You wanted to leave us to play with the "bigger boys", well suffer a little bit"

I don't think he broke any clipboards, to my knowledge while here at Xaiver. Oh he did use some abusive language towards the officials at the end of a televised game. The TV crew tried to bleep it out but it didn't take advanced lip reading skills to figure out what he said. I see on one of the Zona boards that he is publicly calling out a ref in advance of a game. Interesting move, I wonder how that will work out for him. Also see the Zona posters are baffled by some of his substitution patterns. Trust me, they just work...

Man, I knew buying that Sports and Games Tier would come in handy some day, the sad thing is , I can watch Sean Miller coach Arizona, and when they say its on Fox Sports Whatever, it's actually on Fox Sports and not some mystery public access channel.

For those that care, his next outing is a road game up at Oklahoma on Sunday.

[jco17]

jco17: - You're alright by me. I started this thread as a place for those of us who want to follow Sean Miller out into the desert can do that, in a place that won't interfere with the rest of the board. Oh, and if by "Following Miller" you want to substitute "Making fun of all Miller's misfortunes", I'm cool with that as well.

What I saw last night was a team that woulda/coulda/shoulda won. Missed key free throws were one factor, yeah. But I haven't seen a team that is fundamentally flawed. I mean most of your losses have been pretty close, like within 5. One of them to a team that knocked off Duke, another to a ranked undefeated team. No shame in those losses at all. I didn't watch the Vanderbilt game so I can't really comment on that one.

Looks like nothing more than the jittery start of a new coach getting aclimated to a different set of players, and trying to figure out what system works best. As you may have noticed, we have our own jitters to work out with the new coach and several new players thing.

Speaking for myself I'm not fully over his departure. One one hand I really liked him, he's a fun coach to watch and part of me wishes him well on his new job. The other side of me says "You wanted to leave us to play with the "bigger boys", well suffer a little bit"

I don't think he broke any clipboards, to my knowledge while here at Xaiver. Oh he did use some abusive language towards the officials at the end of a televised game. The TV crew tried to bleep it out but it didn't take advanced lip reading skills to figure out what he said. I see on one of the Zona boards that he is publicly calling out a ref in advance of a game. Interesting move, I wonder how that will work out for him. Also see the Zona posters are baffled by some of his substitution patterns. Trust me, they just work...

Man, I knew buying that Sports and Games Tier would come in handy some day, the sad thing is , I can watch Sean Miller coach Arizona, and when they say its on Fox Sports Whatever, it's actually on Fox Sports and not some mystery public access channel.

For those that care, his next outing is a road game up at Oklahoma on Sunday.

The Wildcats take on OU in Norman December 6th at 7pm est on ESPNU. Heartbreaking loss for sure, but a game we should have won. That's the problem with young teams, they usually have trouble putting teams away. They should have put Vandy, Wiscy, and UNLV away. They had their chances, they just failed to do it. Frustrating as it is to watch, I know how young the team is this year, and the effort they put forth is outstanding.

[CinciX12]

Tough, tough loss last night. The team is just so damn young and having trouble closing out games which will get better as they gain experience. UNLV was a tough team. They beat Louisville earlier in the week. We also lost to Wiscy who just beat #6 Duke and a tough one to a tough Vandy squad. I'm very happy with the effort these guys are showing. It's hard to believe we only have one Sr and one Jr on the team. The defensive intensity has been there every game and they are getting better every game. It's a work in progress for sure, but they do not have a bad loss yet and really should have won 2 of those games.

Miller already broke a clipboard during a game in Maui, but he knows how young our team is and has definately held back. You can tell he is not going completly all out on them, because they are very young trying to learn a new system and adjust to the speed of the college game. I'm sure some are loving it when Sean loses right now and I don't blame you guys. Teasing and razzing me is perfectly fine. I have a great sense of humor. Have a great night guys.

Sean will still throw that clipboard like a giant douche for 10 years. Thats what he does when he gets mad and is what many coaches do when they get mad. I personally think the way to get into a college guys head is to get 2 inches away from his face and scream at him. The clipboard would have just made me smirk.

[X Factor]

Halftime - Arizona down 18, 26-44, at Oklahoma.

Lexus (cough, cough) :)

[Xman95]

Halftime - Arizona down 18, 26-44, at Oklahoma.

Lexus (cough, cough) :)

57-33 with 15:00 left.

Somebody call AAA...there's a Lexus that needs a tow.

[xsteve1]

Oklahoma 79 Lute U 62 .......like UC hoops will always be about Huggins, IU will always be about Knight, and Arizona will always be about Lute.

[GoMuskies]

Oklahoma 79 Lute U 62 .......like UC hoops will always be about Huggins, IU will always be about Knight, and Arizona will always be about Lute.

And Sean will be about Sean.

[coasterville95]

What a fantastic day in Sports:

* Bengals Won
* Steelers Lost
* Browns Lost
* Lady Muskies clobbered the Lady Bearkitties
- I'll even take UC Beating Pitt, which means Kelley is that much closer to being the next coach at Notre Dame!
Because:
Sean Miller U. Lost!

Darn, those Lexus' sure aren't reliable, are they?

[GuyFawkes38]

Sean Miller had a great recruiting class which every AZ fan should be proud of.

But he didn't recruit Calipari or Roy Williams type talent. You can't just plug in some freshmen and coast into a NCAA tourney bid (unless your Calipari or Roy Williams, of course).

[chico]

Cardinals just knocked off the Vikings.

[Xman95]

What a fantastic day in Sports:

* Bengals Won
* Steelers Lost
* Browns Lost

That's every week!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Giants back in the hunt!

[jco17]

They looked really inexperienced last night. The youth showed for sure. It was their first trip to a hostile environment and they didn't play well at all. Willie Warren did whatever he felt like in that game. He was making threes from damn near half court it seemed. It's a great recruiting class, no doubt about it. However, you can't rely that heavily on freshman and expect to dominate, unless you have players like Cousins, Wall, Bledsoe, etc. Also, UK was struggling at the beginning of the year, but they were not playing anybody worth a damn.

They still haven't played a true road game. They played UNC at Rupp too. Now anyway you can beat UNC, you're doing well, no doubt about it. However, if they had played Wicy, Vandy, OU, or UNLV in the beginning of the season, they would have lost at least one/two games as well.

Last night, we played awful. We were blown out on the road in a very tough place to play. That's the only game that I felt we didn't have a chance to win. On the road with a team this young is not good at all this early in the season. It will be nice when this team reaches its potential. Got our butts handed to us last night though, no doubt.

[bobbiemcgee]

it happens.

[Fred Garvin]

jco, thanks for the updates!

[jco17]

jco, thanks for the updates!

You're very welcome.

[jco17]

it happens.

Sometimes a good butt beating wakes you up. I hope that's what it does to the young Cats to help them realize their potential. OU was a hard nosed team and they pushed us around all night long.

[xsteve1]

Lute U takes on La. Tech tonight....13-11 La. Tech at first media TO.

[jco17]

Lute U takes on La. Tech tonight....13-11 La. Tech at first media TO.

35-31 Arizona at half. La Tech looks good offensively. I didn't know they had Magnum Rolle on their squad until recently. We've shot ourselves in the foot a good bit too.

[coasterville95]

Coach Lexus getting his arse handed to him on the road by San Diego State - 13 point deficit at halftime.

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like Kansas State pounded UNLV 95-80

[coasterville95]

Coach Lexus is about to get blown out of the gym.Down 19 with 53 ticks of the clock left.

Their fansite is starting to melt:
http://forum.goazcats.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2

[bobbiemcgee]

They don't seem too impressed with Kyrl.

[Masterofreality]

Coach Lexus is about to get blown out of the gym.Down 19 with 53 ticks of the clock left.

Their fansite is starting to melt:
http://forum.goazcats.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2

Wasn't this same post on a Xavier messageboard after last Wednesday?

Quote:
"Losing like this, to a team like sdsu....

I can't blame someone for questioning the coaching. Does our team have issues with young players, etc etc etc....sure.

But we look flat out bad. Can't inbound. Can't shoot. Can't rebound. Lots of lapses on defense.

I know t-bag is gonna catch a lot of flak for the post, but I can't fault him for thinking we should be better than we're showing.

:::

we have 24 points in nearly 26 minutes of play so far...

oh, wait, as I was typing that, a bucket, 26 points in 26 minutes. "UnQuote.

Uh, wasn't something very close to this post on a Xavier messageboard after last Wednesday?

Quote:
"Yeah, it's not like:

1) We lost 2 NBA players
2) Are on our 4th coach in 4 years
3) Are playing our second true road game, playing a ton of Freshmen and Sophomores

Or anything. Right? And even if this class is "very talented", how talented is Jamelle Horne, really? How many Freshmen come in and make a huge impact immediately? Not many, unless they are John Wall or Xavier Henry.

This is far from shocking.

Whatever your expectations were coming into this season, they were nuts. "UnQuote


Wow, fans sure are the same everywhere.

[coasterville95]

More than you know,


going to almost any given fanboard, you can find posts about the the "Wine and Cheese'ers" taking up valuable prime seating in the arena and student seating getting shafted. I have read posts taking pot shots at the student sectionon a few different schools boards.

I think it's all just basketball fans being basketball fans, or sports fans being sports fans,regardless of the program involved.

[GoMuskies]

MOR, I think the teams are playing a pretty similarly lousy brand of basketball right now. Same lousy team, same fan reaction.

After one of these two teams beats their crosstown rival tonight, though, I think the tone on one of the boards will be a bit different.

[GuyFawkes38]

This might be a question for the zona fans that occasionally read this thread.

As we all saw from the UC game, Lance Stephenson is really, really good. He's strong, athletic, can drive to hole, and has a nice 3 point shot. I know that Miller prefers not have one and dones, and lance has some off the court issues, but he would have given Miller a huge lift.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://forum.goazcats.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2

[coasterville95]

That board looks almost like MM just a few years ago.

I know it's been said that several basetball talking heads and experts have predicted this will be the year Arizona breaks its NCAA appearance streak, and that Sean Miller was brought in to do some long term stablization and restoration to the program, however can you imagine the fanbase if the NCAA doesn't include Arizona. I don't think they are as rabid as UK fans (who is?), but if you think that board looks ugly or is in meltdown mode now...

GoMuskies - just as you predicted, one of those two teams defeated their crosstown rival Sunday, and the tone on that team's board is much improved. Funny how that happens!

[SixFig]

I like Sean Miller and would do nothing but shake his hand and thank him for his time if I saw him, but the "Fire Sean Miller" threads make me giggle a little.

[bobbiemcgee]

I like Sean Miller and would do nothing but shake his hand and thank him for his time if I saw him, but the "Fire Sean Miller" threads make me giggle a little.

I'd shake his hand after wiping my ass with it.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

Incredible...

Only scoring 46 points against SDSU???

Nic Wise has got to be pissed he didn't go pro

[bobbiemcgee]

Incredible...

Only scoring 46 points against SDSU???

Nic Wise has got to be pissed he didn't go pro

If he keeps playing the way he has, won't have to worry about it.

Did we ever run a fire beaknose or sean thread on MM?

[jco17]

http://forum.goazcats.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2

That's our free board over there. Not exactly the most level headed board. Our board can get bad too, but for the most part the posters can be a little bit more understanding knowing everything that is going on here. Some people want to win big and right away. It's just not that easy. The team is unbelievably young and zero of the players have any experience in Miller's system so they are all still learning. Not having Parrom hurts a good bit too, he was definately gonna be one of our better players, but thankfully he should be back in a few weeks.

Should we be getting blown out, absolutely not, but I knew it was gonna happen multiple times on the road against very good competition. SDSU is a very solid team and they've been playing fantastic at home. They have pretty much their entire team back from last year that just missed the tournament. Shouldn't be getting our butt kicked like that, but I'd rather get it out of the way now. We are playing a tough schedule so far, not as tough as we usually do, but still a tough schedule thus far. Thank the lord we have some more home games and we've played very well at home this year so far.

The reason Miller didn't take Stephenson is there is a chance that his saga is still not over yet. He very well good be found ineligible later on and cost Cincy their entire season. It was a big risk to take him and really the only team that would was Cincy. Most teams stayed as far away from him as they could. The risk could pay off for Cronin, but let's be honest here. What does he have to lose? It's worth the risk in his case, because his program is gonna lose their patients with him sooner or later unless he starts winning more often.

I think our team is doing okay right now, not good, just okay, and I think we will get better. We may or may not make the tournament. I'm concerned with the development of the team and players. Definately a rebuilding year + installing a new system is gonna = some struggle. Only an idiot would want a coach fired before we even get to conference play in the coache's first season. I'm impressed with the coaching that goes on during games. They do a great job of getting 8-9 players experience in every game. That type of stuff pays off later on in the season and players careers. I'm not in panic mode at all, I'm a little frustrated with the play of our more experienced players, but there is so much more season to play.

Thanks guys.

[GoMuskies]

Did we ever run a fire beaknose or sean thread on MM?

It was probably pretty close after the Bucknell loss for Sean.

[Masterofreality]

Did we ever run a fire beaknose or sean thread on MM?

Beaknose? UMmmm, after we lost at Iowa State. Definitely after the team absolutely quit against GW there- right before Lionel took control, beat UC and set them off to the finish.

Desert Racoon? About 5 times in the first two years until they pulled out the A-10 Tournament win in Zinzinnati.

[jdm2000]

I'd shake his hand after wiping my ass with it.

Wait, what? That seems like it would be unpleasant for both of you then...

[bobbiemcgee]

Beaknose? UMmmm, after we lost at Iowa State. Definitely after the team absolutely quit against GW there- right before Lionel took control, beat UC and set them off to the finish.

Desert Racoon? About 5 times in the first two years until they pulled out the A-10 Tournament win in Zinzinnati.

TUTU the new Lionel?
Sorry, just wishing.

[STL_XUfan]

I'd shake his hand after wiping my ass with it. Wait, what? That seems like it would be unpleasant for both of you then...
http://dadrants.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/mallrats_stinkpalm1.jpeg

Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): You stinkpalm him.
T.S. Quint (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518718/): Stinkpalm?
Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): You take your hand and stick it in your ass like this. You been walkin' all day and you're nervous, so no doubt you'll be sweaty as hell.
T.S. Quint (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518718/): You should see yourself right now, a grown man with his hand down his pants.
Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): Yeah i probably look like my old man. So you shake hands with the guy, "Hello Mr. Svenning how have you been?"
T.S. Quint (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518718/): Whats the point?
Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): You know how long it takes for that smell to come off? Scrub all you want, it'll stick around for at least two days. How does he explain it to his colleagues and family? They'll think he doesn't know how to wipe his ass properly.
T.S. Quint (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518718/): Meanwhile you yourself are left with a hand that smells like shit.
Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): Small price to pay for the smiting of one's enemies.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://dadrants.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/mallrats_stinkpalm1.jpeg

Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): You stinkpalm him.
T.S. Quint (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518718/): Stinkpalm?
Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): You take your hand and stick it in your ass like this. You been walkin' all day and you're nervous, so no doubt you'll be sweaty as hell.
T.S. Quint (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518718/): You should see yourself right now, a grown man with his hand down his pants.
Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): Yeah i probably look like my old man. So you shake hands with the guy, "Hello Mr. Svenning how have you been?"
T.S. Quint (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518718/): Whats the point?
Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): You know how long it takes for that smell to come off? Scrub all you want, it'll stick around for at least two days. How does he explain it to his colleagues and family? They'll think he doesn't know how to wipe his ass properly.
T.S. Quint (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0518718/): Meanwhile you yourself are left with a hand that smells like shit.
Brodie (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005134/): Small price to pay for the smiting of one's enemies.

HAHA...yeah, I'm old and would still "stinkpalm" him.

[CATfan]

That's our free board over there. Not exactly the most level headed board. Our board can get bad too, but for the most part the posters can be a little bit more understanding knowing everything that is going on here. Some people want to win big and right away. It's just not that easy. The team is unbelievably young and zero of the players have any experience in Miller's system so they are all still learning. Not having Parrom hurts a good bit too, he was definately gonna be one of our better players, but thankfully he should be back in a few weeks.

Should we be getting blown out, absolutely not, but I knew it was gonna happen multiple times on the road against very good competition. SDSU is a very solid team and they've been playing fantastic at home. They have pretty much their entire team back from last year that just missed the tournament. Shouldn't be getting our butt kicked like that, but I'd rather get it out of the way now. We are playing a tough schedule so far, not as tough as we usually do, but still a tough schedule thus far. Thank the lord we have some more home games and we've played very well at home this year so far.

The reason Miller didn't take Stephenson is there is a chance that his saga is still not over yet. He very well good be found ineligible later on and cost Cincy their entire season. It was a big risk to take him and really the only team that would was Cincy. Most teams stayed as far away from him as they could. The risk could pay off for Cronin, but let's be honest here. What does he have to lose? It's worth the risk in his case, because his program is gonna lose their patients with him sooner or later unless he starts winning more often.

I think our team is doing okay right now, not good, just okay, and I think we will get better. We may or may not make the tournament. I'm concerned with the development of the team and players. Definately a rebuilding year + installing a new system is gonna = some struggle. Only an idiot would want a coach fired before we even get to conference play in the coache's first season. I'm impressed with the coaching that goes on during games. They do a great job of getting 8-9 players experience in every game. That type of stuff pays off later on in the season and players careers. I'm not in panic mode at all, I'm a little frustrated with the play of our more experienced players, but there is so much more season to play.

Thanks guys.
Wrong. Our board tends to have an old guard that squelches any opposing thought process.
Our board doesn't get that some don't expect miracles but we do expect an honest effort, rather than people standing around looking like they're dumber than dirt. We've all gotten too tied up in the 'we're Arizona' mantra.
Am I here to flame you? No, I'm an alumni and fan. However, you don't need to come to an opposing board and give this long drawn out explanation.
Do we have a young team? Yes, but there are a lot younger out there. Do we have a new coach and a new system, yes, but there are a lot of others out there in the same boat.
The guy who torched us at SDSU is a relatively unheralded Frosh.
The freshmen on teams that are performing quite well weren't ranked as high as ours. Did everyone at the time on our board, praise Sean for 'stealing' those great guys? YES

Should all the blame for lack of effort be placed on the players? Absolutely not. Being a great coach is being a great motivator and I haven't seen that yet. Nic? He's underperforming like he doesn't want to be there. Jamelle, well a 5 star out of HS, supposedly an excellent student, he has 0 basketball IQ.

I have to say that the UofA board has never hesitated to trash Lute when the teams lost, KO or even Russ last year. They don't hesitate to call out a player but Sean is off limits?
2 million dollars says we have every right to have expectations of him. On the whole our board comes off like a bunch of whining, excuse making weenies.

[Masterofreality]

Wrong. Our board tends to have an old guard that squelches any opposing thought process.
Our board doesn't get that some don't expect miracles but we do expect an honest effort, rather than people standing around looking like they're dumber than dirt. We've all gotten too tied up in the 'we're Arizona' mantra.
Am I here to flame you? No, I'm an alumni and fan. However, you don't need to come to an opposing board and give this long drawn out explanation.
Do we have a young team? Yes, but there are a lot younger out there. Do we have a new coach and a new system, yes, but there are a lot of others out there in the same boat.
The guy who torched us at SDSU is a relatively unheralded Frosh.
The freshmen on teams that are performing quite well weren't ranked as high as ours. Did everyone at the time on our board, praise Sean for 'stealing' those great guys? YES

Should all the blame for lack of effort be placed on the players? Absolutely not. Being a great coach is being a great motivator and I haven't seen that yet. Nic? He's underperforming like he doesn't want to be there. Jamelle, well a 5 star out of HS, supposedly an excellent student, he has 0 basketball IQ.

I have to say that the UofA board has never hesitated to trash Lute when the teams lost, KO or even Russ last year. They don't hesitate to call out a player but Sean is off limits?
2 million dollars says we have every right to have expectations of him. On the whole our board comes off like a bunch of whining, excuse making weenies.

Welcome CATfan and thanks for the perspective. To me you are right on with the "honest effort" statement. I have a problem with college kids being individually singled out for significant criticsm, after all, they are college kids, no matter high profile the program, but if a team collectively is lackadaisical, the kids as a whole deserve some calling out. On the other hand, coaches are being paid the bucks to produce and your present coach left Xavier, in most part, for the money. If you go for the higher payday, there will be high expectations and you shouldn't be surprised when you are the object of doubt.

[jco17]

Wrong. Our board tends to have an old guard that squelches any opposing thought process.
Our board doesn't get that some don't expect miracles but we do expect an honest effort, rather than people standing around looking like they're dumber than dirt. We've all gotten too tied up in the 'we're Arizona' mantra.
Am I here to flame you? No, I'm an alumni and fan. However, you don't need to come to an opposing board and give this long drawn out explanation.
Do we have a young team? Yes, but there are a lot younger out there. Do we have a new coach and a new system, yes, but there are a lot of others out there in the same boat.
The guy who torched us at SDSU is a relatively unheralded Frosh.
The freshmen on teams that are performing quite well weren't ranked as high as ours. Did everyone at the time on our board, praise Sean for 'stealing' those great guys? YES

Should all the blame for lack of effort be placed on the players? Absolutely not. Being a great coach is being a great motivator and I haven't seen that yet. Nic? He's underperforming like he doesn't want to be there. Jamelle, well a 5 star out of HS, supposedly an excellent student, he has 0 basketball IQ.

I have to say that the UofA board has never hesitated to trash Lute when the teams lost, KO or even Russ last year. They don't hesitate to call out a player but Sean is off limits?
2 million dollars says we have every right to have expectations of him. On the whole our board comes off like a bunch of whining, excuse making weenies.

Yep, throw everybody on the bus and lose all hope after we lost on the road to a very good team. They are freshman and they were obviously shooken. Not the first time that's happened. It happens with youth, they get that deer in the headlights look, and look lost on the road. Go ahead and crap all over the team if you want, blame Miller, blame Horne, blame Nic, blame Lute, or whoever the heck else you want if it makes you feel better. It's a team issue, everybody needs to pick it up.

Name 1 elite player on our roster, just one. There isn't one. There is one player that can dominate games every now and again in Nic Wise. The rest are freshman and will be very good players later on down the road, but right now they have very little experience and are thrown in a tough situation. I don't agree with crapping all over everybody because my team is struggling. I don't agree with you, you don't agree with me. Agree to disagree.

Our more experienced players need to be the one's elevating the young players games. Problem is...they are new to the system too and learning on the fly also. We knew this was gonna be frustrating at times. How about we wait a little while longer before we get our pitchforks and torches and run out our coaching staff.

Miller's not off limits coming from me, I just don't think you can blame it all on him and say ridiculous things like fire him already. That's just idiotic. Come on, think about what some of the guys are saying on that board.

[jco17]

Welcome CATfan and thanks for the perspective. To me you are right on with the "honest effort" statement. I have a problem with college kids being individually singled out for significant criticsm, after all, they are college kids, no matter high profile the program, but if a team collectively is lackadaisical, the kids as a whole deserve some calling out. On the other hand, coaches are being paid the bucks to produce and your present coach left Xavier, in most part, for the money. If you go for the higher payday, there will be high expectations and you shouldn't be surprised when you are the object of doubt.

Understood MOR, but we all knew he had an uphill battle. Miller was so lucky to be able to reel in the 5 freshman he did that late in the process. However, they are still only freshman and one of them hasn't even played in a real game yet do to injury. It's unrealistic to think our team should be setting the world on fire right now. The season just started and there are people that want Miller's head cut off. Does that sound right to you? What if we play our best ball at the end of the year, win the Pac 10 tournament, and get the automatic bid? So much can happen during the course of a season.

[bobbiemcgee]

Understood MOR, but we all knew he had an uphill battle. Miller was so lucky to be able to reel in the 5 freshman he did that late in the process. However, they are still only freshman and one of them hasn't even played in a real game yet do to injury. It's unrealistic to think our team should be setting the world on fire right now. The season just started and there are people that want Miller's head cut off. Does that sound right to you? What if we play our best ball at the end of the year, win the Pac 10 tournament, and get the automatic bid? So much can happen during the course of a season.

Pac10 pretty weak this year. I think Az has a shot and, yeah, Miller will get them going. Parrom won't catch up this yr.

[XUfaninJAX]

It's bad enough when X fans bicker amongst themselves here, but for Arizona fans to come over here and bicker amongst themselves....

Nowhere is safe...

[GoMuskies]

for Arizona fans to come over here and bicker amongst themselves....


This I actually do not mind.

[QueensbridgeMF]

I'd shake his hand after wiping my ass with it.

stink palm!

[CATfan]

Sorry guys didn't mean to bicker. I just get irritated when I see everyone making us look like fools. Some of us DO have expectations of Sean. Don't really believe that being a Freshman excuses guys from diving for the ball, scrapping and playing hard.

Not throwing anyone under the bus but I watch enough college ball (by the way congrats on the cross town win X fans) to knnow what is effort and what isn't.

To me they don't seem to be pushed to play harder, he says they need to but he has no responsibility in the matter??? Never heard him say, need to reach the players, get their attention, figure out what WE as coaches need to do to improve.

We have 3 4 stars and 1 3 star freshman. Jamelle was a 5 star and everyone else is a 3 star. Like I said, if I read once I read a hundred times what a sensational job of recruiting he did, getting guys we had, lost and got again.

Just want you guys to know not all of us are giving Sean a free pass. He's making a ton of money and absolutely he needs to show us something, that he's motivating these kids.

By the way think Chris might come on over? I think he may be the real cog in the wheel...

[AviatorX]

Sorry guys didn't mean to bicker. I just get irritated when I see everyone making us look like fools. Some of us DO have expectations of Sean. Don't really believe that being a Freshman excuses guys from diving for the ball, scrapping and playing hard.

Not throwing anyone under the bus but I watch enough college ball (by the way congrats on the cross town win X fans) to knnow what is effort and what isn't.

To me they don't seem to be pushed to play harder, he says they need to but he has no responsibility in the matter??? Never heard him say, need to reach the players, get their attention, figure out what WE as coaches need to do to improve.

We have 3 4 stars and 1 3 star freshman. Jamelle was a 5 star and everyone else is a 3 star. Like I said, if I read once I read a hundred times what a sensational job of recruiting he did, getting guys we had, lost and got again.

Just want you guys to know not all of us are giving Sean a free pass. He's making a ton of money and absolutely he needs to show us something, that he's motivating these kids.

By the way think Chris might come on over? I think he may be the real cog in the wheel...


Wow, I really hope so.

[bobbiemcgee]

Good luck with a tough Lipscomb squad.

[X-band '01]

Reps to STL for the Mallrats pic.

[jco17]

Sorry guys didn't mean to bicker. I just get irritated when I see everyone making us look like fools. Some of us DO have expectations of Sean. Don't really believe that being a Freshman excuses guys from diving for the ball, scrapping and playing hard.

Not throwing anyone under the bus but I watch enough college ball (by the way congrats on the cross town win X fans) to knnow what is effort and what isn't.

To me they don't seem to be pushed to play harder, he says they need to but he has no responsibility in the matter??? Never heard him say, need to reach the players, get their attention, figure out what WE as coaches need to do to improve.

We have 3 4 stars and 1 3 star freshman. Jamelle was a 5 star and everyone else is a 3 star. Like I said, if I read once I read a hundred times what a sensational job of recruiting he did, getting guys we had, lost and got again.

Just want you guys to know not all of us are giving Sean a free pass. He's making a ton of money and absolutely he needs to show us something, that he's motivating these kids.

By the way think Chris might come on over? I think he may be the real cog in the wheel...

Look like fools? How so? He doesn't get a free pass, but he needs a little rope. This isn't as easy of a situation as you make it out to be. They played a couple bad games on the road. The season isn't over. I'm frustrated with this team during games, but after the games, when you calm down, it's time to be level headed again. We knew it was gonna be an uphill battle, if you didn't, you're just unreal in your expectations. Struggles will come early with young teams, that's just how it goes. I like to wait a while and see how things pan out over a longer period of time before I consider firing a coach.

Were there times when Lute's teams played uninspired? Absolutely. How about John Calipari's teams? Yep. Roy Williams? Ummm Yep. Tom Izzo? Check. Would you fire those coaches after a few games? No and those guys usually have twice the talent our team has this year. The reason everybody hated KO was because he was a complete and utter a-hole to our players and he ran 1 play on offense. He never changed anything up and it caused a couple players to transfer. Jerryd Bayless said that he would pull himself out of the draft if Memphis would draft him and wait another year because KO got hired as an Assistant there. Not to mention he promised a player they would get ample minutes after taking him out of his redshirt and he played like 4 minutes a game. So basically he lied to the player and his parents.

Then he tried to go behind Lute's back and have him ran out of town badmouthing him every single chance he got to those inside the program. That's why people let KO have it. He also had two lottery picks in Jerry Bayless and Jordan Hill, to go with Chase Budinger, Jawaan McClellan, Jamelle Horne, and Nic Wise. That's 3 McDonald's All Americans. Do you know how many we have on our team this year? ZERO. Not a similar situation. When changing coaches there needs to be an adjustment period and some patience. I'm not slamming you for holding Miller accountable for finding a way to motivate the players, I'm slamming those who are calling for his head already, which is ridiculous. That's foolish, those people make us look foolish. There always need to be expectations, but they need to match the means. The Pac 10 has been dreadful and there is plenty of time to improve. I believe they will be playing their best ball at the end of the season.

[XUfaninJAX]

This I actually do not mind.

I wasn't serious... it's not bad at all.

[XUglow]

I have the UA Lipscomb game on here. Lip 24 UA 21. Miller is making Adnan Hodzic an All American.

[XUglow]

The 34-29 Bison lead with 1:06 to go in the 1st half is understandable. They are 4-6 with wins over SIU-Edwardsville twice, Oakland City, and Mercer, so it isn't like they haven't been beating a few teams that no one has ever heard of. Also, playing in the Atlantic Sun, they probably aren't aware that Arizona is a Lexus.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Man for Miller's sake they better not lose. Those fans are brutal considering there have already been grumblings about him. The Lexus is in need of some major repairs.

[XUglow]

UA tied at 57-57 with 5:08.

[XUglow]

Overtime! 69-69

[AviatorX]

Miller is apparently half way there as far as learning to foul up 3 with under 10 seconds left, he started to there, but the team just didn't execute on that last possession.

[waggy]

Love seeing the Stop Subbing! and I Can't Figure Out our Sub Pattern posts on the Zona board.

:D

[D-West & PO-Z]

Arizona escapes with a 1 point win in OT.

[AviatorX]

Looked late to me, at least from the hind angle....

[D-West & PO-Z]

Looked late to me, at least from the hind angle....

Was it on TV?

[AviatorX]

Was it on TV?

I had it on one of the extra FSN channels that comes with the games and sports tier.

I was rooting for the "upset" so maybe I wasn't as objective as possible, but it could've gone either way it looked to me.

Hell of a shot by Wise, I must say.

[GoMuskies]

Sean would make a nice assistant to Chris Mack someday (maybe soon).

[coasterville95]

Looks like Arizona wins it by 1. Isn't this the same team that sUCks destroyed just two days ago in Cincinnati, then they had to fly long haul on Sunday to play again tonight?

Yikes, the Lexus pulled it out, but it was running on 4 doughnut tires, fumes in the gas tank, and a radiator that was about to overheat. Sean being the radiator.

I am remembering the infamous St. Bonaventure post game show when we beat Olean Welding handily, and Miller went on the radio and ripped the team a new one about not earning their schollies.

[AviatorX]

I feel the need to reiterate this, that shot did not look good to me. Really don't think it should have counted the more I think about it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I feel the need to reiterate this, that shot did not look good to me. Really don't think it should have counted the more I think about it.

I hope they show it on Sportscenter but I dont think they will.

[JC04]

I feel the need to reiterate this, that shot did not look good to me. Really don't think it should have counted the more I think about it.

http://forum.goazcats.com/showthread.php?p=1345731&posted=1#post1345731

Scroll to the picture.

Unless Wise's arm is 6 feet long, the shot is good.

[D-West & PO-Z]

http://forum.goazcats.com/showthread.php?p=1345731&posted=1#post1345731

Scroll to the picture.

Unless Wise's arm is 6 feet long, the shot is good.

What is the argument on the board about the TV clock saying .1 and the game saying .00?

Were they not synched?

[JC04]

What is the argument on the board about the TV clock saying .1 and the game saying .00?

Were they not synched?

Some seem to think it wasn't synched because of the feed. I'm still trying to figure out how that would work, though. Tired. :)

[AviatorX]

http://forum.goazcats.com/showthread.php?p=1345731&posted=1#post1345731

Scroll to the picture.

Unless Wise's arm is 6 feet long, the shot is good.

Do you have a picture of the view from behind? I said I was obviously biased....

[JC04]

Do you have a picture of the view from behind? I said I was obviously biased....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSPKTu21jQY&feature=player_embedded

Clocks are not in synch (can see in second part of video), so apparently the scoreboard clock in the official one...?

[AviatorX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSPKTu21jQY&feature=player_embedded

Clocks are not in synch (can see in second part of video), so apparently the scoreboard clock in the official one...?

Well, as we've found out the hard way the last few days in Xavier-land, all that matters is what the refs say.

Big time play by Wise for sure, I didn't think they were going to get a shot off after that tip pass or whatever that was.

Really impressed with MoMo Jones.

[JC04]

Well, as we've found out the hard way the last few days in Xavier-land, all that matters is what the refs say.

Big time play by Wise for sure, I didn't think they were going to get a shot off after that tip pass or whatever that was.

Really impressed with MoMo Jones.

I still think Momo is going to be a poor man's Wink Adams, but I hope he proves me wrong. He does play really hard, which is always a good thing.

[bobbiemcgee]

Impressed ? Didn't UC beat them by 30?

[AviatorX]

Impressed ? Didn't UC beat them by 30?

Jones took a key late charge and stroked 3 triples in OT...looked pretty good to me.

[JC04]

After thinking about it for a few...

The determination in order is clock, light, then horn.

- There were 2 different times on the clocks. The 0.1 may or may not have been a short delay with the signal from the camera focused on the scoreboard clock (?). That means you check the light:

- The rear view looks like the ball is in his hands when the light goes off, but he did quick-push it. That has the possibility of giving the illusion that the ball is still in his hand, since it's in direct line with the ball from a rear view. The side view looks like he releases it before the red light goes off. Two conflicting views... That means you go to the horn:

- If I remember correctly, he clearly released it before the horn sounded.


I have no idea what process they were going through. Maybe we'll hear a statement soon.

The only thing I know for sure is that I would not want to be a basketball official.

[BlueX]

Watching that slo mo clip, Lipscomb was flat out robbed. The scoreboard is at 0 and the red light is on before the shot is released.

[bobbiemcgee]

Jones took a key late charge and stroked 3 triples in OT...looked pretty good to me.

Jones had 12 pts in 27 mins....Hodzic 34 in 41 ....guess I was watching a different game. Lipscomb? They must have beat the spread by 25.

[JC04]

Watching that slo mo clip, Lipscomb was flat out robbed. The scoreboard is at 0 and the red light is on before the shot is released.

The scoreboard clock was not at zero, which may be the issue. It might take precedence over the backboard clock. I don't know. Also...

"Such rules have also required the NCAA to write new rules stating that, when looking at instant replay video, the zeros on the clock, not the horn or red light, now determine the end of the game."

[coasterville95]

Not more clock conterversy, I thought we were just trying to heal our wounds from clock problems.

As I understand it the backboard lights and horn are there for the benefit of the fans and perhaps the players. The official game clock, is just that, the official game clock. Well, that is unless some ref decides it isn't. That's the whole origin of "You play to the whistle, NOT the horn, not the lights" I'd say that also means the time readout on any and all scoreboards is also for fan/team convenience and the official game clock shall rule in case of discrepency.

[AviatorX]

Jones had 12 pts in 27 mins....Hodzic 34 in 41 ....guess I was watching a different game. Lipscomb? They must have beat the spread by 25.

Timing of the points is what's key here. Are you saying those weren't big shots he made in OT? Aside from the fact it was against Lipscomb. Jeeze, I wasn't saying he should be first team AA or anything.

And obviously Hodzic was the most impressive guy on the court tonight.

[bobbiemcgee]

I thought it was good.....really tired of this clock shit.

[bobbiemcgee]

Timing of the points is what's key here. Are you saying those weren't big shots he made in OT? Aside from the fact it was against Lipscomb. Jeeze, I wasn't saying he should be first team AA or anything.

And obviously Hodzic was the most impressive guy on the court tonight.

Lipscomb's SOS is 321. After the SDSU loss, a loss to Lipscomb would have been devastating, so yeah he was 3-5 ... good for 6th in scoring.

btw, the final pass to Nic was with 1.1 secs., so much for the Butler claim we couldn't have won anyway.

[XUglow]

Some seem to think it wasn't synched because of the feed. I'm still trying to figure out how that would work, though. Tired. :)

Well, there has to be a delay. You cannot shoot 2 live scenes and feed one into the other and have them both live. It is apparent by looking at the clock on the basket and the clock on the screen that the clock on the screen is running late and should not be used for any determination of release or not. Apparently though, the refs did use that clock to determine that he had released the shot.

For UA, the bottom line is that you guys got pushed around on your home court by a lower tier Atlantic Sun team that had been beaten by powerhouses like Kennesaw State. Your highlight reel for the year is going to include a buzzer beater to knock off Lipscomb in OT on your home court. Yikes!

[coasterville95]

What a difference a point makes. I must say from what I have seen the Arizona message board has maintained their composure pretty well through last nights game. I don't know if the moderation is to thank for that, since I didn't notice a game thread when I looked over it. Sure, there are a couple threads out there about it, including the "Lispcomb got homered" thread, and the threads that have already been mentioned. I do have to agree that had that final bucket been waved off, their boards just might have been going through a "Fire Miller" tirade reminicent of the ones seen here in Miller's first couple years.

I mean let's reiterate the face they almost lost to a "Guarantee School". you know the kind that play the role of Washington Generals to other basketball programs in exchange for receving large checks. Said checks are often the primary source of revenue for their athletic departments, allowing them to even offer Div I athletics. Games that everybody looks at a schedule and recogizes they are a "cupcake game". Problem is, every so often when you least expect it, the cupcakes do bite back. I'd imagine the Lispcomb fanbase is pretty estatic right now about only losing to a high profile BCS program by one point. Then again they may be fuming over the apparent clock issue they had the same way we did over the weekend.

Possibly more concerning are the threads stating that the Arizona team isn't yet buying into Miller's system. Understandable, new coach, new players, new system, and some early losses. Just remember, Sean's first year here won't exactly be at the the forefront when he writes his memoirs.

All that said, in a fit of sheer spite and meaness, I was hoping the cupcake would have bitten back this time.

[XUglow]

Unless Wise pushes the ball away from his hand and then flips his wrist in the air for no reason when he shoots, the shot was no good.

[SixFig]

Just remember, Sean's first year here won't exactly be at the the forefront when he writes his memoirs.

His memoir:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JNV2QBPAL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

[XUglow]

http://www.extremeglow.com/ua_lip01.jpg

Here is a composite from a screen shot showing the ball still in the hands, the lights around the basket on, the goal clock at 00.0, and the culprit of the inserted clock still showing time left in the game. Plain and simple, Lipscomb lost because of something the production company did. I am sure the refs thought they were doing the right thing.

[BlueX]

It's amazing the refs would take the FSN Arizona clock over the scoreboard one. Hopefully the refs will give an explanation on this call.

[coasterville95]

Are we trying to stay even with the Arizona program????

Arizona - We'll go 1 for 3 in our exempted toruney
Xavier - We'll match your 1 for 3 in our exempted tourney

Arizona - We'll take a game into double overtime
Xavier - We'll call your taking a game into double overtime, and raise you by actually winning it.

Xavier - We'll have a game end with a clock controversy.
Arizona - Hey, we can do that to!

Are we building up bad Karma Points by wishing ill-will on Arizona?

[bobbiemcgee]

With Parrom and Horne out, AZ will have tough road ahead.

[jco17]

It's amazing the refs would take the FSN Arizona clock over the scoreboard one. Hopefully the refs will give an explanation on this call.

They got it right. The clock that was on the FSN Arizona network is only a picture of the official scoreboard clock. It's not completely synced with the behind the basket/shot clock for some reason. The official scoreboard, which is what they went by, showed .1 when it was out of his hands, and he clearly got it off. I didn't think is should have counted at first either, but it definately should have.

The Butler game really sucked. X played so hard and battled back in that game. I think X really deserved to win that game.

[jco17]

With Parrom and Horne out, AZ will have tough road ahead.

Parrom is projected back for the NC State game, but there is no definitive answer on Horne's return. Not having both of them really hurts us considering Horne is our second best player this year on a team with very, very little experience. We have a tough road ahead with both of them in the line up. We've gotten by on mediocrity without Parrom in our line up this season yet. I think he will be a good lift for us when he finally gets to play.

[Masterofreality]

Difference?

Arizona was at home. Xavier was on the road.

Period.

[XUglow]

They got it right. The clock that was on the FSN Arizona network is only a picture of the official scoreboard clock. It's not completely synced with the behind the basket/shot clock for some reason. The official scoreboard, which is what they went by, showed .1 when it was out of his hands, and he clearly got it off. I didn't think is should have counted at first either, but it definately should have.


Do you have any verification other than the TV feed that the shot was released before the clock went off? I know the answer. You don't.

The bottom line is that you got owned at your own court by a really crappy team, and you were bailed out by the AZ TV production. Only some AZ people really think that they won the game. No one outside of the AZ family is going to agree with you.

The game is over. AZ won. Just don't waste your time trying to justify the result. (The clock went off, but it wasn't the real clock. Please. That's just stupid.)

[Masterofreality]

That YouTube video is amazing. If I was an Arizona fan, no way would I post that. Arizona lost and Lipscomb got jobbed. Wise's hand was still cocked at .1. The ball was still on his fingers when the backboard light came on. No way the ball is released that quick.

With that kind of officiating and TV coverage, Dante Jackson's shot at the end of regulation against UC would have counted.

Again. Home cookin'. Yummy, yummy.

[bobbiemcgee]

"Tonight was a reflection of just trying to hang in there under some very difficult circumstances," UA coach Sean Miller said. "We're not a very good team

Az Star

[CinciX12]

"Tonight was a reflection of just trying to hang in there under some very difficult circumstances," UA coach Sean Miller said. "We're not a very good team

Az Star

That kind of honesty make me almost miss Sean more than wish him ill will.

Still funny that it was that close though. I'm pretty confident we could have won by 15+.

[coasterville95]

"Tonight was a reflection of just trying to hang in there under some very difficult circumstances," UA coach Sean Miller said. "We're not a very good team

Az Star

Seams I remember Sean using very similar phrasing after he would lose a game here, or win a game by less of a margin than he wanted. Recall right before Puerto Rico the "We're not a very good team right now, and if we don't improve we won't win a single game in Puerto Rico." Mind you I realize a couple of those wins relied on the presence of the invisible 6th man on the court: Mr. Lucky.

One thing - when Sean talks about basketball, and specifically his team's performance he always was, and apparently still is, brutally honest. You have to respect that in a coach. A certain other coach would have tried to paint Lipscomb as being a powerhouse team this year.

[XUglow]

You can't tell me that Arizona wouldn't win the Atlantic Sun.

[AviatorX]

Arizona taking on NC St. on Fox Sports Pacific (Ch. 321 TWC), for those with that channel that are interested in watching.

Kevin Parrom literally just checked in for the first time in his career.

[jco17]

Arizona taking on NC St. on Fox Sports Pacific (Ch. 321 TWC), for those with that channel that are interested in watching.

Kevin Parrom literally just checked in for the first time in his career.

It's great to have him back. He is out of game shape obviously and unfortunately didn't get the experience the other players have, so he has some catching up to do. Arizona is actually playing pretty damn well in this game and lead 31-23. Nic Wise played less minutes than usual due to foul trouble. I'm very proud of them right now, they are playing their butts off tonight.

[jco17]

Do you have any verification other than the TV feed that the shot was released before the clock went off? I know the answer. You don't.

The bottom line is that you got owned at your own court by a really crappy team, and you were bailed out by the AZ TV production. Only some AZ people really think that they won the game. No one outside of the AZ family is going to agree with you.

The game is over. AZ won. Just don't waste your time trying to justify the result. (The clock went off, but it wasn't the real clock. Please. That's just stupid.)

Ok, here is a better explaination than I was able to give you. They got the call right according to the rules. Or maybe you don't go by those.

If you type "ncaa game rules basketball" into google, the first link is to a pdf of the rules.

Nowhere in the rules does it state which clock is the official game clock between the scoreboard and the shot clock. It only states that the game clock must be clearly visible to the clock operator.

In my opinion, the scoreboard is much more visible to the clock operator than the shot clock but that really doesn't matter because they are both visible and as I stated, it does not define in the 180+ pages of rules which clock is official.

It does recommend that school's synchronize their clocks regularly with red LED lights as well.

In our game, there is a clear .1 second discrepancy between the clock behind the basket and the clock on the scoreboard.

There is no question that nic wise gets the ball off in time based on the scoreboard clock.

There is no question that nic wise does not get the ball in time based on the clock behind the basket.

On page 53 Article 4 of the rules it states

"When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands"

It's my belief that in the 5 minutes of the refs deliberation, they knew that one clock showed the clock expiring and one clock showing nic wise getting the shot off on time. Since nowhere does it state that one game clock is more official than the other, both clocks were official game clocks.

Definitive information was not attainable using the monitor so the original call stands.

The refs made the correct decision based on the rules.


I will also say I don't appreciate seeing our fans accused of being homers on this issue because overall, I felt that our fan base handled this occurrence in a very fair and honest way.

Information on rules for the game clock is located on pages 52-54 of the rules.

We won the game, they got the call right.

[xavierj]

Arizona also lucky NC St best player and leading scorer at 17ppg and 10 brds, Tracy Smith is suspended tonight.

[jco17]

Arizona also lucky NC St best player and leading scorer at 17ppg and 10 brds, Tracy Smith is suspended tonight.

No doubt about that, but Mays is stepping up for them hitting some big 3's. I agree with you, we are catching a huge break with Smith out of the line up for sure.

[gladdenguy]

NC St takes the lead.....hell yeah

[jco17]

65-61 Wildcats with 1:47 to go in the ball game.

[991 Dana]

You guys are better than travelling the Wildcats. I was really hoping this was a joke.... OMG, ROTFL!!

[AviatorX]

You guys are better than travelling the Wildcats. I was really hoping this was a joke.... OMG, ROTFL!!

This would probably be more insulting/funny if it made any remote sort of sense.

[jco17]

Nic Wise says "Good Night NC State!"

[991 Dana]

Not trying to be insulting... guess that's your thing.... not mine... go to sleep avatar

[AviatorX]

Not trying to be insulting... guess that's your thing.... not mine... go to sleep avatar

Well, at least I know that I'm better than "traveling the wildcats."

[boozehound]

You guys are better than travelling the Wildcats. I was really hoping this was a joke.... OMG, ROTFL!!


Not trying to be insulting... guess that's your thing.... not mine... go to sleep avatar

Is this English?

[XUglow]

Ok, here is a better explaination than I was able to give you. They got the call right according to the rules. Or maybe you don't go by those.

If you type "ncaa game rules basketball" into google, the first link is to a pdf of the rules.

Nowhere in the rules does it state which clock is the official game clock between the scoreboard and the shot clock. It only states that the game clock must be clearly visible to the clock operator.

In my opinion, the scoreboard is much more visible to the clock operator than the shot clock but that really doesn't matter because they are both visible and as I stated, it does not define in the 180+ pages of rules which clock is official.

It does recommend that school's synchronize their clocks regularly with red LED lights as well.

In our game, there is a clear .1 second discrepancy between the clock behind the basket and the clock on the scoreboard.

There is no question that nic wise gets the ball off in time based on the scoreboard clock.

There is no question that nic wise does not get the ball in time based on the clock behind the basket.

On page 53 Article 4 of the rules it states

"When definitive information is unattainable with the use of the monitor, the original call stands"

It's my belief that in the 5 minutes of the refs deliberation, they knew that one clock showed the clock expiring and one clock showing nic wise getting the shot off on time. Since nowhere does it state that one game clock is more official than the other, both clocks were official game clocks.

Definitive information was not attainable using the monitor so the original call stands.

The refs made the correct decision based on the rules.


I will also say I don't appreciate seeing our fans accused of being homers on this issue because overall, I felt that our fan base handled this occurrence in a very fair and honest way.

Information on rules for the game clock is located on pages 52-54 of the rules.

We won the game, they got the call right.

Well, that was a long post to tell me something that I already know.

My point is simply that the clock on the TV screen was delayed. How hard is that to understand? Your AD people in charge of the clocks stated that the scoreboard clock and goal clocks are 100% in sync. Anyone with the IQ of a potato could tell that the two clocks on the screen were not in sync. Do you know what that means? That means that the delay was NOT something happening in the arena. It happened in the TV production. The refs were using flawed input to make their determination.

Everyone at UA and from the Pac-10 are saying that the refs did the right thing. Can you tell me what the refs would have done if someone had said, "The clock imposed on the screen is wrong. Don't use it."?

You won the game. Why is it so hard for UofA fans to just say, "We caught a break there."?

[gladdenguy]

Nic Wise says "Good Night NC State!"

Arizona sucks

[xsteve1]

Arizona sucks

I tend to agree. They are really bad defensively. Miller better be thanking his lucky stars that Wise came back or this team might have lost 20 games.

[bobbiemcgee]

I tend to agree. They are really bad defensively. Miller better be thanking his lucky stars that Wise came back or this team might have lost 20 games.

Saw the last 10 minutes. If you are a college BB fan, you would have loved the finish. Nic was the man again in a very entertaining game. The final heave by NCS with .9 damn near went in, a la Dante. Maybe off an inch.

Without Nic, they could have been 0 fer this yr.

[jco17]

Well, that was a long post to tell me something that I already know.

My point is simply that the clock on the TV screen was delayed. How hard is that to understand? Your AD people in charge of the clocks stated that the scoreboard clock and goal clocks are 100% in sync. Anyone with the IQ of a potato could tell that the two clocks on the screen were not in sync. Do you know what that means? That means that the delay was NOT something happening in the arena. It happened in the TV production. The refs were using flawed input to make their determination.

Everyone at UA and from the Pac-10 are saying that the refs did the right thing. Can you tell me what the refs would have done if someone had said, "The clock imposed on the screen is wrong. Don't use it."?

You won the game. Why is it so hard for UofA fans to just say, "We caught a break there."?

Brian Snow was the one saying that they got the call 100% correct and the officiating crew did the right thing. I'm pretty sure he would have told us that we were full of crap and deserved to lose. He's never been one to sugar coat things whenever I've spoken to him. I also think the call was correct and concer with what he was saying. Why would I say we caught a break when I agreed with the original call? We caught a break that Nic hit a huge shot at the end of the game, but the call was correct. You have a different opinion and that is also fine.

[jco17]

Saw the last 10 minutes. If you are a college BB fan, you would have loved the finish. Nic was the man again in a very entertaining game. The final heave by NCS with .9 damn near went in, a la Dante. Maybe off an inch.

Without Nic, they could have been 0 fer this yr.

We would have beaten NAU, Rice, and La Tech. :D That's probably it though.

[bobbiemcgee]

Williams is a certified stud, however, I would foul him a lot.

Think that was an AZ fan who knocked down the Pope.

[GoMuskies]

Brian Snow was the one saying that they got the call 100% correct and the officiating crew did the right thing. I'm pretty sure he would have told us that we were full of crap and deserved to lose.

Brian Snow also hangs from Sean Miller's nutsack.

[xsteve1]

BYU all over AZ early 22-5.

[X Factor]

Arizona down 26 at home to BYU with 5 minutes left in 2nd half.

[GoMuskies]

BYU nipped the Cats by 30.

[coasterville95]

Yup, Coach Yugo got it up the rear tonight. I realize this is simply "The game where everything goes wrong" but if you are in the "Watching Miller fail brings me great joy" camp, you ought to be having a fiesta tonight.

Gee, BYU - isn't that yet another school he was able to defeat using the trusty blue Buick that he can't seem to get around in his shiny new Lexus?

[jcubspoe]

Good grief. What a butt kicking.

[AviatorX]

Yup, Coach Yugo got it up the rear tonight. I realize this is simply "The game where everything goes wrong" but if you are in the "Watching Miller fail brings me great joy" camp, you ought to be having a fiesta tonight.

Gee, BYU - isn't that yet another school he was able to defeat using the trusty blue Buick that he can't seem to get around in his shiny new Lexus?

It's more than that, it's "the game where everything goes wrong" combined with "the game where everything goes right for the other team."

Circa first half of the Snuggie game last season.

[GoMuskies]

How many times did the Buick lose by 30? At home?

[gladdenguy]

Ok,
Lose by 30 at home to BYU, not even a BCS school. Gosh, Arizona is a powerhouse.
HA. They suck. We know fat raccoon won't be going to the Big Dance this year.
I love it.

[AviatorX]

Sounds like Jimmer Fredette had a slightly above average game.

[SixFig]

Ok,
Lose by 30 at home to BYU, not even a BCS school. Gosh, Arizona is a powerhouse.
HA. They suck. We know fat raccoon won't be going to the Big Dance this year.
I love it.

C'mon...they're CBI material at least!

[GoMuskies]

Arizona/Cincinnati in the CBI would be fabulous.

[Masterofreality]

Yup, Coach Yugo got it up the rear tonight. I realize this is simply "The game where everything goes wrong" but if you are in the "Watching Miller fail brings me great joy" camp, you ought to be having a fiesta tonight.

Gee, BYU - isn't that yet another school he was able to defeat using the trusty blue Buick that he can't seem to get around in his shiny new Lexus?


It's more than that, it's "the game where everything goes wrong" combined with "the game where everything goes right for the other team."


Nope, I respectfully disagree. The game where "everything went wrong" for Raccoon Face was the San Diego State game where his team only scored 46 points. I can't speak to whether this was BYU's "everything went right" game, but I doubt it. As for the "everything went right game" for Arizona, me thinks that a game against Lipscomb where your guy's shot is after the clock expires but is called good might be that game.

Hey, the raccoon left for the money. He's getting it and he'll be catching some heat too. Pretty funny how Arizona fans who thought that the NCAA Tournament was their birthright, and who said what a great situation that "black eyes" was coming too are now changing their tune. The revisionist take now is that "Oh, we knew that this was a rebuilding year." I seem to remember that last spring when Wise said that he was coming back all I heard from the desert was that now that they had "the coach" in place with Wise that Dancing was a surety. Well, welcome to Raccoon reality. By the way, that high-brow foreign recruit who you were able to direct from the IMG Academy is really getting it done. Tonight, 7 minutes, 2 turnovers, zero points and zero rebounds.

Wonder if Parrom is regretting his decision now? He'll not be seeing any post season this year and we could use him.

Spend the caish wisely raccoon. It'll be the only pleasure you'll be having for a while in that broken down Lexus of yours.

[coasterville95]

Arizona/Cincinnati in the CBI would be fabulous.

Who would you want to be the home team? And if played at Fifth Third, would you go?

That game could be a real moral conflict between hating everything sUCks and wishing Miller all the worst.

[coasterville95]

It's more than that, it's "the game where everything goes wrong" combined with "the game where everything goes right for the other team."

Circa first half of the Snuggie game last season.

Yes, but as bad as the first half of Snuggie Night was, I recall we at least put all the effort we could into getting out of that hole. Got the margin down to like 3 by the end of the game. That's the difference, at least when we got ourselves buried early on, we didn't roll over and play dead. Duke last year was maybe our worst start ever, but we managed to come back any play with passion the second half. The game where the wheels fell off the cart against UCLA, we at least followed their run up by a run of our own, it wasn't enough but it at least showed the team hadn't checked out. Not to say we haven't had games like that (Temple 2 years ago comes to mind).

SO, I supose I have to gree with MOR, it wasn't "The game where everything goes wrong", it was "the game where the team decides to take the night off" .

That said, when you have one player drop 49 on you, setting all kinds of records for their own school, as well as the records for most damage done to you by an opposing player, it's going to be a challenge either way.

Don't know if you caught the game on TV last night, but it looked to me like Sean got past the stage of looking like a man posessed and actually reached the point of game athropy. I'd say for the final 5 minutes of the game, he just sat on his bench fuming. I can imagine his last words to his players before that. "Since you guys don't want to play tonight, I'm not going to coach either" or "Since you guys obviously aren't listening to me tonight, I'm going to shut up now, figure it out for yourselves" or "Guys, I'm the coach for the Arizona Wildcats, when they decide they want to play, let me know" Pretty bad, when your own TV crew is ragging you. "Thanks for watching the Arizona Mildcats!" Parting shot of the Wildcats walking off the floor with looks of "Please don't make me go into that locker room" on their faces was priceless.

Did I just hear a shiney new red and blue Lexus being taken to the body shop? Or is Lexus actually a brand of stagecoach? And again, their fans are saying some of the same stuff we were saying a week ago. Stuff like "Well, its the conference tourney or bust for us"

[Masterofreality]

An example post off of the AZ Board today:

Originally Posted by Winger
"...Miller didn't forget how to coach and develop players over the summer...Miller will get it done... "

Originally Posted by PieceOfMeat
"That's what the entire Wildcat fanbase is hoping/thinking.

I think one of the problems for Miller, perception wise, is that we looked stronger/better in our first few games in Maui than we do at home the last 3. Fans don't like to see a team get worse as the team goes farther into the season, nor even stay the same, they like to see some, any improvement. When you get throttled at home by 30 after barely eeking out a win against lipscomb the previous week....it's hard for some fans to not think the team has gotten worse since the season started. Similarly, the perception that we had a team on the floor that cut the lead to 7 in a matter of minutes, only to have that team line changed to some subs who didn't have it going, doesn't help when it comes to criticizing Miller. Would the other players have kept chipping into the lead or would byu have just extended it regardless? Who knows, but I don't think it's out of bounds for some fans to comment on it.

*shrug*

It's a long season, and personally I'm just hoping to see a lot of improvement as we get near the end of it. If we're still THIS bad by the end of the season, I"ll be worried, very worried."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[XUglow]

I love it that they think BYU was running up the score on them. They are saying that payback is going to be a bitch.

I know a bit about UA basketball. I think that WAS payback, and they don't like it.

[bobbiemcgee]

"Cameron Miller, Sean's son, swished a couple of long bombs to beat a handful of adults in an "Are you better than a fifth-grader" competition.
Cameron Miller is 10. Long before he is eligible to suit up for his dad, the Wildcats should have the power restored at McKale and be able to forget Jimmer Fredette." - Az Star

At one point in the game, Sean asked Fredette to stop shooting the ball....guess "boing boing brick" wasn't working.

[coasterville95]

From the last couple games - it doesn't sound like they are doing Pass, Boing, Brick anymore. Then again, maybe their students are also out for break.

I didn't see the full article, but are you telling me Sean brought his SON to the arena today to school/embarass/humiliate his players for last nights terrible show of roundball skills?

[bobbiemcgee]

He was the half time show:
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/wildcats/323089

[coasterville95]

Same purpose served, me thinks. After getting disgusted by the show of their own team for 20 minutes, they got to see some shooting skills for 5 minutes or so.

[Masterofreality]

"Cameron Miller, Sean's son, swished a couple of long bombs to beat a handful of adults in an "Are you better than a fifth-grader" competition.
Cameron Miller is 10. Long before he is eligible to suit up for his dad, the Wildcats should have the power restored at McKale and be able to forget Jimmer Fredette." - Az Star


Great. Now in 2035, when Cameron Miller is appointed Head Coach at Wassamatta U. we'll all be seeing that video played incessantly on B-Espn talking about what he did way back when.

I'll be 85....and throwing my shoe against my 3D, 1,000 inch, interactive visual display unit.

[xsteve1]

AZ is going to get drilled by USC this weekend too. Kevin O'neil who I always thought was a crap coach has his team playing unbelievable. Gotta think they'll be out for blood since Sean took so many of their recruits.

[bobbiemcgee]

Great. Now in 2035, when Cameron Miller is appointed Head Coach at Wassamatta U. we'll all be seeing that video played incessantly on B-Espn talking about what he did way back when.

I'll be 85....and throwing my shoe against my 3D, 1,000 inch, interactive visual display unit.

TV will be a brain implant by then, you'll just have to close your eyes.

[CinciX12]

Wow, gave up 100 to the mormons..

[xavierj]

He was the half time show:
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/wildcats/323089

Wow talk about a fluff piece filled with excuses. Geez is that paper owned by the University of Arizona?

[coasterville95]

How many times did the Buick lose by 30? At home?

I got to thinking about this myself, so I proceeded with great respect to the Xavier Shrine, gently but reverantly lifted the 09-10 Media Guide (doesn't it look sharp) from its lofty perch and determined the following:

While driving the Buick - Sean's Blue and White Army NEVER lost by 30 points. Not No-Where, Not No-How! Congratulations, Sean, you just set a new record for yourself in the category of most humiliating loss ever. Maybe we can get Buskens to put that on a sugar cookie for you!

For those as curious as I was, while The Buick was being driven by Sean: Our worst loss ever came at the hands of the Temple Owls in 08 up at their place - the loss was 22. Our worst loss in the sacred halls of the Cintas Center was only 15 - again to Temple. I want to say that was in Sean's first season.

Worst damage everr inflcited on us by one opposing team player? Well I couldn't find an all time record - but the Building record for Cintas is 37. It should be noted that was last year's Toledo game. The Buick took all the little Toledo Pinto could inflict, but the Buick still came out victorous in that battle.

I'm afraid I forgot what our worst ever loss in the history of the program was...

I did note that so far this season the Lexus got ran off the road by two opposing vehicles that were surpassed while driving the Buick. (Wisconsin and BYU)

I looked up our all time record against the Arizona Wildcats - it looks like we have NEVER played Arizona in the history of the program.

"Buick: Something else for Lexus to relentlessly pursue"

Speaking of Coach Lexus and the Stormin Mormons:

While I was sitting down to a wonderful Fried Chicken feast in Club Blue before the LSU game, the topic of Arizona/BYU came up around me several times. The official university stance might be "It's over, let it go" but it sounded to me like multiple people took great delight in Sean's bloodbath.

"A little bit of chicken fried, cold beer on a Tuesday night, a pair that changed clothes all right, and the ballgame on" Sounds like a country song, don't it?

[jco17]

I'm so glad I didn't get to watch that game. I have dish and it didn't carry that channel for me. I can only imagine how terrible they played to get beat by that much. They cut it to 11 early in the second half I saw and then BYU beat the ever living crap out of us. I just thought I would come on here and read some of the comments and take my lumps. It will be interesting to see how/if they bounce back from this loss.

[bobbiemcgee]

I'm so glad I didn't get to watch that game. I have dish and it didn't carry that channel for me. I can only imagine how terrible they played to get beat by that much. They cut it to 11 early in the second half I saw and then BYU beat the ever living crap out of us. I just thought I would come on here and read some of the comments and take my lumps. It will be interesting to see how/if they bounce back from this loss.

Out here in the west, they rerun it what seems like every night until Az plays again.

[coasterville95]

USC up 7 at the half. 28-21.

At first it looked like USC was going to blow them out of the gym but thanks to a scoring drought they invited the cats back into the game.

[waggy]

It takes a very special circumstance for me to root for O'Neill led USC.

[coasterville95]

So USC wins it by six. They tried to give it away. Low scoring affair 56-50. UCLA up in two days.

[GoMuskies]

If they can't beat UCLA they might not win a conference game. The Pac 10 is awful, but UCLA is the worst team in it.

[Masterofreality]

Well, AZ. reduced the loss margin by 24 points. There's some improvement.

[BandAid]

My neighbor accross the street bought a new Lexus last week. What a dummy.

[GoMuskies]

Watching a bit of this Arizona/UCLA game. Man, these teams are painfully bad. Maybe the 10 am local start has something to do with it, but each team's prior results suggest that it's just two bad teams going at it. That big Euro Sean was recruiting to Xavier had an airball from one foot. No lie. He missed from half a foot on the next trip. I think we'll be okay without him.

[coasterville95]

Yeah, but last I looked at least they are winning this game. I can just hear it now, "Beating UCLA - something you can't do in a Buick"

Never mind the fact that the UCLA of 2010 is nowhere near the quality of the UCLA of 2008.

[BandAid]

That big Euro Sean was recruiting to Xavier had an airball from one foot. No lie. He missed from half a foot on the next trip. I think we'll be okay without him.

Milosh only wants to play for... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljKnzB-xexk)well, Arizona evidently.

[GoMuskies]

"Beating UCLA - something you can't do in a Buick"



Yeah, I guess CS Fullerton, Portland, Butler and Long Beach State don't even rise to Buick level.

[jco17]

Yeah, I guess CS Fullerton, Portland, Butler and Long Beach State don't even rise to Buick level.

UCLA is really struggling badly. Howland has done an extremely poor job of recruiting the right players to his system which is unbelievably important in Howlands system. UCLA will be a very good team next year when they add Josh Smith and a few others. It's kind of mind boggling that he can have so much success followed up by this year.

It just makes me have more appreciation for Lute Olson, Jimmy B, Bill Self, Roy Williams, and all of the other coaches that remain so consistent despite losing players to the NBA. If you can't recruit top notch players to UCLA every year, you need to move on and coach somewhere else or do a much better job evaluating talent. There are some really good coaches in the Pac 10 right now and he's gonna have to step up his game.

Nice to beat the crap out of the Bruins on their home floor though, I gotta say I really enjoyed that one. Hopefully we can get it going in the right direction now.

[waggy]

psst. UCLA sucks, and so does Arizona.

[DC Muskie]

It just makes me have more appreciation for Lute Olson, Jimmy B, Bill Self, Roy Williams, and all of the other coaches that remain so consistent despite losing players to the NBA. say I really enjoyed that one. Hopefully we can get it going in the right direction now.

He took UCLA to three straight Final Fours.

If that isn't consistent, I don't know what is.

[Masterofreality]

During last night's game there was an on air interview with Raccoon Face. I wasn't going to comment on it, but here's a bit of commentary by Stacy Decker, the Xavier side of the "Crosstown Shoutout" blog on the Enquirer website:

"One final note concerning last night’s telecast. I appreciated having former coach Sean Miller interviewed by phone but I did take umbrage with one thing he said. He went on to talk about how he could get better players at Arizona. Someone tell Miller to look at recruit rankings for 2010 and 2011 year to date for the Wildcats and Musketeers and tell me which players he would rather have going forward. Outside of that he said all the right things but if I don’t see Arizona play this year (like the rest of the people east of the Mississippi river) I’ll be happy."

Another Buick/Lexus comparison? Pretty funny how raccoon had to take his recruits from the Xavier list, including one who had already signed a LOI. Eaiser to get better players? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

[golfitup]

During last night's game there was an on air interview with Raccoon Face. I wasn't going to comment on it, but here's a bit of commentary by Stacy Decker, the Xavier side of the "Crosstown Shoutout" blog on the Enquirer website:

"One final note concerning last night’s telecast. I appreciated having former coach Sean Miller interviewed by phone but I did take umbrage with one thing he said. He went on to talk about how he could get better players at Arizona. Someone tell Miller to look at recruit rankings for 2010 and 2011 year to date for the Wildcats and Musketeers and tell me which players he would rather have going forward. Outside of that he said all the right things but if I don’t see Arizona play this year (like the rest of the people east of the Mississippi river) I’ll be happy."

Another Buick/Lexus comparison? Pretty funny how raccoon had to take his recruits from the Xavier list, including one who had already signed a LOI. Eaiser to get better players? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

Well it's a load of crap because the kid from Ukraine and Parrom were both gonnna come to X and the they followed him to Zona. He should have not accepted them in zona if he can get better players out there. I mean I'm just using his logic. And I am very aware I am not the first person to make this point since last summer. Listening to that was like opening up scarred wounds last night. Just sucked all the way around.

[stophorseabuse]

Realistically, I don't think it can be argued it is easier to recruit MC D's AA type talent at Arizona. Miller did a nice interview, only way I will ever hear him talk is if it is during a Xavier game. I just simply don't care about him. He decided he could do better than us. Best luck to him. I am curious why the hell he did an interview during a Xavier game. odd.

[xavierj]

Watching Arizona choking right now against Wash. St. down 5 with about 2:40 left. Sean looks like he ate a cactus.

[gladdenguy]

2 pt loss for fatty. Now Arizona is under .500.
I really hope he fails like Pete Gillen ended up failing. I would laugh all the way to the Cintas Center every night.

[Xman95]

2 pt loss for fatty. Now Arizona is under .500.
I really hope he fails like Pete Gillen ended up failing. I would laugh all the way to the Cintas Center every night.

I hope he struggles to get a job even in the MAC once he's gone from 'zona...which I hope is soon. Douchebag.

[SixFig]

Maybe Coach Mack will call into an Arizona game...

"Yeah I learned a lot under Miller, especially how much better it is to have a Buick than a Lexus and...*cough*...sorry I learned to cough from him too"

[Flexo]

WSU wins at the buzzer. The revenge of Ken Bone!

[golfitup]

WSU wins at the buzzer. The revenge of Ken Bone!

Best name in coaching. I'd play balls to the wall for Coach Bone.

[Masterofreality]

So, Racoon lost a home game to a team rated 80 in RPI, huh? Not so grand.

They play Washington next, Sunday. Washington will be pissed off after getting schooled at Arizona State.

[xavierj]

So, Racoon lost a home game to a team rated 80 in RPI, huh? Not so grand.

They play Washington next, Sunday. Washington will be pissed off after getting schooled at Arizona State.

Washington St. also needed OT to beat LSU at home. So by my math Xavier is about 30 points better than Lexus U. correct?

[XUglow]

Washington St. also needed OT to beat LSU at home. So by my math Xavier is about 30 points better than Lexus U. correct?

Fixed that for you.

[jco17]

is a pretty tough team right now. It was nice to destroy Washington tonight. Holy crap is the Pac 10 wide open.

[XUglow]

is a pretty tough team right now. It was nice to destroy Washington tonight. Holy crap is the Pac 10 bad.

Fixed that for you.

[BandAid]

Washington was a good win for Arizona. Although to be completely honest, I'm having a hard time taking the Pac-10 seriously this year. The A-10 should have just as many, if not more teams dancing this year than the Pac-10. I say should because the Pac-10 is still the Pac-10...meaning they get the benefit of the doubt at close calls for being a power conference.

[xsteve1]

I'll say this Parrom is going to be a stud. He had 10 and 7 yesterday. He sure would've looked good in Xavier blue. He brings a toughness to an Arizona team that is very soft.