Following Arizona (formerly Arizona vs. Rice Thread)

[Muskie1000]

I'm completely over Thad and Miller - however, I will not root for them either. In fact if Ohio State played Arizona, I just don't know who I would root for.

[Strange Brew]

I'm completely over Thad and Miller - however, I will not root for them either. In fact if Ohio State played Arizona, I just don't know who I would root for.

A roof collapse...............what.

[BBC 08]

A roof collapse...............what.

Better yet, a meteor. People can survive a roof collapse, no one survives meteor.

[Strange Brew]

Better yet, a meteor. People can survive a roof collapse, no one survives meteor.

Except for maybe roaches..........so darn. They would survive. We'd need to root for something more terminal..

[DC Muskie]

I wish we could just firebomb Arizona.

Seriously, for the life of me I can't figure out what this program thinks of itself. Is it a top flight program that coaches like Miller have to go to because it's top flight and can attract this type of talent? Or is it a program that needs Miller to get better so it can it go to and get top flight talent?

I really wish guys from Arizona would stop trying to think they understand the basketball world outside of Arizona, let alone how Xavier fits in it.

The article makes it sound like getting a guy from Oak Hill is the most amazing thing that could ever happen to your life, besides maybe, getting a player from Findlay Prep.

Here are a list of schools that had Oak Hill players:
Iona
SMU
Oral Roberts
UC-Riverdale
College of William & Mary
UNC-Ashville
Dayton

So the premise of getting a player at Oak Hill is the bees knees is sorta ridiculous. I mean we landed Lloyd Price, of the 359 degree slam dunk. Your honor I rest my case.

Plus if you want to look at rankings, the kid Zona got from Oak Hill is lesser ranked than the kid we landed for the following year at Word of God. I guess playing with John Wall means nothing to our friends in Arizona, since we can't attract this type of talent.

Just to get into specifics about Quinn Cook. I'm sad to see the kid leave, it's really pathetic in my mind to leave a program like DeMatha to go to Oak Hill to get "focused." Just say you wanted to do the same thing Nolan Smith did and be done with it. Doesn't matter, but the the author of the Zona article didn't bother to actually read the Post article. Jorge, or whatever is name is, tells us that just ten years ago it would have been unheard of to see such a transfer, but doesn't read the part where Jeff and Byron Allen left DeMatha to go to Oak Hill. In case anyone wants to know, we played Jeff Allen at Va Tech a few years ago.

Seriously, I love how this guy somehow knows the DeMatha program. Does this guy know that for decades players from DeMatha NEVER went to Georgetown. Austin Freeman is the like the first player in about 400 years. But Quinn Cook leaving means Georgetown is a long shot. That is hilarious. And don't get me started about Maryland. DeMatha sits in the same county, so that pretty much guarantees the Terps aren't landing Mr. Cook's services. But please Jorge, please continue.

I mean does this dude realize Miller started recruiting Cook when he was at Xavier? How did it become incredible to be in the race for this kid now that he has yet to play a game for Oak Hill and Miller is now at Arizona, where I'm supposed to believe where players like Cook attend.

Seriously, I would love Miller to take the time like he did to teach the kids how to cheer, could teach a class to the Zona writers what reality is like.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I wish we could just firebomb Arizona.

Seriously, for the life of me I can't figure out what this program thinks of itself. Is it a top flight program that coaches like Miller have to go to because it's top flight and can attract this type of talent? Or is it a program that needs Miller to get better so it can it go to and get top flight talent?

I really wish guys from Arizona would stop trying to think they understand the basketball world outside of Arizona, let alone how Xavier fits in it.

The article makes it sound like getting a guy from Oak Hill is the most amazing thing that could ever happen to your life, besides maybe, getting a player from Findlay Prep.

Here are a list of schools that had Oak Hill players:
Iona
SMU
Oral Roberts
UC-Riverdale
College of William & Mary
UNC-Ashville
Dayton

So the premise of getting a player at Oak Hill is the bees knees is sorta ridiculous. I mean we landed Lloyd Price, of the 359 degree slam dunk. Your honor I rest my case.

Plus if you want to look at rankings, the kid Zona got from Oak Hill is lesser ranked than the kid we landed for the following year at Word of God. I guess playing with John Wall means nothing to our friends in Arizona, since we can't attract this type of talent.

Just to get into specifics about Quinn Cook. I'm sad to see the kid leave, it's really pathetic in my mind to leave a program like DeMatha to go to Oak Hill to get "focused." Just say you wanted to do the same thing Nolan Smith did and be done with it. Doesn't matter, but the the author of the Zona article didn't bother to actually read the Post article. Jorge, or whatever is name is, tells us that just ten years ago it would have been unheard of to see such a transfer, but doesn't read the part where Jeff and Byron Allen left DeMatha to go to Oak Hill. In case anyone wants to know, we played Jeff Allen at Va Tech a few years ago.

Seriously, I love how this guy somehow knows the DeMatha program. Does this guy know that for decades players from DeMatha NEVER went to Georgetown. Austin Freeman is the like the first player in about 400 years. But Quinn Cook leaving means Georgetown is a long shot. That is hilarious. And don't get me started about Maryland. DeMatha sits in the same county, so that pretty much guarantees the Terps aren't landing Mr. Cook's services. But please Jorge, please continue.

I mean does this dude realize Miller started recruiting Cook when he was at Xavier? How did it become incredible to be in the race for this kid now that he has yet to play a game for Oak Hill and Miller is now at Arizona, where I'm supposed to believe where players like Cook attend.

Seriously, I would love Miller to take the time like he did to teach the kids how to cheer, could teach a class to the Zona writers what reality is like.

Ha, great rant sir.

[Muskied]

Javier Morales shall now forever be known as "Eggsavier Morales".....douchebag.

[smileyy]

FWIW, T.J. Johnson and Lloyd Price also came out of Oak Hill Academy.

[muskiefan82]

I'm completely over Thad and Miller - however, I will not root for them either. In fact if Ohio State played Arizona, I just don't know who I would root for.

I would root for this being the last chance either team has to secure a victory for the year, that it be a blowout for one team, and that it's so far gone the network cuts away to a Xavier game that earns Xavier their 30th win in the regular season making them the first team to go 30-0 in the regular season in ages.

That's what I would root for.

[xu95]

I have nothing against Miller. I think he flip flopped because he really loves Xavier and it was a tough decision. Matta on the other hand couldn't wait to get out of town.

xu95

[Masterofreality]

I wish we could just firebomb Arizona.

Seriously, for the life of me I can't figure out what this program thinks of itself. Is it a top flight program that coaches like Miller have to go to because it's top flight and can attract this type of talent? Or is it a program that needs Miller to get better so it can it go to and get top flight talent?

I really wish guys from Arizona would stop trying to think they understand the basketball world outside of Arizona, let alone how Xavier fits in it.

The article makes it sound like getting a guy from Oak Hill is the most amazing thing that could ever happen to your life, besides maybe, getting a player from Findlay Prep.

Here are a list of schools that had Oak Hill players:
Iona
SMU
Oral Roberts
UC-Riverdale
College of William & Mary
UNC-Ashville
Dayton

So the premise of getting a player at Oak Hill is the bees knees is sorta ridiculous. I mean we landed Lloyd Price, of the 359 degree slam dunk. Your honor I rest my case.

Plus if you want to look at rankings, the kid Zona got from Oak Hill is lesser ranked than the kid we landed for the following year at Word of God. I guess playing with John Wall means nothing to our friends in Arizona, since we can't attract this type of talent.

Just to get into specifics about Quinn Cook. I'm sad to see the kid leave, it's really pathetic in my mind to leave a program like DeMatha to go to Oak Hill to get "focused." Just say you wanted to do the same thing Nolan Smith did and be done with it. Doesn't matter, but the the author of the Zona article didn't bother to actually read the Post article. Jorge, or whatever is name is, tells us that just ten years ago it would have been unheard of to see such a transfer, but doesn't read the part where Jeff and Byron Allen left DeMatha to go to Oak Hill. In case anyone wants to know, we played Jeff Allen at Va Tech a few years ago.

Seriously, I love how this guy somehow knows the DeMatha program. Does this guy know that for decades players from DeMatha NEVER went to Georgetown. Austin Freeman is the like the first player in about 400 years. But Quinn Cook leaving means Georgetown is a long shot. That is hilarious. And don't get me started about Maryland. DeMatha sits in the same county, so that pretty much guarantees the Terps aren't landing Mr. Cook's services. But please Jorge, please continue.

I mean does this dude realize Miller started recruiting Cook when he was at Xavier? How did it become incredible to be in the race for this kid now that he has yet to play a game for Oak Hill and Miller is now at Arizona, where I'm supposed to believe where players like Cook attend.

Seriously, I would love Miller to take the time like he did to teach the kids how to cheer, could teach a class to the Zona writers what reality is like.

This is the DC Muskie we all know and love. Great venom filled rant- unusual for the laid back off-season. Way to bring it, DC!

[smileyy]

Seriously, for the life of me I can't figure out what this program thinks of itself. Is it a top flight program that coaches like Miller have to go to because it's top flight and can attract this type of talent? Or is it a program that needs Miller to get better so it can it go to and get top flight talent?


It can't be both? Arizona is a very storied program, but that started to fade, primarily due to coaching flux.

At the same time, it seems like the West Coast has taken some hits in it's ability to recruit talent. The Pac-10 overall is down, even outside of Arizona.

[DC Muskie]

It can't be both? Arizona is a very storied program, but that started to fade, primarily due to coaching flux.

Started to fade how exactly? They still sent to the tournament, even the Sweet 16, during the acid reflux they were in. Players, even guys who got picked in the NBA draft were still showing up at Arizona.

The entire article doesn't make sense. Jorge just banged on a lot of keys, and his editor rubber stamped it.

Editor: Great job uncovering that Maryland and Georgetown are out of the running for this Cook kid now that he has moved away Jorge. Get yourself another donut, you deserve it.

Jorge: Thanks boss. I completely discerned that information from reading about one sentence of the Washington Post article.

Editor: I especially like how you now say Arizona now has an in on these prep schools, because, well...because they are recruiting prep school kids. That's amazing insight Jorge.

Jorge: I learned that at my community college studying newspaper clipping. I would clip articles that stated the obvious, and just ingrained it into my brain, because I knew I'd have to use it one day.

Editor: Your brain?

Jorge: No newspaper clipping. Speaking of which I need to get back to work. I plan to use the Food section to come up how Arizona does their scheduling.

[Masterofreality]

Jorge: No newspaper clipping. Speaking of which I need to get back to work. I plan to use the Food section to come up how Arizona does their scheduling.

F- that. He'd just tune into "Ace of Cakes".

[SixFig]

"Of this group of six — Cook, Nick Johnson, Garrett, Jack, Shepard and Williams-Goss — the UA would be considered a success if it can land one of them (in addition to Sidiki Johnson) in the next two to three years. With the increased amount of prep-school players interested in Arizona, odds are Miller will sign one of them. If that happens, it will be a triumph for him beyond the normal scope of recruiting."

Wow signing one player will be a triumph! I thought at THE University of Arizona was supposed to be a top destination for five star prospects!

The author totally deserves a raise! What did he do read a couple Rivals headlines (wihtout the subscription of course cheap bastard) and then formulate a list of who UK is recruiting. Good job kid...you're the next George Will!

[GuyFawkes38]

Miller article by Andy Katz. Says some nice things about Xavier:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/5358475/miller-set-make-mark-arizona

[Muskie]

Nice little article.

[Masterofreality]

Ah, the revisionism continues.

"I'm at a new place, and the reality is that we were at the beginning stages,'' Miller said. "We're cementing a same culture, of how important defense is. It's not in place yet.

What happened to the idea that Final 4's out there would just happen because of the "tradition"?

"Tucson is a beautiful place to live,'' Miller said. "But there was an adjustment. You can't beat on Jan. 8 walking outside, and it's 70 degrees. It's almost hard to comprehend. The quality of life here is amazing."

Walk outside on July 8 and it's 110 degrees. It's almost hard to comprehend.

As for the "quality of life" I've been to Tucson- twice. There ain't a lot going on there unless A) You are involved with U of A, B) Play golf out there in the winter. Other than that (and Las Cazuelitas Mexican Restaurant) borrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ng.

[X-band '01]

Walk outside on July 8 and it's 110 degrees. It's almost hard to comprehend.


Tell that to people on the East Coast. Even Baltimore topped out at 105 today.

[DC Muskie]

Utter ridiculous.

I just love how low the expectations are at Arizona, while at the same time the idea that it's a top flight program. It's simply amazing me. I'm baffled. Oh wow, Miller's finally settled, and now they can go out and get players in the ultra tough PAC-10.

We have better facilities, better atmosphere, better defense, and yet somehow, somehow, Arizona is STILL a better program then us.

Seriously, sometimes you have to ask yourself, why do we even bother putting a team on the court. The basketball landscape has our former coaches in places that are so obviously better then us. It already set in stone.

I look forward to one day when Miller is just a nice afterthought.

[xnatic03]

Utter ridiculous.

I just love how low the expectations are at Arizona, while at the same time the idea that it's a top flight program. It's simply amazing me. I'm baffled. Oh wow, Miller's finally settled, and now they can go out and get players in the ultra tough PAC-10.

We have better facilities, better atmosphere, better defense, and yet somehow, somehow, Arizona is STILL a better program then us.

Seriously, sometimes you have to ask yourself, why do we even bother putting a team on the court. The basketball landscape has our former coaches in places that are so obviously better then us. It already set in stone.

I look forward to one day when Miller is just a nice afterthought.

Why can't he just be a nice afterthought now? Mack continues to recruit well, communicate well, and coach well. He has shown the type of recruits he's capable of landing as well as done a helluva good job as a first year coach with in-game coaching ability. Miller did well for us while at Xavier, and I commend him for that, but who cares if he is using revisionist history or not? Chris Mack is here and leading us to everlasting glory!

[DC Muskie]

Why can't he just be a nice afterthought now? Mack continues to recruit well, communicate well, and coach well. He has shown the type of recruits he's capable of landing as well as done a helluva good job as a first year coach with in-game coaching ability. Miller did well for us while at Xavier, and I commend him for that, but who cares if he is using revisionist history or not? Chris Mack is here and leading us to everlasting glory!

I don't disagree. Good post.

[Masterofreality]

Utter ridiculous.

I look forward to one day when Miller is just a nice afterthought.

Won't be long. Chris Mack will see to that.

It seems as if the Desert Raccoon is having more "afterthoughts" about Xavier than we are of him. Why the hell does he keep referencing Xavier if he doesn't harbor some regrets?

Sounds to me like he's trying very hard to say all the right things, while not totally believing them.

[sash19]

Won't be long. Chris Mack will see to that.

It seems as if the Desert Raccoon is having more "afterthoughts" about Xavier than we are of him. Why the hell does he keep referencing Xavier if he doesn't harbor some regrets?

Sounds to me like he's trying very hard to say all the right things, while not totally believing them.


Not wanting to get into the middle of a pissing match but MOR, I know Sean means the nice things he says about Xavier. While I also wish we could just "move" on, I know for fact that he stills cares about Xavier even though he left for a job he felt was right for him at the time. Will he miss X, yes who wouldnt? It made him the coach he is today. He and his family loved Cincy, X and its fans I can promise you that. He left for a job that he felt was a career advancement and included all the things that come with advancement. That however doesnt mean he doesnt "miss" Xavier, its people and its energy. That is natural....

[DC Muskie]

Sash-

I'm just going to say this. And you can tell him this next time you talk to him...if you want obviously.

It really, really sucks, reading how Sean is bringing things from Xavier and instilling them at Arizona. It really sucks reading how bad the situation is there and how much work Sean has to do to get it to the point of where he thinks Arizona could be.

Because it basically boils down to this.

Arizona at the lowest of lows in their program, in Sean's eyes, is still better than Xavier at its highest point. And no words of affection, adoration, love, or whatever are going to make it better. So I think along with other people, it's better for Sean to stop referencing Xavier.

He can still talk about the massive job he has ahead of him, I get the under promise, over perform mentality, but really the reasons he stated and you have repeated of taking a job that somehow is an advancement, while at the same time didn't have all the things in place like he did at Xavier is really going to ring hallow to a lot of Xavier fans.

And it's difficult for Xavier fans to move on, when articles are written like this, and Sean makes these types of statements.

[sash19]

Sash-

I'm just going to say this. And you can tell him this next time you talk to him...if you want obviously.

It really, really sucks, reading how Sean is bringing things from Xavier and instilling them at Arizona. It really sucks reading how bad the situation is there and how much work Sean has to do to get it to the point of where he thinks Arizona could be.

Because it basically boils down to this.

Arizona at the lowest of lows in their program, in Sean's eyes, is still better than Xavier at its highest point. And no words of affection, adoration, love, or whatever are going to make it better. So I think along with other people, it's better for Sean to stop referencing Xavier.

He can still talk about the massive job he has ahead of him, I get the under promise, over perform mentality, but really the reasons he stated and you have repeated of taking a job that somehow is an advancement, while at the same time didn't have all the things in place like he did at Xavier is really going to ring hallow to a lot of Xavier fans.

And it's difficult for Xavier fans to move on, when articles are written like this, and Sean makes these types of statements.

DC:

I totally understand what you are saying and in some ways agree with you. I however dont feel Sean mentioned Xavier because he "regrets" his decisison, more that he is using X as a model of how to do things the right way and be successful doing it. Plus he spent 8 years here.

I love X and will always. But what does U of A have over X? Better conference (historically), more "assumed" prestige historically, bigger recruiting budget, bigger "name" brand. However, what Xavier has is die hard fans, a beautiful campus, a state of the art arena and Chris Mack and his staff. I wouldnt trade those for anything that U of A has yet Sean felt it was an opportunity he couldnt pass up.

I do agree though that Sean should talk about U of A and not try to "compare" them to X. They are not the same and never will be. I dont look at it negatively though like some do. I see it as a compliment. You have a school like Arizona will all its rich history. You have a school like Xavier that has a rich history just not at the level of Arizona. For Sean to want to take Arizona and "make" them like X is a compliment to me. He is saying that for that program to get back to the level of national champ contenders, from where things stand now-modeling them after what X has done is something to be proud of for X. It took guys from Bob Staak (and some older guys) to Chris Mack to build the ultra successful program we have now. When a school with a perceived "advantage" over us feels our model is best, that is not something that is just Sean Miller. It is everyone from Bill Dailey to Father Hoff to Mike Bobinski to Chris Mack to David West/Brian Grant/James Posey, etc. He is saying that the X "way" is the best way and that to me is a compliment.....

[Masterofreality]

Not wanting to get into the middle of a pissing match but MOR, I know Sean means the nice things he says about Xavier. While I also wish we could just "move" on, I know for fact that he stills cares about Xavier even though he left for a job he felt was right for him at the time. Will he miss X, yes who wouldnt? It made him the coach he is today. He and his family loved Cincy, X and its fans I can promise you that. He left for a job that he felt was a career advancement and included all the things that come with advancement. That however doesnt mean he doesnt "miss" Xavier, its people and its energy. That is natural....

Sash,

You know I respect the heck out of you and also know that you and the former coach are friends. Fine.

But, please. Tell me where the "advancement" is now that he is obviously spinning that AZ is coming from the bottom. That sure was not the impression when he left. He sure did "advance" in money, I guess. Rather than all of those reasons he gave when he left for going out to the "storied program", I'd rather him just be honest and say "I left for the money." At least I could believe that 100%. By saying when he left he was going to a top shelf program and now saying that the program is on the bottom is just disingenuous, or he's just trying to cover his a$$.

Add to that, he didn't have the class to tell a recruit to Xavier that had already signed a letter of intent that he should honor his committment to the school and further there is the famous "Buick/Lexus comment that Parrom quoted. Sorry, everything that has taken place (including him leaving and adding to the "steppingstone" rap) smacks of disrespect to Xavier and his continued talking about XU sounds like he's crediting himself for the good stuff here. Sorry, but this XU train has been rolling on a positive plane way before the latest former coach became a caretaker. At least, he didn't stop the momentum and I guess that is something.

I'm with DC on this. Quit the commentary on anything Xavier and just talk about Arizona. We're done with him. He should quit bringing up the past.

[sash19]

Sash,

You know I respect the heck out of you and also know that you and the former coach are friends. Fine.

But, please. Tell me where the "advancement" is now that he is obviously spinning that AZ is coming from the bottom. That sure was not the impression when he left. He sure did "advance" in money, I guess. Rather than all of those reasons he gave when he left for going out to the "storied program", I'd rather him just be honest and say "I left for the money." At least I could believe that 100%. By saying when he left he was going to a top shelf program and now saying that the program is on the bottom is just disingenuous, or he's just trying to cover his a$$.

Add to that, he didn't have the class to tell a recruit to Xavier that had already signed a letter of intent that he should honor his committment to the school and further there is the famous "Buick/Lexus comment that Parrom quoted. Sorry, everything that has taken place smacks of disrespect to Xavier and talking more about XU sounds like he's crediting himself for the good stuff here.

I'm with DC on this. Quit the commentary on anything Xavier and just talk about Arizona. We're done with him. He should quit bringing up the past.

MOR:

I respect you at the same level but we just see differently on this (as do DC and I). That is fine though because I know you both are great X fans and it is cool that we dont see eye to eye on everything. To quickly answer your question (at least in my mind)-Arizona as a program is historically on a level above Xavier. Right now, hell no but in the history of college hoops it is. Sean has a BIG job ahead of him but he felt it was doable at a school like Arizona given what they have been in the past and obviously want to get back too in the future. Was it partially about money-no doubt. That is not even a question. It however was about the "challenge", the (in his mind) step up in competition both on the schedule (normal Pac 10) and his thoughts that recruiting at U of A may be "easier" than at X. I dont agree with those but that is what I would guess the reasons are for the move. Was Arizona the best move at the best time, to ME-no. He had turned down IU, Marquette, UVA and Arizona once before. Like Mark Few at Gonzaga, how long can you turn down jobs before they stop coming your way? Sean is young for a college coach. He may have seen it as his "opportunity" to be the best coach he can be was starting to shrink and he thought this move was one he had to make. As with all of us, it wasnt our call and we all were upset in one way or another that he left.

Should he talk about X as much-no but it is what it is. He is gone, we have a big time HC in Chris and a young, amazing staff. Life is good at X and that is ultimately all that matters to us.

[GoMuskies]

Was it partially about money

Ha! Good one.

[DC Muskie]

Like Mark Few at Gonzaga, how long can you turn down jobs before they stop coming your way?

Is that really an issue? If so, then this entire thing is only about money. Which I really don't want to rehash. I just think it's funny that Mark Few, who already has a good job, might not get job offers like UVA or Oregon anymore. I'm wondering why would that matter? His job is much better then most of those jobs. Anyway.

Look, I don't see it as a compliment. Not at all. Taking things at X, and saying how great things are a X, and then talking about how tough it is at Arizona is not a compliment at all.

I thought the self promotion press conference Bobo allowed Sean to have was the worst moment in Xavier history. Bar none. Like I mentioned before, what's the point of having a program if there are Arizona's of the world who at a total mess present more of advancement then something like Xavier? Especially if you turned it down once already? What changed? You finally realized that the challenge WAS something you wanted?

I don't see exactly how Arizona is so great in the first place. The Pac-10 in and of itself is probably the 6th best basketball conference year in and year out. This past year it was flat out awful.

I mean this with the utmost respect. Sean wants it all. And he can't have it all. And I get a little tired of reading from everyone on the planet it seems that even though Arizona has a monumental task of getting back to the tournament and the sweet 16, something it accomplished two years ago, Arizona is still on a higher level then us on the basketball playing field. I'd have more respect for Sean if he would just say, "Look, I inherited a storied program and going 16-15 is unacceptable. I didn't leave a good middle of pack small time school like Xavier to go 16-15 at Arizona." That would mean a lot more then this idea of him loving us, and missing us, and blah, blah blah, while on the other hand making sure everyone in the world realize that despite no restrictions, loss of scholarships or anything like it, that going 16-15 at Arizona is downright miracle.

When does Xavier stop taking a beat seat to anyone? When do we say, "Hey, going to another school is downright stupid." And don't tell me that it can't happen. Look what we have done in the last 30 years.

And it doesn't matter if a coach at Xavier doesn't get job offers from football schools with money, because we are pretty damn good.

[sash19]

Ha! Good one.

Obviously you think it was all about money. Thats fine.

[GoMuskies]

Obviously you think it was all about money. Thats fine.

Well, I do allow for the possibility that he enjoys losing. Don't get to do that much at Xavier (outside of his first two years, of course).

[sash19]

Well, I do allow for the possibility that he enjoys losing. Don't get to do that much at Xavier (outside of his first two years, of course).

Answer me this question then-did Sean Miller leave the program in a better place than where he inherited it from Beak Nose? If your answer is yes, why such cynical hatred? In the end, doesnt the success of Xavier basketball mean the most to all XU fans versus anything else?

[GoMuskies]

Beak Nose?

What? Answer me this question: Didn't Thad Matta leave the program in a better place than he inherited it from Skip Prosser? If so, why the need for namecalling? Seems like the success of Xavier basketball is all that matters, and no one has EVER been more successful at Xavier than Thad.

[sash19]

What? Answer me this question: Didn't Thad Matta leave the program in a better place than he inherited it from Skip Prosser? If so, why the need for namecalling? Seems like the success of Xavier basketball is all that matters, and no one has EVER been more successful at Xavier than Thad.

Thad Matta lied flat out to Xavier. Sean Miller didnt.

You have issue with Sean leaving. I have issue with HOW Thad left. Sean changed his mind yet was above water the whole time with Xavier. Thad Matta flat out lied to everyone. While they both did alot for Xavier, Thad left in a manner that was not "respectable."

[GoMuskies]

Thad and Sean are one and the same to me. Skip was only different because most of us were thrilled he decided to go. Because, as you say, "In the end, doesnt the success of Xavier basketball mean the most to all XU fans versus anything else?"

[sash19]

Thad and Sean are one and the same to me. Skip was only different because most of us were thrilled he decided to go. Because, as you say, "In the end, doesnt the success of Xavier basketball mean the most to all XU fans versus anything else?"

Since I have been around Xavier basketball, we have gone from Pete to Skip to Thad to Sean to Chris. Of all of those guys, Thad was the only one that I have "bad" feelings toward. Pete, Skip and Sean where always open about their contact regarding other jobs. They kept their boss in the loop per se. Thad said he wasnt a candidate yet he had already met with the OSU ad at Lunken. To me, he is a liar. He cares about Thad and Thad only. Proved it by jumping after 1 year at Butler (his alma mater) to X then to OSU. If things start looking bad at OSU, he will jump quickly. In my business, he is called a "check chaser." He strikes while the iron is hot no matter how he has to go about doing it.

[DC Muskie]

Hey if Thad kept turning down jobs, how long would it be before people stopped calling?

[Olsingledigit]

And the fact that X recruited Thad to leave Butler after one year says what about X?

[sash19]

And the fact that X recruited Thad to leave Butler after one year says what about X?


?????

Why would X not recruit Thad? He was an up and coming coach. Its his call to leave or not.....Same as UVA, Wake, OSU and Arizona recruiting our past coaches. Talent is a requirment to win as a college coach and our coaches have always been very good.

[GoMuskies]

And the fact that X recruited Thad to leave Butler after one year says what about X?

I think the answer is:


In the end, doesnt the success of Xavier basketball mean the most to all XU fans versus anything else?

[xnatic03]

Since I have been around Xavier basketball, we have gone from Pete to Skip to Thad to Sean to Chris. Of all of those guys, Thad was the only one that I have "bad" feelings toward. Pete, Skip and Sean where always open about their contact regarding other jobs. They kept their boss in the loop per se. Thad said he wasnt a candidate yet he had already met with the OSU ad at Lunken. To me, he is a liar. He cares about Thad and Thad only. Proved it by jumping after 1 year at Butler (his alma mater) to X then to OSU. If things start looking bad at OSU, he will jump quickly. In my business, he is called a "check chaser." He strikes while the iron is hot no matter how he has to go about doing it.

My oldest daughter was born the day Matta left, and her 6th birthday was yesterday, so it has been 6 years and 1 day since he left. I had a friend who babysat for the Mattas who offered me their stroller for when they moved, and I told them no (bad karma). I feel the same way that you do Sash about Matta versus how I feel about Miller. I also know that you are very much "in the know" with the program, so I trust your judgement on how things went down.
I think one thing we should all see, though, is that, as Sash points out, we have been better off after every coach has left than we were when they started. All this handwringing and namecalling is really not that important, since we are better off than we were with the previous coaches.

[GoMuskies]

we are better off than we were with the previous coaches.

The best revenge is living well.

[sash19]

The best revenge is living well.

Why is revenge needed? No coach we have lost went to uc or gayton. Nor did they go to an A10 school. What need is there for revenge? Unless they did something to you personally, what grounds do you have for "revenge?"

[GoMuskies]

They bailed on our program for more cash. You can wish them well as much as you want. I just enjoy that none of those guys (other than Thad one year) have really ended up having better success than Xavier at their new stops (at least not yet).

It's not like I'm wishing ill on them personally. There has to be a winner and a loser in every basketball game. I just want them to be the loser. They can go home afterwards and comfort themselves in their bathtubs filled with bullion.

[_LH]

The only issues I had with Miller leaving was that he tried to act like the money was not the reason when we all know it was the MAIN reason if not the only reason and 2.) the buick comment.

[DC Muskie]

Why is revenge needed? No coach we have lost went to uc or gayton. Nor did they go to an A10 school. What need is there for revenge? Unless they did something to you personally, what grounds do you have for "revenge?"

You realize we compete against them for recruits and wins right?

[xnatic03]

The only issues I had with Miller leaving was that he tried to act like the money was not the reason when we all know it was the MAIN reason if not the only reason and 2.) the buick comment.

LH, I do agree that the Buick comment and the final presser he did both made him look bad. It does seem as though he has done everything that he can in almost every interview to basically throw Xavier references in there (almost his way of making amends). Again, I go back to the fact that each coach has left us in a better position than he found it, even Thad (who I still don't like). Chris Mack seems to be a great recruiter, great in-game coach (and still improving), great evaluator of talent (both for coaches and recruits), and great communicator. I am extremely happy he is our coach and will move on from there.

[sash19]

You realize we compete against them for recruits and wins right?

We do not compete with Arizona for wins.....We have no common opponents. Yes, we compete for recruits. With our success, I see us winning most every battle we go against them in.

[DC Muskie]

We do not compete with Arizona for wins.....We have no common opponents. Yes, we compete for recruits. With our success, I see us winning most every battle we go against them in.

Yes we do. We compete on the national level. We are competing with at large bids, Sweet 16, Elite 8 and Final Four spots. We most certainly compete with them for wins.

And if you see us beating them in every battle, why is Arizona looked upon so much more favorably?

[Anti-Homer]

Why can't he just be a nice afterthought now? Mack continues to recruit well, communicate well, and coach well. He has shown the type of recruits he's capable of landing as well as done a helluva good job as a first year coach with in-game coaching ability. Miller did well for us while at Xavier, and I commend him for that, but who cares if he is using revisionist history or not? Chris Mack is here and leading us to everlasting glory!


Here Here.

[Masterofreality]

LH, I do agree that the Buick comment and the final presser he did both made him look bad. It does seem as though he has done everything that he can in almost every interview to basically throw Xavier references in there (almost his way of making amends).

Rather than expressing "love" for Xavier and "making amends" I prefer to believe that the latest former coach is only referencing Xavier to remind Arizona fans that he actually did win as a head coach - somewhere - to buy himself more time.

In the "what have you done for me lately" society, his past performance elsewhere will soon wear thin.

[xnatic03]

Rather than expressing "love" for Xavier and "making amends" I prefer to believe that the latest former coach is only referencing Xavier to remind Arizona fans that he actually did win as a head coach - somewhere - to buy himself more time.

In the "what have you done for me lately" society, his past performance elsewhere will soon wear thin.

You could be right with that too MOR. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if that is his angle.

[GuyFawkes38]

For those who follow Sean Miller, there's a "Cake Boss" marathon on TLC right now.

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per CollegeChalkTalk....



Miller Time in Arizona is Now





http://collegechalktalk.com/general/2010-11/releases/8.16.10bagga

[boozehound]

Not a bad article. I did find it interesting that the author was touting Miller's charisma when dealing with fans and giving press conferences, etc.

Is this the same Sean Miller who coached at Xavier? I wouldn't really have called him charismatic, particularly in interviews. Maybe not un-charismatic, but I don't think that he was a particularly charismatic coach in interviews, etc.

Mack on the other hand, is.

[AZtoCA]

It

[GuyFawkes38]

It

This post seems a little ambiguous to me.

[AZtoCA]

I Guess Miller can recruit

Josiah Turner, Nick Johnson, Sidiki Johnson (2011)

Still Working on LeBryan Nash

Looks like a NC is coming back to the AZ

[xufan02]

Please go away.

[Muskie]

I Guess Miller can recruit

Josiah Turner, Nick Johnson, Sidiki Johnson (2011)

Still Working on LeBryan Nash

Looks like a NC is coming back to the AZ

Will he be given enough time to assemble a title contending cast?

[SixFig]

I Guess Miller can recruit

Josiah Turner, Nick Johnson, Sidiki Johnson (2011)

Still Working on LeBryan Nash

Looks like a NC is coming back to the AZ

I see your 2011 class and raise you our future 2012 class. Guaranteed higher ranking.

[jco17]

Will he be given enough time to assemble a title contending cast?

Of course he will. The level headed Arizona fans never waivered, it's the idiot fans with zero patience that questioned his abilities. It was ridiculous and embarrassing reading some of the comments those fans were saying. You don't judge a coach by their first year at the school. He was getting 3 years to turn things around and looks like he's right on track or even ahead of schedule.

I'm glad to see Xavier is having no trouble recruiting. You're gonna get some damn good players in the next few seasons. Gonna be fun to watch.

[GuyFawkes38]

Following recruiting is boring.

Anybody see any episodes of cake boss lately. It's been a fun season.

Sean Miller got me into the show. Now I really do like it.

[jco17]

I see your 2011 class and raise you our future 2012 class. Guaranteed higher ranking.

Great, we wish nothing put good things for Xavier. I've always respected your program and was hoping to see you win a National Title. We should be bringing in Brandon Ashley, he is really good friends with Nick Johnson and Josiah Turner. We could have a better recruiting class in 2012 than 2011 as well.

I wish you guys the absolute best of luck. I'm glad to see Coach Mack is on his way to being yet another great coach for Xavier.

[Muskie]

Of course he will. The level headed Arizona fans never waivered, it's the idiot fans with zero patience that questioned his abilities. It was ridiculous and embarrassing reading some of the comments those fans were saying. You don't judge a coach by their first year at the school. He was getting 3 years to turn things around and looks like he's right on track or even ahead of schedule.

I'm glad to see Xavier is having no trouble recruiting. You're gonna get some damn good players in the next few seasons. Gonna be fun to watch.

I just wondered because I believe you have a new AD. Wasn't sure what the patience level would be since he wasn't the current AD's hire?

[GuyFawkes38]

why doesn't anyone want to talk about cake boss, damn it.

[tmac03]

I Guess Miller can recruit

Josiah Turner, Nick Johnson, Sidiki Johnson (2011)

Still Working on LeBryan Nash

Looks like a NC is coming back to the AZ

No go on Nash, he's cancelled his visit to Arizona and is down to 3.

[jco17]

I just wondered because I believe you have a new AD. Wasn't sure what the patience level would be since he wasn't the current AD's hire?

Our new AD is awesome. Greg Byrne is young and hungry. He's done a fantastic job so far and will have us in great shape. Our last AD had used up all 9 of his lives and most of us were ready to see him leave. Greg is gonna be a great AD, he works his butt off, and fits in great at Arizona. Like Lute Olson, Sean Miller will get all the support he asks for. He's done a fantastic job so far and winning will take care of itself shortly. Greg Byrne is a major player in revitalizing Arizona Athletics.

I'm not fully versed with all Bobinski has done at Xavier, but it seems he's done a fantastic job thus far. He took a chance on Mack and I think it's really gonna pay off. He's young and ready to take you guys to the next level. You have got to be happy with where Xavier is gonna be in the future..

[jco17]

No go on Nash, he's cancelled his visit to Arizona and is down to 3.

Yeah, we cancelled the visit. He is signing early and we are in a scholarship crunch. He wasn't going to Arizona anyway, so it didn't really matter. He's likely headed to Oklahoma State where his half brother Byron Eaton played. He's deciding in late Oct around the 21st on ESPN. I'd put big money on Oklahoma State.

[ballyhoohoo]

why doesn't anyone want to talk about cake boss, damn it.

Cakeboss is a helluva show, it makes me cough and sweat

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WwUKcaQZh9U/SkBiV_gACaI/AAAAAAAAApA/O12wuWFOSN4/s400/cake+boss.jpg

[LutherRackleyRulez]

Per Goodman/FoxSports......



MILLER BROTHERS UNITE IN UNLIKELY SPOT







http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/09/20/miller_brothers_unite_in_unlikely_spot

[AZtoCA]

Arizona cancels visits with top recruits

I guess Calamari did't teach Miller the old "Pink slip in the Locker trick"

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/15591/arizona-cancels-visits-with-top-recruits

[SixFig]

Arizona cancels visits with top recruits

I guess Calamari did't teach Miller the old "Pink slip in the Locker trick"

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/15591/arizona-cancels-visits-with-top-recruits

Yeah but he does have two over the scholarship limit, according the article, so someone is gonna get a pink slip.

[XUglow]

Our new AD is awesome. Greg Byrne is young and hungry.

You and Greg Byrne have at least one thing in common. You both think Greg Byrne is awesome.

[jco17]

Yeah but he does have two over the scholarship limit, according the article, so someone is gonna get a pink slip.

Alex Jacobsen would be an RS Sr next year so he will have already graduated. He will not be on the team next year, so we are really only 1 over the limit. There will be a transfer or 2 as well, just life. It happens all the time during coaching changes. Sean didn't recruit some of these kids and they may not be good enough to be awarded playing time and move on.

[jco17]

You and Greg Byrne have at least one thing in common. You both think Greg Byrne is awesome.

I had to laugh at this. You can tell he's a very confident guy. That's not my concern though, I just want him to do his job, and so far he's done a great job getting started. I do get what you are saying though, I've noticed it myself.

[GuyFawkes38]

I had to laugh at this. You can tell he's a very confident guy. That's not my concern though, I just want him to do his job, and so far he's done a great job getting started. I do get what you are saying though, I've noticed it myself.

What do you think of cake boss?

Is the entire cake boss phenomenon catching on in Arizona due to Miller?

[SixFig]

Sean didn't recruit some of these kids and they may not be good enough to be awarded playing time and move on.

So in other words a pink slip.

[jco17]

What do you think of cake boss?

Is the entire cake boss phenomenon catching on in Arizona due to Miller?

No, he's never been referred to as the cake boss. It is a good show though, I've watched it many times. Not sure how he (the real cake boss) hasn't strangled one of his sisters though, they are unbelievably annoying. :)

[jco17]

So in other words a pink slip.

There's a lot of transfers that take place in college basketball. Reality is that some players just don't produce and would be better off going to a mid major program. They'll sitll get a completly free education, unlike the rest of us who are clawing and scraping to get it over with. A scholarship is granted on a yearly basis, if they do not earn the scholarship, they do not keep it. You can call it a pink slip if you prefer to be blunt, but it still means the same thing. I hate it, but it's a business too and has to be done.

[AZtoCA]

Media Day

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/allaccess/?media=200170

[SixFig]

media day

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/allaccess/?media=200170

wgaf?

[waggy]

wgaf?

I mean really. Lexus U didn't even make the CBI last year.

[GoMuskies]

Good luck to Arizona. Sean Miller looks like he's building a nice little program there. It's cute.

[bobbiemcgee]

parrom couldn't run a mile? Pathetic.

[GoMuskies]

Sean Miller apparently had some speech therapy/coaching in the offseason. Still talks about Xavier a lot.

[Masterofreality]

Good luck to Arizona. Sean Miller looks like he's building a nice little program there. It's cute.

:p Reps.

[Cheesehead]

parrom couldn't run a mile? Pathetic.

I'm 41 and I ran 5 miles the other day and will do so again later today and I'm no D-1 prospect. That is pathetic.

[xnatic03]

when will this thread die already?

[AZtoCA]

Natyazhko
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/allaccess/?media=200340


Parrom
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/allaccess/?media=200343

[golfitup]

when will this thread die already?

Eh, it's fun to be bitter.

[SixFig]

Natyazhko
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/allaccess/?media=200340


Parrom
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/allaccess/?media=200343

Somebody ban this fool already. If I wanted info on former Xavier recruits I will look for it myself.

This clown is just sticking stuff in our face and hoping we get jealous or bitter that these guys aren't at X. Count me as one who doesn't give a ####. Xavier is going great places with or without these guys and Miller so take your media day info to someone who does.

[AZWildcat]

Somebody ban this fool already. If I wanted info on former Xavier recruits I will look for it myself.

This clown is just sticking stuff in our face and hoping we get jealous or bitter that these guys aren't at X. Count me as one who doesn't give a ####. Xavier is going great places with or without these guys and Miller so take your media day info to someone who does.


Ban him for what? For posting Arizona info in a thread titled "Following Arizona" ???


You sure are sensitive about this topic. Perhaps you should stop clicking on it? Just a thought.

[DC Muskie]

Or we could close this thread because "Following Arizona" is just something that shouldn't be on this board.

Just a thought.

[SixFig]

Ban him for what? For posting Arizona info in a thread titled "Following Arizona" ???


You sure are sensitive about this topic. Perhaps you should stop clicking on it? Just a thought.

I don't know? Blatently needling a fan base for no reason. Focus on fixing the Lexus first.

And yes this thread needs closing.

[bobbiemcgee]

Somebody ban this fool already. If I wanted info on former Xavier recruits I will look for it myself.

This clown is just sticking stuff in our face and hoping we get jealous or bitter that these guys aren't at X. Count me as one who doesn't give a ####. Xavier is going great places with or without these guys and Miller so take your media day info to someone who does.

One guy avg'd four ppg and the other guy 1. Who needs 'em. We got great players with their schollies.

[bobbiemcgee]

also I think coach puncher was hurt most of the year.

[CinciX12]

I don't really see what is all that wrong about following former coaches and seeing how they are doing. I do the same with Matta and will with Miller as well.

You kinda know what you are getting into when you open the thread. And I don't think he was trying to make us mad when its clear that those guys ended up being worthless last year.

[GoMuskies]

Natyazhko
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/allaccess/?media=200340


Parrom
http://www.arizonawildcats.com/allaccess/?media=200343

Those guys could have been quality scout team players for Xavier. It's a real shame...

[AZWildcat]

Or we could close this thread because "Following Arizona" is just something that shouldn't be on this board.





Or we could close this thread


Go for it. No skin off my nose. But just out of curiosity, why? After scanning several pages of this thread, it's obvious that a lot posters here are appreciative of what Sean Miller did for Xavier, and still enjoy following him. Why should they have to suffer just because a few overly sensitive types can't handle the topic of another team led by their former coach? Doesn't seem fair to me but, like I said, no skin off my nose.


because "Following Arizona" is just something that shouldn't be on this board.

Why not?

[GuyFawkes38]

I think this thread is valuable.

Where else would I put my links to Cake Boss clips?

Speaking of that, here's a great Halloween Cake Boss link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzUUCte9p6M

[Perma Fro]

Speaking of the Cake Boss, I still can't believe this is his wife...

http://media.nj.com/hobokennow_impact/photo/cake-boss-lisajpg-21a990dc8258c99d_large.jpg

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm 100% heterosexual. But I've got to admit that I might fall for the cake boss. I'm sure he can get anyone he wants.

[bobbiemcgee]

I actualy LOOK for AZ to make the C ake B oss I nvitational this year!

[Perma Fro]

I'm 100% heterosexual. But I've got to admit that I might fall for the cake boss. I'm sure he can get anyone he wants.

The man has his way with the ladies...

http://blogs.discovery.com/.a/6a00d8341bf67c53ef0133ed61c812970b-800wi

[xudash]

I actualy LOOK for AZ to make the C ake B oss I nvitational this year!

Very C reat I ve......crap, ran out of letters.

[Masterofreality]

Very C reative, B itchin' and I nventive......

Fixed that for you.

[XUglow]

Prediction: AZ will improve enough to turn down an NIT bid this year.

"That’s really not what our program is about right now," second-year Arizona coach Sean Miller told reporters of the NIT. " The goal here is to make the NCAA Tournament and be in a position for a seed that can advance and can threaten for the Final Four."

[DC Muskie]

Apparently AZ Wildcat is not opposed to losing skin off of his nose.

He is that insensitive. Amazing.


Do you ever wonder where these stpid phrases like "no skin off my nose" come from? Who in the world makes that up? How does it go from one person, to the next?

No skin off my nose. What the hell does that mean? Is that better than "no skin off my back."

I like my skin. I like it on me. Just saying.

[Masterofreality]

"That’s really not what our program is about right now," second-year Arizona coach Sean Miller told reporters of the NIT. " The goal here is to make the NCAA Tournament and be in a position for a seed that can advance and can threaten for the Final Four."

Wow, impressive. I thought that leaving to go to "one of the premier programs in NCAA basketball history" meant that only Final Fours were acceptable. Stealing already committed recruits, sort of put that to rest though.


Apparently AZ Wildcat is not opposed to losing skin off of his nose.


Easy to lose skin in a 1,000 degree desert. Just melts right off. Sunblock won't help. Those vultures can be a problem too.

[AZWildcat]

Why not?





Apparently AZ Wildcat is not opposed to losing skin off of his nose.

He is that insensitive. Amazing.


Do you ever wonder where these stpid phrases like "no skin off my nose" come from? Who in the world makes that up? How does it go from one person, to the next?

No skin off my nose. What the hell does that mean? Is that better than "no skin off my back."

I like my skin. I like it on me. Just saying.


Nice dodge.

[GuyFawkes38]

Cake Boss was in Italy on tonight episode.

Great stuff. Catch the repeat. The Cake Boss shows Italians how to cook real Italian deserts.

[BandAid]

Go for it. No skin off my nose. But just out of curiosity, why? After scanning several pages of this thread, it's obvious that a lot posters here are appreciative of what Sean Miller did for Xavier, and still enjoy following him. Why should they have to suffer just because a few overly sensitive types can't handle the topic of another team led by their former coach? Doesn't seem fair to me but, like I said, no skin off my nose.



Why not?

Cause there are more posts on the last couple pages of the thread on the Cake Boss, nose skin, and questioning whether or not the thread is necessary. I dare say the hijack is complete. This thread is no longer really about Sean Miller and the Arizona Wildcats, but more about the Frankenstein monster-like spectacle that the thread has become.

[bobbiemcgee]

It comes from the saying "putting your nose to the grindstone", having worked or put effort into getting something. "That's no skin off my nose" means you haven't lost anything , or that you didn't put any real effort into something that you didn't end up gaining. Therefore, no skin lost as a result of having placed it to the grindstone.

[GoMuskies]

I think it's nice to have a single thread for all things Xavier Lite. That way we don't need a new thread every....single....time they lose. We don't want all those new threads clogging up the board all season.

[Perma Fro]

Cake Boss was in Italy on tonight episode.

Great stuff. Catch the repeat. The Cake Boss shows Italians how to cook real Italian deserts.

"Who knew the word for cream cheese in Italian was 'Philadelphia'?"

[jco17]

when it stays more on topic than it has lately. For the most part, we are very respectful of you board and do not post in other threads unless we have some information that could be useful. I understand that some are still sensitive about Coach Miller leaving, but X is doing just fine without Sean and some of he staff. I like watching Xavier so I come here to follow what's going on presently or plans for the future.

I also understand there will always be people that completly close their mind to anything I have to say purely because I'm an Arizona fan. Right or wrong, that's just the way it is with some. It's nice to have this thread open if anybody has a question about Sean or the staff and may care about how they are doing. I'm sure some just come to the thread to give me a hard time and that's cool too. I can laugh at myself and others without taking offense.

Happy Veterans Day! Also, I wasn't on here yesterday so Semper Fi and Happy Birthday (yesterday) to all my brothers!

[jco17]

I think it's nice to have a single thread for all things Xavier Lite. That way we don't need a new thread every....single....time they lose. We don't want all those new threads clogging up the board all season.

Well you will have you're first shot November 14th at 5pm est on FoxSportsNet Arizona which is channel 415 for me on Dish Network. Just thought you might like to watch it since it's not on at like 1030pm, like their games usually start. Oh, we play national powerhouse Idaho State. :)

[DC Muskie]

Nice dodge.

Nice Buick.

[AZtoCA]

Arizona 90 Idaho St. 42

Arizona outrebounded Idaho State 39-24 and shot 59.6 percent while holding the Bengals to 28.1 percent from the field.

[Masterofreality]

Arizona 90 Idaho St. 42

Arizona outrebounded Idaho State 39-24 and shot 59.6 percent while holding the Bengals to 28.1 percent from the field.

Yawn.

[nuts4xu]

Sean Miller is a great American!

[DC Muskie]

Please someone put this thread out of it's misery.

[Masterofreality]

Please someone put this thread out of it's misery.

I agree.

We have a coach who has proven himself to me to be superior to the prior coach that left- in tactics, bench decisions, out of bounds plays and, arguably recruiting.

Other than occasional jabs, what happens in the desert is of little interest.

[xnatic03]

Please someone put this thread out of it's misery.

I've been saying this for about 6-8 months now. It's more then run its course. Who cares any more what AZ is doing? Do we have a "Following Ohio State" thread? Mack is the man in charge, and he has shown himself to be a more than capable replacement.

[Xman95]

Here's the thing I don't understand. There are several people asking to end this thread. However, those people keep coming back to this thread. Wouldn't it be better to just stop opening this thread and posting in it if you really want it to go away?

[DC Muskie]

Here's the thing I don't understand. There are several people asking to end this thread. However, those people keep coming back to this thread. Wouldn't it be better to just stop opening this thread and posting in it if you really want it to go away?

Or maybe we come to it because we don't understand why it's still here.

What's the problem with closing a thread? Does the world end? Do we need a thread like this?

Is there another solution where I can block this thread so I don't see it?

As a paying and active member of this board I don't think what I am asking is completely out of line. A simpler solution to coming here and wondering why this thread still exists is going ahead and closing the thread.

Do we need to have our friends give us updates? Do you really think that simply ignoring this thread will somehow drop it down to the bottom of the "Around the NCAA section?"

Do you really want to read me ask 400 questions as to why on God's green earth is thread still up and running?

Just close it.

[waggy]

Closed. PM one of the mods if you have a complaint.