NCAA likely to vacate Memphis wins

[Xman95]

UK, have fun with Rick Pitino Pt. 2. Calipari's a dirtbag too.

ESPN is reporting that sources are claiming that the term "vacate" is in the report the NCAA has put together on Memphis. They are also saying it's likely that the Tigers' Final Four run, along with other wins that season, will apparently cease to exist.

ESPN: NCAA likely to vacate Memphis wins (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4410862)

Here's a little tidbit that I found interesting:

"There's one thing John says, 'I want my banners to count for something and I want to put the rings on the fingers and let them stay there," Barnhart said. "That's important to him and so he is embracing any help that we give him to make sure we're able to, at the end of the day, not have to look over our shoulders and worry."

I'm sure he means it too. Heck, he'll only be the first coach to have two Final Four runs wiped away because of violations and the penalties that followed. Of course Calipari managed to get away totally unharmed in both cases.

That guy is scum, plain and simple.

[XUglow]

UK, have fun with Rick Pitino Pt. 2. Calipari's a dirtbag too.

ESPN is reporting that sources are claiming that the term "vacate" is in the report the NCAA has put together on Memphis. They are also saying it's likely that the Tigers' Final Four run, along with other wins that season, will apparently cease to exist.

NCAA likely to vacate Memphis wins (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4410862)

The NCAA acts in mysterious ways. I am still waiting to see if USC will have to vacate anything in either football and/or basketball.

[drudy23]

What does "vacating" wins actually do? The season is over...the games were played...and they won most of those games. Can we really all erase our memories and now say "no, they lost."

How is that a consequence? It's like when a a judge says "strike that from the record" in a court case...like everyone just erases it from their memory.

Am I missing something here besides just erasing wins?

[bobbiemcgee]

I'd like them to vacate Pitt's win.

[XUglow]

I'd like them to vacate Pitt's win.

With the NCAA, anything is possible. They may get so mad at UCLA that they will make Pitt vacate some W's.

[XU05and07]

What does "vacating" wins actually do? The season is over...the games were played...and they won most of those games. Can we really all erase our memories and now say "no, they lost."

How is that a consequence? It's like when a a judge says "strike that from the record" in a court case...like everyone just erases it from their memory.

Am I missing something here besides just erasing wins?

The memories are there...but the money and NCAA Tournament Credits would be gone for Memphis and C-USA

[Jumpy]

Will they have to pay back the money they received for appearing in the Final 4?

[MD Muskie]

the worse thing about all this is that the main culprits of this issue don't get affected at all. Rose is sittin pretty in Chicago making millions and Calipari is living the life in lexington now.

[XU-XHI]

My one problem with all of this, and I'm not letting Calipari off the hook, is that the infraction is based upon Rose having someone else take the SAT for him. The SAT is taken before entering college. The NCAA Clearinghouse has to clear Rose to play based on the scores and transcripts. Heck, they held Lyons out for much less. Shouldn't the NCAA be holding themselves accountable for allowing Rose to even play at all.

Again the problem with all of this is that Memphis and the current team are going to be punished for something that was out of their control.

[Emp]

My one problem with all of this, and I'm not letting Calipari off the hook, is that the infraction is based upon Rose having someone else take the SAT for him. The SAT is taken before entering college. The NCAA Clearinghouse has to clear Rose to play based on the scores and transcripts. Heck, they held Lyons out for much less. Shouldn't the NCAA be holding themselves accountable for allowing Rose to even play at all.

Again the problem with all of this is that Memphis and the current team are going to be punished for something that was out of their control.

Unless Calipari has a pipeline to the testtaker who scored for Rose on the SAT, I tend to agree. Absent some information about the SAT fraud, the Clearinghouse and Memphis should be able to give credence to an SAT score reported by the College Board.

OF course if the guy is pulling 600s net math + verbal (do they still grade on the 200-800 scale?) then suddenly jumps up to 1100, some further investigation including the College Board, is in order.

[XU 87]

I remember when Sparky Anderson became the first manager to win the World Series in both leagues. Calipari is now the first coach to have two different programs have their final four appearances taken away.

That's quite an honor.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

I remember when Sparky Anderson became the first manager to win the World Series in both leagues. Calipari is now the first coach to have two different programs have their final four appearances taken away.

That's quite an honor.

Maybe he'll have the tri-fecta after Lexington.

Think of all the rabid fans surrounding X in a 120 mile radius

UC - fans have already bought final four plane tickets
UD - fans who are celebrating their future final four birth/national championship contending team
UK - fans who are celebrating their future national championship

So I guess only one spot remains in the final four for 2009-2010 season...

[coasterville95]

Wait - would those UC fans be flying out of Indianapolis to fly to the Final Four? They can take photos of Lucas Oil on the way to the airport!

I know UC fans aren't mentally stable, but would any of them actually book a plane ticket to go to Indy???

On a lighter note - I just saw Lucas Oil Stadium (or the outside thereof) myself a couple weeks ago when I stopped off for a bite at Shapiros. The two are very close together.

[blobfan]

Unless Calipari has a pipeline to the testtaker who scored for Rose on the SAT, I tend to agree. Absent some information about the SAT fraud, the Clearinghouse and Memphis should be able to give credence to an SAT score reported by the College Board.

OF course if the guy is pulling 600s net math + verbal (do they still grade on the 200-800 scale?) then suddenly jumps up to 1100, some further investigation including the College Board, is in order.

They added an essay section a few years back so it's now on a 2400 point scale, not 1600: 800 math, 800 verbal, 800 essay, I think.

[Kahns Krazy]

Wait - would those UC fans be flying out of Indianapolis to fly to the Final Four? They can take photos of Lucas Oil on the way to the airport!

I know UC fans aren't mentally stable, but would any of them actually book a plane ticket to go to Indy???

On a lighter note - I just saw Lucas Oil Stadium (or the outside thereof) myself a couple weeks ago when I stopped off for a bite at Shapiros. The two are very close together.

UC's final four will be in New York.

[coasterville95]

So they have to vacate the 38 win season. Meanwhile Coach Cal rides off into the sunset, unscathed, to trash another college basketball program. Oh, wait, its UK, well this should make Cats Pause entertaining when he goes for the Trifecta. Remember, our A10 brethren in U-Mass also had their program trashed by Coach Cal. In fact minor troll wars between Cats Pause and Memphis Roar have erupted today.

But what exactly does vacate mean? For example, I went to Fifth Third Arena in December of 2007 and rather enjoyed watching the #1 team in the nation defeat the Bearcats. Now, do I have to pretend I saw the Bearcats WIN that game, or do I pretend the game never happened. It was just a figment of my imagination.

Memphis was the national runner up, but then again some people are also airing dirty laundry about that years Kansas team. I get they have to take the Final Four (and national runner up) banners down and pretend like they never happened, but what about the trophy they got for winning their regional to advance to the Final Four. I suspect they have to give that back, but does the NCAA hand it to whatever school they defeated. "Hey Guys, we're sorry to report that Memphis had an unfair advantage in playing an ineligible player. Tell you what, take this trophy and you can pretend you won a spot in the Final Four. Nobody in the college sports world will care, but hey its something"

[XUglow]

Vacate is weird. It isn't the same as a forfeit. Memphis loses the wins and any trophies and money that came with those wins.

[coasterville95]

So Memphis has to give up the wins in the record books and any cash/trophies/titles that came with them. But the opponents keep their record books the same?

[wkrq59]

It still all depends on whose oxen is being gored.
The NCAA is very selective and most definitely unfair in its investigations and enforcement of its rules. Why?
There are too many rules and they're too complicated.
They are designed to be reactive rather than proactive.
They are established to prevent one team from getting a competitive advantage over a team the NCAA favors. We all know who they are. They are also designed to keep the little guys in their place.
The penalties can be eased by hiring the right law firm and by pointing out all the money the NCAA has made from your school's activities.
As has been pointed out, the NCAA is just as lax and guilty as Memphis.
Why haven't Pete Carroll and USC been slapped? Why is Reggie Bush still held up to be emulated? Why has Florida State avoided the death penalty? Why is the NCAA still mulling over whether to "vacate" all of Bobby Bowden's records? Why have Jim Tressel and OSU been tenderized but never chopped up?
And why is there no mechanism for correcting an obviously erroneous call on the basketball floor?
Why for example has the OHSAA not slapped the shit out of North College Hill and taken action long before any records were established and money made? Those three kids got away with more school rules violations and in some occasions petty crimes plus intimidation of teachers and students and were never smacked down for offenses which would have resulted in expulsion?
We ok what pays in direct proportion to the amount paid and we smack the crap out of those who don't routinely pony up. That's the way it is.:D:D:D

[XU05and07]

UC's final four will be in New York.

I didn't think the CBI Final Four was played in NYC

[Kahns Krazy]

So Memphis has to give up the wins in the record books and any cash/trophies/titles that came with them. But the opponents keep their record books the same?

Basically, that's the way I understand it. There would be more losses than wins if you summed up everyone's records for the year.

[XUglow]

Yes, Q, since the NCAA is going to correct history with Memphis, do you think there is any chance that they will be asking UCLA to vacate any of Wooden's titles? Papa Sam Gilbert put out a bundle of cash to Wooden's players, and no one even tries to hide it these days. (Aw shucks, fellers, that was 40 years ago. We got a bonafied case of an educational testing service missing that a high school kid cheated on his SAT that we need to clear up.)

[X-band '01]

I didn't think the CBI Final Four was played in NYC

Nor was the CollegeInsider Tournament.

[Cheesehead]

While I think Calipari is a scumbag, it does concern me the power the NCAA has. It's essentially a tyrant in the world of college sports. It does whatever it wants w/ no real checks & balances of its power.

[XUglow]

While I think Calipari is a scumbag, it does concern me the power the NCAA has. It's essentially a tyrant in the world of college sports. It does whatever it wants w/ no real checks & balances of its power.

They don't give the same punishment for the same crimes. They are selective about whom they investigate. Etc. They make untold millions, they have a tax exempt status, and they answer to no one. Hmmm... I wonder if they have any job openings.