Jesse Berry to Dayton

[therick44]

Jesse Berry a 6'1" combo-guard from Lafayette-Jefferson in Indiana committed to Dayton.

Berry is can flat out fill it up and has a very well-rounded offensive game. The knock on him is he is small for a two-guard, but most feel he's not a point guard. He's also had some "behavioral issues," but seems to have matured from that.

This gives Dayton a really nice backcourt with Berry and Juwan Staten.

[gladdenguy]

Apparently in AAU hes been scoring 40+ points.
If Dayton can get Payne, they will have a great class.

[AviatorX]

Apparently in AAU hes been scoring 40+ points.
If Dayton can get Payne, they will have a great class.

That's better.

[XU 87]

Before anyone from UD gets too excited about him, he's not ranked in the Rivals top 150. He had offers from Ball State, UC and Butler.

[A10fan]

Before anyone from UD gets too excited about him, he's not ranked in the Rivals top 150. He had offers from Ball State, UC and Butler.

But ESPN does have him as the 167th best SG in the class. So they have that going for them ...... which is nice.


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[xu95]

Well UC is the best team in the country, so he can't be that bad.

xu95

[AdamtheFlyer]

He is a 3 star on Scout. Rivals hasn't evaluated him yet and ESPN seems to be way behind the curve (didn't even list any interested schools despite plenty of news on his offers and interests until this evening). BSnow drew comparisons to a young Brian Roberts in that he can pretty much get off a quality shot whenever he wants, in a split second. Small two guard, not really a one.

If he can be 1/4th of BRob in college we just got a good solid role player. Anything more would be awesome.

Now it's up to Brandon Spearman to decide if he wants to take the last non-Adreian Payne ship available. If not him it could be Jalen Steele out of Knoxville.

If, and yes, it's a big if Dayton can get commits from Spearman and Payne, BG will have pulled a potential top 15 national class on paper. Even if we "settle" for Jalen Steele and a big like Corey Petros, BG will have pulled an excellent class.

[xufan02]

Looks like a nice combo guard that can really score the ball. He shoots the ball well from deep, something the Flyers really need.

[XU 87]

AdamtheFlyer;132911]He is a 3 star on Scout. Rivals hasn't evaluated him yet and ESPN seems to be way behind the curve (didn't even list any interested schools despite plenty of news on his offers and interests until this evening).

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It seems to me, and to the rest of the rational basketball world, that Rivals and ESPN evaluate and/or cover the better players in the country. If they haven't, that tells me a few things.

[kdawg23]

Well UC is the best team in the country, so he can't be that bad.

xu95

Of course. Lance is the second coming of Carmelo Anthony. They won't lose a game all year.

[XU 87]

I looked up UC's incoming class on Rivals. It's not real strong. This kid that no one else wanted is about the only guy who seems to have any real talent. And according to Snow, UC beat out Nobody University to get that kid.

UC even has one guy coming in who chose UC over Old Dominion.

[therick44]

What does Rivals hasn't covered him mean? They've wrote about him all spring...

Berry has been a lot more impressive this spring than his highly touted teammate Dominique Ferguson.

BSnow is dead on that he can get his shot whenever he wants, and he has a lot of range as well.

[therick44]

I looked up UC's incoming class on Rivals. It's not real strong. This thug they brought in is about the only guy who seems to have any real talent. And according to Snow, UC beat out Nobody University to get that kid.

UC even has one guy coming in who chose UC over Old Dominion.

Have you ever heard of Sean Kilpatrick? I wouldn't say they have no talent...

[AdamtheFlyer]

What does Rivals hasn't covered him mean? They've wrote about him all spring...

Berry has been a lot more impressive this spring than his highly touted teammate Dominique Ferguson.

BSnow is dead on that he can get his shot whenever he wants, and he has a lot of range as well.

He's listed as "NR" on Rivals. No star listing, nothing. No one with interest from Kentucky, Indiana, Arizona, Dayton, Xavier, and Cincinnati is going to be less than 3 stars.One can only assume that a Rivals scout really hasn't seen the kid play and/or evaluated him to scale at this time. He's a three star prospect. Solid, can do a few things very well, but needs work to become a complete player. That was my point.

EDIT: Now Rivals has him as a three star. When I looked earlier, that wasn't there. Nothing but the picture.

[AdamtheFlyer]

AdamtheFlyer;132911]He is a 3 star on Scout. Rivals hasn't evaluated him yet and ESPN seems to be way behind the curve (didn't even list any interested schools despite plenty of news on his offers and interests until this evening).

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It seems to me, and to the rest of the rational basketball world, that Rivals and ESPN evaluate and/or cover the better players in the country. If they haven't, that tells me a few things.

I wouldn't categorize you as rational.

[SixFig]

Now Dayton has a berry to go with the watermelons.

[JimmyTwoTimes37]

He is a 3 star on Scout. Rivals hasn't evaluated him yet and ESPN seems to be way behind the curve (didn't even list any interested schools despite plenty of news on his offers and interests until this evening). BSnow drew comparisons to a young Brian Roberts in that he can pretty much get off a quality shot whenever he wants, in a split second. Small two guard, not really a one.

If he can be 1/4th of BRob in college we just got a good solid role player. Anything more would be awesome.

Now it's up to Brandon Spearman to decide if he wants to take the last non-Adreian Payne ship available. If not him it could be Jalen Steele out of Knoxville.

If, and yes, it's a big if Dayton can get commits from Spearman and Payne, BG will have pulled a potential top 15 national class on paper. Even if we "settle" for Jalen Steele and a big like Corey Petros, BG will have pulled an excellent class.

Haha, you guys are cracking me up with the huge if. ya it sounds like the kid can play a decent role. Im excited in what some teams in the league are doing. UD, X, St Joes, Charlotte, Lasalle have some bright futures. I just hope the league performs better OOC next year.

[therick44]

He's listed as "NR" on Rivals. No star listing, nothing. No one with interest from Kentucky, Indiana, Arizona, Dayton, Xavier, and Cincinnati is going to be less than 3 stars.One can only assume that a Rivals scout really hasn't seen the kid play and/or evaluated him to scale at this time. He's a three star prospect. Solid, can do a few things very well, but needs work to become a complete player. That was my point.

EDIT: Now Rivals has him as a three star. When I looked earlier, that wasn't there. Nothing but the picture.

Lol... The scouts have seen him.

You do realize Snow is the No.2 national guy for Rivals right?

[AdamtheFlyer]

Lol... The scouts have seen him.

You do realize Snow is the No.2 national guy for Rivals right?

I knew he was up there. Not a huge fan of Snow. Decent for raw info, but he's off base a lot. Like a LOT, and most people don't see it. He's, uh, easily mislead so to speak. Got an ego to him, too.

[XU 87]

Have you ever heard of Sean Kilpatrick? I wouldn't say they have no talent...

I didn't say "no" talent. I said there wasn't any "real" talent. Instead of "real" perhaps I should have used the word "significant" or the two words "a lot" (ie. "there isn't a lot of talent".) Maybe "not much" talent would have been better.

As for Kilpatrick, I read about him before I posted. He's not in the Rivals top 150 and he was offered by lower tier Big East teams (St. Johns, Seton Hall), Auburn, Oregon State and Kansas State. He is, on paper, a decent player and the kind of guy a lower tier Big East team has on its team.

The bottom line is that other than Stevenson, who is a recruit that no one else wanted, the rest of the class doesn't look like it's going to help UC get out of the Big East bottom half.

And Stevenson may be talented, but the fact that no one else wanted him should tell you something.

[XU 87]

I wouldn't categorize you as rational.


As opposed to a UD fan that thinks a UD recruit is a future all A-10 player on the sole basis that the guy committed to UD?

[AviatorX]

To be fair, Adam said something along the lines of him being a "role player," and that anything more than that would be excellent.

[therick44]

I knew he was up there. Not a huge fan of Snow. Decent for raw info, but he's off base a lot. Like a LOT, and most people don't see it. He's, uh, easily mislead so to speak. Got an ego to him, too.

I'm not talking about his judgment. I was just saying that in response to the fact that the scouts haven't seen him.

[therick44]

I didn't say "no" talent. I said there wasn't any "real" talent. Instead of "real" perhaps I should have used the word "significant" or the two words "a lot" (ie. "there isn't a lot of talent".) Maybe "not much" talent would have been better.

As for Kilpatrick, I read about him before I posted. He's not in the Rivals top 150 and he was offered by lower tier Big East teams (St. Johns, Seton Hall), Auburn, Oregon State and Kansas State. He is, on paper, a decent player and the kind of guy a lower tier Big East team has on its team.

The bottom line is that other than Stevenson, who is a thug that no one else wanted, the rest of the class doesn't look like it's going to help UC get out of the Big East bottom half.

And Stevenson may be talented, but the fact that no one else wanted him should tell you something.

I'd take Sean Kilpatrick on Xavier's team for sure...

[AviatorX]

I'd take Sean Kilpatrick on Xavier's team for sure...

This year you would, but if Parrom had stayed and the offseason wasn't completely unpredictable like this year's happened to me, you wouldn't be saying that.

[XU 87]

I'd take Sean Kilpatrick on Xavier's team for sure...

From reading your other posts it appears that you follow recruiting fairly closely. So I guess my response is, "We'll find out this year."

[therick44]

This year you would, but if Parrom had stayed and the offseason wasn't completely unpredictable like this year's happened to me, you wouldn't be saying that.

I don't know about that. Kilpatrick and Parrom are different players, and I really like Kilpatrick's game. He would help big time if Crawford leaves after a year.

[therick44]

From reading your other posts it appears that you follow recruiting fairly closely. So I guess my response is, "We'll find out this year."

I don't know if we'll know after one year. I'd imagine with Lance and Deonta in the offense Sean's role will be diminished a bit.

[therick44]

This year you would, but if Parrom had stayed and the offseason wasn't completely unpredictable like this year's happened to me, you wouldn't be saying that.

By the way just for the record I wasn't saying Xavier should have pursued Kilpatrick or that I was upset that we didn't get him. I was just stating that I think he'll be pretty good.

[West is Best]

He is a 3 star on Scout. Rivals hasn't evaluated him yet and ESPN seems to be way behind the curve (didn't even list any interested schools despite plenty of news on his offers and interests until this evening). BSnow drew comparisons to a young Brian Roberts in that he can pretty much get off a quality shot whenever he wants, in a split second. Small two guard, not really a one.

If he can be 1/4th of BRob in college we just got a good solid role player. Anything more would be awesome.

Now it's up to Brandon Spearman to decide if he wants to take the last non-Adreian Payne ship available. If not him it could be Jalen Steele out of Knoxville.

If, and yes, it's a big if Dayton can get commits from Spearman and Payne, BG will have pulled a potential top 15 national class on paper. Even if we "settle" for Jalen Steele and a big like Corey Petros, BG will have pulled an excellent class.

Staten is 5'8", Berry is listed at 6'1"... Not a lot of height in the backcourt. It worked for X with Lavender and Burrell, so It can be done.

Will be interesting to see if has any effect on Spearman... taking another undersized SG in the same class seems like a stretch.

[AviatorX]

Staten is 5'8", Berry is listed at 6'1"... Not a lot of height in the backcourt. It worked for X with Lavender and Burrell, so It can be done.

Will be interesting to see if has any effect on Spearman... taking another undersized SG in the same class seems like a stretch.

Isn't Spearman somewhere around 6'4? Hardly undersized for a SG.

[therick44]

Burrell is taller than Berry is but not by a whole lot. You are right though they are going to be very small in the backcourt, but in the A-10 they should be ok.

[kdawg23]

Staten is 5'8", Berry is listed at 6'1"... Not a lot of height in the backcourt. It worked for X with Lavender and Burrell, so It can be done.

Will be interesting to see if has any effect on Spearman... taking another undersized SG in the same class seems like a stretch.

FWIW...Staten is taller than that. He measured 5'10 1/2" w/o shoes at the Deron Williams Camp that JC attended. Still not tall but a lot bigger than Lavender.

[therick44]

FWIW...Staten is taller than that. He measured 5'10 1/2" w/o shoes at the Deron Williams Camp that JC attended. Still not tall but a lot bigger than Lavender.

Yeah he's definitely bigger than Dee Davis as well. I'd say Dee is about 5'7" - 5'8" and Staten is 5' 10".

[SixFig]

4 inches didn't help London Warren. I swear to god the "dreaded" one still has nightmares of Mr. Lavender

[X Factor]

FWIW...Staten is taller than that. He measured 5'10 1/2" w/o shoes at the Deron Williams Camp that JC attended. Still not tall but a lot bigger than Lavender.

Actually, they measured the players with shoes on because they play in shoes. Staten did measure 5'10 1/2" but it was with shoes.

[Madfan]

Dee Davis is 5'10" w/o shoes. Should grow a little more. Dad is 6'1".

[xu95]

What does Rivals hasn't covered him mean? They've wrote about him all spring...

Berry has been a lot more impressive this spring than his highly touted teammate Dominique Ferguson.

BSnow is dead on that he can get his shot whenever he wants, and he has a lot of range as well.

What I love is when a Dayton fan says "B. Snow is a shill for Xavier", until he says something nice about a Dayton recruit and then it is "B. Snow is the God of recruiting".

xu95

[kyxu]

Four pages on a Dayton recruit??? Really???

[kdawg23]

Actually, they measured the players with shoes on because they play in shoes. Staten did measure 5'10 1/2" but it was with shoes.

Thanks for the correction.
I misread the fine print. (Heights w/shoes, Weights w/o shoes) which could be one of the dumbest things I have read. Kind of like how the NBA Pre-Draft measures the players w/o shoes and then w/shoes, with all players growing an inch with shoes. I really hope they don't actually measure them twice, but just add an inch.

[West is Best]

Isn't Spearman somewhere around 6'4? Hardly undersized for a SG.

They have him listed on Rivals as 6'3", so I assumed he was around 6'1.5" or 6'2". If that's the case they could have issues with Jordan Crawford/Dionte Christmas/Jimmy Baron types. If he is taller than his listed height, its less of a concern.

[AdamtheFlyer]

I'm not talking about his judgment. I was just saying that in response to the fact that the scouts haven't seen him.


Fair enough.

[AdamtheFlyer]

Staten is 5'8", Berry is listed at 6'1"... Not a lot of height in the backcourt. It worked for X with Lavender and Burrell, so It can be done.

Will be interesting to see if has any effect on Spearman... taking another undersized SG in the same class seems like a stretch.


We'll also have Paul Williams, a solid 6'2" - 6'3" with good legth. But yeah, on the whole the guards will be smaller, although all of them but Parker are great athletes. Berry can dunk, Staten can dunk. They can occupy space in the air if need be, and you're talking about an inch or two tops given up to most guards. As long as they're not guarding a guy like Rodney Green that can post up and score as a guard, they'll be fine. You put Williams on a guy like that. Warren is 6 feet, Lowery 6'1ish...and they are top notch defenders in the A10, and both have no problem scoring at the bucket. You can develop players into that role.

I'm more worried about playing 3 freshmen and a first year transfer so many minutes in the backcourt than their height. Most, including myself, expect Staten to show up and be really good right away. It may take Berry a year or two to get "there". Parker may take his full junior year, who knows. That is the question I have trouble answering, especially if Wright blows up and enters the draft after this year (which might be a 50/50 call at this point).

I still think Dayton gets Spearman at the end of the month when he says he'll decide.

[therick44]

What I love is when a Dayton fan says "B. Snow is a shill for Xavier", until he says something nice about a Dayton recruit and then it is "B. Snow is the God of recruiting".

xu95

First of all I'm far from a Dayton fan.

Second, I never said Brian is a shill nor did I say he is God... I simply agreed with one thing he said about one recruit. (assuming he did say what was posted and attributed to him of course)

[therick44]

Dee Davis is 5'10" w/o shoes. Should grow a little more. Dad is 6'1".

If Dee is 5'10" then I have to be taller than 6'0" because I've held conversations standing there with him and I was noticeably taller than him.

I'm not completely doubting you, I could be taller than what I thought I was (5'10-5'11).

[Title_BU]

Before anyone from UD gets too excited about him, he's not ranked in the Rivals top 150. He had offers from Ball State, UC and Butler.
Not Butler. That hasn't been standing since sometime last year.

[Atlas]

But ESPN does have him as the 167th best SG in the class. So they have that going for them ...... which is nice.


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