OSU sports programs dirtier than I thought?

[D-West & PO-Z]

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content//local_news/stories/2009/05/31/FERPA_OSU.ART_ART_05-31-09_A14_D4E14K6.html?sid=101

[AviatorX]

Without even reading the article let me say this:

Warranted or not, the OSU athletic department can't be any dirtier than I think it is.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Without even reading the article let me say this:

Warranted or not, the OSU athletic department can't be any dirtier than I think it is.

Jim Tressel is the John Calipari of football.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

Please, college football recruiting is dirty, every school has their own ways of getting around the rules... OSU is just really good at giving more and not getting caught, don't hate.

[AviatorX]

Please, college football recruiting is dirty, every school has their own ways of getting around the rules... OSU is just really good at giving more and not getting caught, don't hate.

Doesn't make it right.

Are you one of those OSU for football only guys? Nothing personal.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Please, college football recruiting is dirty, every school has their own ways of getting around the rules... OSU is just really good at giving more and not getting caught, don't hate.

Not hating. Just stating OSU is dirty and Tressel is the Calipari of football. I mean the guy had violations at youngstown state even.

[GuyFawkes38]

Tressel is a complete slime ball. But lets face it, your typical OSU fan is kind of slimey too. So no one cares.

Lloyd Carr might have lost a lot of OSU and bowl games at the end of his tenure, but at least he ran a clean program.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

Doesn't make it right.

Are you one of those OSU for football only guys? Nothing personal.

I'm ok with discussing this and I am obviously one of those, simply because I'm not going to root for Miami, wasn't raised to and who would if you aren't alumni? Not going to root for UC, just seeing the logo makes me angry, couldn't possibly root for any affiliation of the school. Xavier doesn't have one so that leaves........ In the end its a moot point for me. I was raised on Xavier basketball and Buckeye football, you have little say in such situations.... not complaining though!

College football is way to awesome not to follow and support a team, especially just because a team owns said sport!

[AviatorX]

I'm ok with discussing this and I am obviously one of those, simply because I'm not going to root for Miami, wasn't raised to and who would if you aren't alumni? Not going to root for UC, just seeing the logo makes me angry, couldn't possibly root for any affiliation of the school. Xavier doesn't have one so that leaves........ In the end its a moot point for me. I was raised on Xavier basketball and Buckeye football, you have little say in such situations.... not complaining though!

College football is way to awesome not to follow and support a team, especially just because a team owns said sport!

Fair enough. I root for Va Tech stemming from family member's going there and whatnot, but I guess I see where you are coming from. It's just that my dislike for OSU runs very, very deep.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm ok with discussing this and I am obviously one of those, simply because I'm not going to root for Miami, wasn't raised to and who would if you aren't alumni? Not going to root for UC, just seeing the logo makes me angry, couldn't possibly root for any affiliation of the school. Xavier doesn't have one so that leaves........ In the end its a moot point for me. I was raised on Xavier basketball and Buckeye football, you have little say in such situations.... not complaining though!

College football is way to awesome not to follow and support a team, especially just because a team owns said sport!

florida?

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[ThrowDownDBrown]

It's unbelievable how much hate some people have for OSU, especially in Cincy.

Btw all the football violations were minor and self reported, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your arguments. You want to talk about a dirty athletic department go take a look at USC.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's unbelievable how much hate some people have for OSU, especially in Cincy.

You dont have to hate OSU to see that the athletic programs are pretty dirty. The Columbus paper has it right there for us all to read.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's unbelievable how much hate some people have for OSU, especially in Cincy.

Btw all the football violations were minor and self reported, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your arguments. You want to talk about a dirty athletic department go take a look at USC.

You mean many. Dont let reading get in the way of your OSU love though.

[gladdenguy]

It's unbelievable how much hate some people have for OSU, especially in Cincy.

Btw all the football violations were minor and self reported, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your arguments. You want to talk about a dirty athletic department go take a look at USC.

OSU is dirtier than USC. Don't fret on the fact that more all americans and better players will much rather choose USC to show off their football skills. The 35-3 beating this last year only helps that simple decision for the best players in America.
Its amazing how ignorant Ohio St. fans are and will always be.
Kentucky basketball and Ohio St. football fans are the biggest, most ignorant, knobjobs in sports. The last 3 bowl losses for the Luckeyes/Suckeyes have been such a pleasure.
And, I can't post this without thinking of the Greg Oden bullsh%*.

[thefortyniner]

Doesn't make it right.

Are you one of those OSU for football only guys? Nothing personal.

thefortyniner is about to piss some people off...


I'm ok with discussing this and I am obviously one of those, simply because I'm not going to root for Miami, wasn't raised to and who would if you aren't alumni? Not going to root for UC, just seeing the logo makes me angry, couldn't possibly root for any affiliation of the school. Xavier doesn't have one so that leaves........ In the end its a moot point for me. I was raised on Xavier basketball and Buckeye football, you have little say in such situations.... not complaining though!
FFO or FBO fans are pathetic, especially those who attend a school with a D-I athletics program. Root for your school. If your school doesn't have football, that sucks (trust me, I know) but being a "FFO" fan just shows that you have a crack in your school pride just big enough to allow you to root for somebody else.


College football is way to awesome not to follow and support a team, especially just because a team owns said sport!

Until your team runs into a big game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1920867

Jim Tressel arrived in Youngstown in 1986, the right man at the right time. Tressel looked like a minister in his trademark sweater vest and perfect haircut, and played the part, too, founding a Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter at the school. His athletes traveled in coat and tie and said "Yes, ma'am" to airplane flight attendants. He talked constantly about his players as family and about the team as a tool for community pride. As many as 20,000 fans a game filled the team's downtown stadium, cheering for the Penguins -- and for the revival of a valley's heart. "That's what kept that city alive, the university and the hospitals," said Ray Isaac, quarterback on Tressel's first title team. "We were the toast of the town. We had parades. We had it all."

Isaac had more. As the NCAA would later learn, Isaac was taking money from a booster from virtually the moment he joined the team in 1988. A few hundred here, a thousand or so there, including $3,800 during the 1991 championship season. In all, Isaac got about $10,000, plus the use of various cars, during his career. Ray "The Colonel" Isaac was Tressel's original Maurice Clarett, a Youngstown kid with quick feet and open palms who would lift his team, and coach, to new heights.

Isaac's benefactor was Michael "Mickey" Monus, chairman of the university's board of trustees and a local hero in his own right. As the dazzling, if disheveled CEO of the rapidly expanding Phar-Mor discount drug store chain, he created thousands of local jobs. Sam Walton of Wal-Mart once called Monus the only businessman he feared, for he couldn't understand how the Youngstown-based company could open so many stores (300 in 33 states) so quickly. Walton would get his answer with a subsequent federal conviction: Monus was cooking the books, Enron-style. He remains in prison on corporate fraud crimes, his empire in shambles.

Monus declined ESPN.com's request for an interview. And Youngstown State isn't eager to share the contents of its investigation into the Monus-Isaac matter. Twice, high-ranking officials at the university promised to make the school's internal report available to ESPN.com, only to later deny its release. A university lawyer said that Youngstown State considers the report as among Isaac's student records, which cannot be released under open-records law due to privacy restrictions.

But this much is certain, based on an ESPN review of legal documents and other sources: Monus was no stranger to Tressel. A huge sports fan, Monus could be found on the sidelines during Penguin games. He was on the university athletics committee that hired Tressel. And, according to court testimony that eventually brought the Isaac payments to light, it was Tressel who directed Isaac to Monus at the start of his freshman year.

"I got a call from Mr. Tressel," Monus told a jury, "and I believe the call was that he wanted me to be introduced to Ray and to work out some kind of job for him."

.............................................

Tressel's former Youngstown State players have seen this scenario play out before. At the time, some players wondered about the cars that Isaac was driving around town. But Tressel, if he did notice red flags, never asked questions, to the appreciation of his players


The bolded parts sound like Calipari. And thats at youngstown state!

[AviatorX]

As a Xavier fan, can someone explain to me why I shouldn't hate OSU?

[thefortyniner]

OSU is dirtier than USC. Don't fret on the fact that more all americans and better players will much rather choose USC to show off their football skills. The 35-3 beating this last year only helps that simple decision for the best players in America.
Its amazing how ignorant Ohio St. fans are and will always be.
Kentucky basketball and Ohio St. football fans are the biggest, most ignorant, knobjobs in sports. The last 3 bowl losses for the Luckeyes/Suckeyes have been such a pleasure.
And, I can't post this without thinking of the Greg Oden bullsh%*.

Spend five minutes in a room with a Tar Heel fan and you'll be changing your tune, my friend.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

OSU is dirtier than USC. Don't fret on the fact that more all americans and better players will much rather choose USC to show off their football skills. The 35-3 beating this last year only helps that simple decision for the best players in America.
Its amazing how ignorant Ohio St. fans are and will always be.
Kentucky basketball and Ohio St. football fans are the biggest, most ignorant, knobjobs in sports. The last 3 bowl losses for the Luckeyes/Suckeyes have been such a pleasure.
And, I can't post this without thinking of the Greg Oden bullsh%*.

Gonna have to disagree, but maybe thats because I'm arrogant and such. USC has both the Bush and Mayo violations that just happened while OSU's are so major and outrageous Espn is dedicating E:60 and there other gibberish all over it..... no because what they did everyone does.

Also, you point out our loses, who is your team and what have they done?

[PM Thor]

As a Xavier fan, can someone explain to me why I shouldn't hate OSU?

I pose the opposite question, as a Xavier fan, why should you hate OSU?

I'm a casual OSU football fan. I know how college football works. I don't identify with OSU football personally, but out of all the college teams out there, they are the ones that I hooked myself unto. I do think this is reprehensible, and I'm not going to defend it. But seeing that I suspect many big time programs do this, then I can't throw OSU under the bus alone. Are they dirty? Yes. But the whole system is broken, and no one at the NCAA cares because the money keeps rolling in.

Now if this was Xavier that did this? I would be pissed. Furious.

I HATE dayton.

[Backyard Champ]

Ohio State fans are clueless. They should never have won the 2002 National championship- after Miami storms the field a late flag is thrown on a questionable play. OSU football is overrated every year, it's pretty ridiculous. The worst thing about it, living in Ohio, and attending Ohio University, where everyone is an OSU fan, is hearing that bullsh*t chear "O H....IO" It's so annoying. When it comes to college football, my favorite team is the team playing OSU. Nothing better then when UM beats them

[AviatorX]

I pose the opposite question, as a Xavier fan, why should you hate OSU?



1. Direct geographic rival in recruiting
2. One of the vaunted "big boys" that we always portray ourselves as trying to take down, but eventually join their ranks
3. Greg Oden
4. They took Thad Matta (doesn't look so bad now but at the time it sucked)
5. 2007 NCAA Tourney Game
6. Greg Oden

[thefortyniner]

1. Direct geographic rival in recruiting
2. One of the vaunted "big boys" that we always portray ourselves as trying to take down, but eventually join their ranks
3. Greg Oden
4. They took Thad Matta (doesn't look so bad now but at the time it sucked)
5. 2007 NCAA Tourney Game
6. Greg Oden

And to take away the terribly predictible rebuttle:

OSUFFO: But, but, I only like them in football... and Xavier doesn't play football...

...Yeah, where do you think a large part of their basketball budget comes from? Let me fill you in... football is their flagship and it fuels their entire athletic dept. The football program brings in a ton from ticket revenue in that hideous stadium of theirs. Every big game that they choke in on national TV brings in money. Every piece of apparrel that they sell brings the athetic dept money, which is distributed to all sports.

So guess what? That $30 you spend on an OSU hoodie for autumn Saturdays... a portion of it (albeit extremely small) is going into Thad Matta's paycheck.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

Ohio State fans are clueless. They should never have won the 2002 National championship- after Miami storms the field a late flag is thrown on a questionable play. OSU football is overrated every year, it's pretty ridiculous. The worst thing about it, living in Ohio, and attending Ohio University, where everyone is an OSU fan, is hearing that bullsh*t chear "O H....IO" It's so annoying. When it comes to college football, my favorite team is the team playing OSU. Nothing better then when UM beats them

The only thing worth addressing is you saying we should never have won the title. Was it questionable, yeah, was it late, yeah, but should a ref making a call like they always do in game out weigh the rest of the game. No one thought we had a chance yet it still came down to that after a great game.

OSU fans can't help the media's love with Ohio State. Sucks to be you.

O-H! I-O!

[AviatorX]

And to take away the terribly predictible rebuttle:

OSUFFO: But, but, I only like them in football... and Xavier doesn't play football...

...Yeah, where do you think a large part of their basketball budget comes from? Let me fill you in... football is their flagship and it fuels their entire athletic dept. The football program brings in a ton from ticket revenue in that hideous stadium of theirs. Every big game that they choke in on national TV brings in money. Every piece of apparrel that they sell brings the athetic dept money, which is distributed to all sports.

So guess what? That $30 you spend on an OSU hoodie for autumn Saturdays... a portion of it (albeit extremely small) is going into Thad Matta's paycheck.

Yeah, I assumed someone would counter with this.

Be careful there, there is ONLY ONE flagship to be spoken of on this board, and that is the flagship of the A-10.

Disgusting, just disgusting.

[thefortyniner]

The only thing worth addressing is you saying we should never have won the title. Was it questionable, yeah, was it late, yeah, but should a ref making a call like they always do in game out weigh the rest of the game. No one thought we had a chance yet it still came down to that after a great game.

OSU fans can't help the media's love with Ohio State. Sucks to be you.

O-H! I-O!

Oh, my bad... I thought you went to Xavier.

[AviatorX]

Oh, my bad... I thought you went to Xavier.

For real, can we keep the "Hang On Sloopy" garbage off the board?

I didn't want to have to do this, look away if you must but.......

Image removed so no one throws up...


Still looking forward to the Horseshoe on Fall Saturdays?

[Backyard Champ]

O-H! I-O!

Lol Nice touch. I really do wonder though if people outside of Ohio actually think OSU is a legit team. They have not performed well in their big games recently. In fact, they have gotten killed in most of them outside of the Big Ten.

Not to change the subject too much, and I'm not exactly sure how to put this but: Does anyone think that teams from the North have a disadvantage come bowl season? It seems like the Spread offense has been dominating recently, and teams from the North can't really rely upon the passing attack due to the weather conditions they may have to face. Take Big Ten as an example, they seem to have to have a pound it out offense/physical defense because they can't really rely upon speed to win games. Then when they go to their bowl games, they play in perfect conditions which favors teams who have their games based on speed.

[PM Thor]

1. Direct geographic rival in recruiting
2. One of the vaunted "big boys" that we always portray ourselves as trying to take down, but eventually join their ranks
3. Greg Oden
4. They took Thad Matta (doesn't look so bad now but at the time it sucked)
5. 2007 NCAA Tourney Game
6. Greg Oden

Seriously? You hate OSU because they are a direct rival in recruiting? I guess you should feel the same way about Louisville, UK, Butler, Western Kentucky, among others....

I have no idea what #2 means. We are Xavier, we won't be measured by others.

#3. Greg Oden? Really? He said in his own words what happened in that scenario, so I don't see how the entire OSU system is looked down upon for one simple event. Do you look down on Pitt for last year?

#4. They didn't "take" Matta. He left. Big difference.
#5. The best game in the tourney that year? Xavier gained so much from that date that I wish we got to play that game over.
#6. See number 5 and 3.

I HATE dayton.

[GuyFawkes38]

#5. The best game in the tourney that year? Xavier gained so much from that date that I wish we got to play that game over.

Pmthor has a point. That game was sweet. And it was an honor to lose to such an awesome program like OSU. sure.

Ok, I'm hoping the late hour of thors post affected his reasoning skills.

[boozehound]

thefortyniner is about to piss some people off...


FFO or FBO fans are pathetic, especially those who attend a school with a D-I athletics program. Root for your school. If your school doesn't have football, that sucks (trust me, I know) but being a "FFO" fan just shows that you have a crack in your school pride just big enough to allow you to root for somebody else.



Until your team runs into a big game.

I'm going to have to disagree strongly with your argument about football-only fans.

Some people like football, particularly college football. If they went to a school that does not have a football program but were raised a fan of a team they should stop rooting for that team as soon as they attend a different college?

I see nothing wrong with a Xavier alumni and basketball fans being OSU football fans (anymore than I see something wrong with anyone who is an OSU fan!). Going to a school that does not have a D1 football program shouldn't mean that you can't have a team.

I am a Michigan fan. Both of my parents went to Michigan. My Dad's 4 brothers all went to Michigan. I went to Xavier. Do I still have ties to UM? Absolutely. Do I still have an emotional interest in the program? Of course. Why should I stop rooting for Michigan football just because I went to Xavier?

[gladdenguy]

The only thing worth addressing is you saying we should never have won the title. Was it questionable, yeah, was it late, yeah, but should a ref making a call like they always do in game out weigh the rest of the game. No one thought we had a chance yet it still came down to that after a great game.

OSU fans can't help the media's love with Ohio State. Sucks to be you.

O-H! I-O!

Why aren't you an Ohio St basketball fan???? I'm not sure you are even a Xavier basketball fan.
And the O - H - I - O does not belong to Ohio State. Ohio University was founded in 1812. They clearly represent the OHIO. That is the most ignorant chant I've ever heard. What a bunch of dorks.

[Strange Brew]

For real, can we keep the "Hang On Sloopy" garbage off the board?

I didn't want to have to do this, look away if you must but.......

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vsJFpmRPLAo/RgMy76yxn5I/AAAAAAAAAG0/NZlQiRRMMtM/s320/ron+lewis.bmp


Still looking forward to the Horseshoe on Fall Saturdays?


$%%^%&&*^%$^&*#!@#@$$#%%^&*&*((**^%^$%$## Aviator. Delete, delete, delete. My eyes are bleeding.

[AviatorX]

Seriously? You hate OSU because they are a direct rival in recruiting? I guess you should feel the same way about Louisville, UK, Butler, Western Kentucky, among others....

I have no idea what #2 means. We are Xavier, we won't be measured by others.

#3. Greg Oden? Really? He said in his own words what happened in that scenario, so I don't see how the entire OSU system is looked down upon for one simple event. Do you look down on Pitt for last year?

#4. They didn't "take" Matta. He left. Big difference.
#5. The best game in the tourney that year? Xavier gained so much from that date that I wish we got to play that game over.
#6. See number 5 and 3.

I HATE dayton.

Thor, I'm not looking at the situation logically, just from a Xavier fan's point of view. Great game or not, it still sucks to me from a Xavier perspective. Do you think Memphis fans are talking about how awesome Mario Chalmer's shot was from the title game?

No one here can ever convince me to like/appreciate OSU, you could make the same valid points in an argument as to why we should support UC.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Why aren't you an Ohio St basketball fan???? I'm not sure you are even a Xavier basketball fan.
And the O - H - I - O does not belong to Ohio State. Ohio University was founded in 1812. They clearly represent the OHIO. That is the most ignorant chant I've ever heard. What a bunch of dorks.

Yeah because OU has provided sooo much to world. A good journalism program (a dieing profession) and an overrated/overcrowded hallowen party. OSU is a better school and god knows we have a much much better athletic program. When people think of Ohio they think of OSU, barely anyone knows who OU is outside of the Buckeye state. O yeah the Buckeye state, I wonder why we're not called the Bobcat state?

There's no debating OSU has struggled in recent big games but those teams really were not that talented. They had some great individual players (Troy, Ginn, Gonzo, Pittman, Beanie, Robiskie, Gholston, JL, Jenkins) but notice the lack of lineman. They poor line play in the trenches is why OSU has played poorly in those title games and USC game. But the d line got a lot better as the year went on, just look at the difference in the Penn St and Texas games. When you have a good d line it takes soo much pressure off the rest of the d. Wth regards to the o line, they have had poor talent and underachieved these last couple of years. Boone is the poster child of this. The recruiting has picked up in the trenches lately though, especially on the o line. This coming year will feature a very green OSU team but in 2 and 3 years OSU will be right there going for the title again. Honestly they could this year if they beat USC but they won't be nearly as talented and experienced this year as they will in '10 and '11.

Hate on the bball progam all you want, as a student I support them but since the NCAA game my liking has gone way down. The basketball program is a bunch of bandwagon fans who show up when they're good like in 06, and lately many are losing faith in Matta and his recruiting style. They should be pretty solid this year though with everyone back except the very disappointing BJ. Then in 2010 a great freshman class will come in and OSU could be a final four caliber team. Maybe Thad can win the fans back by then, but OSU will always be a football school. Case in point we sold out only a couple basketball games last year yet got 95,000+ for the spring football game.

O btw haters can keep hating, we'll keep the trophy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMvjADmxhVw

[Backyard Champ]

When people think of Ohio they think of OSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMvjADmxhVw

Thats a shame. As for a video check this one out: http://www.dailymotion.com/bookmarks/panthers34/video/xymli_ohio-stflorida-agony-of-defeat_sport A classic.

[MuskieCinci]

I am a casual OSU football fan. I do not care for the basketball team and I do not really like the fans. I think OSU fans are extremely arrogant and they are not usually very in touch with reality, which is why Penn State is my favorite college football team. I think you can like Xavier basketball and root for whoever you want come college football season. It is a really fun sport and going to the games is a great experience.

[PM Thor]

Thor, I'm not looking at the situation logically, just from a Xavier fan's point of view. Great game or not, it still sucks to me from a Xavier perspective. Do you think Memphis fans are talking about how awesome Mario Chalmer's shot was from the title game?

No one here can ever convince me to like/appreciate OSU, you could make the same valid points in an argument as to why we should support UC.

I'm not saying that I would want the same outcome from the OSU game, of course, what I was getting at is that the exposure Xavier garnered from that game was probably the biggest coverage our program has ever gotten (I am guessing). That is what I prefer to focus upon.

Thing is, the game was a few years ago now, so I can't really hold onto the bitterness from that loss anymore. Every program has games in their history that they would want to change, but why rehash it and why throw the entire opposing school under the bus for it? I don't understand it. (Yes, I fully see the utter irony of saying this, and having the disdain I have for dayton too....sue me)

I HATE dayton.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

I'm ok with discussing this and I am obviously one of those, simply because I'm not going to root for Miami, wasn't raised to and who would if you aren't alumni? Not going to root for UC, just seeing the logo makes me angry, couldn't possibly root for any affiliation of the school. Xavier doesn't have one so that leaves........ In the end its a moot point for me. I was raised on Xavier basketball and Buckeye football, you have little say in such situations.... not complaining though!

College football is way to awesome not to follow and support a team, especially just because a team owns said sport!


Why aren't you an Ohio St basketball fan???? I'm not sure you are even a Xavier basketball fan.
And the O - H - I - O does not belong to Ohio State. Ohio University was founded in 1812. They clearly represent the OHIO. That is the most ignorant chant I've ever heard. What a bunch of dorks.

Never had to quote myself but for those who can't read......... It's for you too 49er because I don't go to Xavier. Now go back to your board.

I still haven't seen a legit reason not to root for their football team yet. It's been all "I can't believe you like them because they win" reasons. This is the last I waste time on such non-sense until confronted with real reasons.

I will discuss the image OSU has to other people who aren't morons and look at a team for what they are, not who they are. There is no question the rest of college football questions if they are all hype or not and only way they can disprove it is win. I would think the game against Texas would have shown we aren't all hype, considering people wanted Texas in the NC, which I was one of them. As a fan I'm hoping we can return the favor to USC this season, only time will tell, but I like their chances. With that, all the "experts" might stop questioning us, but really, who cares, OSU will always have haters, as everyone can see from the examples from our intelligently put together posts in this thread.

[AviatorX]

I'm not saying that I would want the same outcome from the OSU game, of course, what I was getting at is that the exposure Xavier garnered from that game was probably the biggest coverage our program has ever gotten (I am guessing). That is what I prefer to focus upon.

Thing is, the game was a few years ago now, so I can't really hold onto the bitterness from that loss anymore. Every program has games in their history that they would want to change, but why rehash it and why throw the entire opposing school under the bus for it? I don't understand it. (Yes, I fully see the utter irony of saying this, and having the disdain I have for dayton too....sue me)

I HATE dayton.

Haha that was my next question.

Say I want to follow some good old Division 3 football, is it acceptable for me to put on a nice red hoodie, trek up to the concrete turf field at Welcome Stadium, and cheer on the Flyers?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Never had to quote myself but for those who can't read......... It's for you too 49er because I don't go to Xavier. Now go back to your board.

I still haven't seen a legit reason not to root for their football team yet. It's been all "I can't believe you like them because they win" reasons. This is the last I waste time on such non-sense until confronted with real reasons.

I will discuss the image OSU has to other people who aren't morons and look at a team for what they are, not who they are. There is no question the rest of college football questions if they are all hype or not and only way they can disprove it is win. I would think the game against Texas would have shown we aren't all hype, considering people wanted Texas in the NC, which I was one of them. As a fan I'm hoping we can return the favor to USC this season, only time will tell, but I like their chances. With that, all the "experts" might stop questioning us, but really, who cares, OSU will always have haters, as everyone can see from the examples from our intelligently put together posts in this thread.

I'm not saying dont root for them all I am saying is the program is rather dirty. That isnt really disputable. You can say every college football team is it but no is as dirty as Ohio state.

And if OSU is ever going to beat USC anytime soon this would be the year. USC is pedicted to have a "down" year by their standards.

The fact is OSU has shown they cant compete with the elite of the SEC and USC. Thank God for Tressel that he did get that phantom call in the Miami game or else he may be labeled the worst big game coach ever.

[Xman95]

College football is way to awesome not to follow and support a team, especially just because a team owns said sport!

And, by "owns" he means they literally bought it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

And, by "owns" he means they literally bought it.

I thought he was talking about Florida but you could be right as well.

[AviatorX]

And, by "owns" he means they literally bought it.

It's ok though because they then went ahead and reported their own violation, so it's like it never happened.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's ok though because they then went ahead and reported their own violation, so it's like it never happened.

Haha ya, I was thinking that too. Like that means it is ok and that nothing bad is happening. What a joke!

[OSUMuskie]

$%%^%&&*^%$^&*#!@#@$$#%%^&*&*((**^%^$%$## Aviator. Delete, delete, delete. My eyes are bleeding.

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Being a student and one of the few avid X fans here at Ohio State, I still get crap from people posting the link of that video.

I come here every day to get my fill of Xavier basketball, and this is what I see today...is no place sacred?

[PMI]

Tressel is a complete slime ball. But lets face it, your typical OSU fan is kind of slimey too. So no one cares.

Lloyd Carr might have lost a lot of OSU and bowl games at the end of his tenure, but at least he ran a clean program.

This is true.


It's unbelievable how much hate some people have for OSU, especially in Cincy.

Btw all the football violations were minor and self reported, but hey don't let facts get in the way of your arguments. You want to talk about a dirty athletic department go take a look at USC.

It's not unbelievable when you consider that you have to hear OSU fans running their mouths all the time, most of them bandwagons who make themselves sound stupid. I grew up a UM fan so I never liked Ohio State. I wasn't taught to hate Ohio State like lots of the porch-ass OSU fans I've dealt with were taught to hate the entire state of Michigan, but I obviously didn't like them. Then I went to Cincinnati. And now I loathe everything about them. So to me, it was unbelievable how many people in Cincy liked OSU. Obviously not all the OSU fans were obnoxious, and some were my friends, but when the overwhelming majority of those around you in scarlet and gray are assholes, it becomes an easy choice for a kid who grew up casually rooting for Michigan.

Not all their violations were minor and self-reported. And why should we have to compare them to another dirty program? It's OK as long as you aren't the dirtiest? Please. I ask all Xavier fans to imagine their reactions if XU reported several violations, and how it would change the way we look at our program. Many of the people who say they take pride in the way we do things casually root for a program that does things dirty, clear as day. Why is it different?



Its amazing how ignorant Ohio St. fans are and will always be.


For the majority of the ones I've come across, yes, it is.


Ohio State fans are clueless. They should never have won the 2002 National championship- after Miami storms the field a late flag is thrown on a questionable play. OSU football is overrated every year, it's pretty ridiculous. The worst thing about it, living in Ohio, and attending Ohio University, where everyone is an OSU fan, is hearing that bullsh*t chear "O H....IO" It's so annoying. When it comes to college football, my favorite team is the team playing OSU. Nothing better then when UM beats them

That call was not questionable. It was downright awful and the wrong call. But OSU still won that game. I liked Miami that year because Sean Taylor was my favorite player, and ended up becoming my favorite football player of all time, so I was pissed in many ways, but it's still a moot point now. Miami did catch some bad breaks that game though, particularly with McGahee going down.

The OHIO chant and the song are among the most annoying things I had to hear when living in Ohio. I really hate the Sloopy song now, not that it was ever that great a song in the first place.


For real, can we keep the "Hang On Sloopy" garbage off the board?

I didn't want to have to do this, look away if you must but.......

Image removed so no one throws up...


Still looking forward to the Horseshoe on Fall Saturdays?

Sorry, I won't bring it up again. Just had to get off my chest how much I hate that chant and song. But you have to do me a favor in return and NEVER POST THAT IMAGE AGAIN FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. The only time I was more taken back was when NJ!NP! posted the image of Keith Waleskowski and Sean Finn having sex with a watermelon together, and we all know how that one turned out.




#3. Greg Oden? Really? He said in his own words what happened in that scenario, so I don't see how the entire OSU system is looked down upon for one simple event. Do you look down on Pitt for last year?


I HATE dayton.

What did Oden say? I missed it. I imagine it must have been along the lines of "I was really frustrated that we were about to get knocked out in the second round and see the end of my career at the last level of basketball I will ever do anything in again, so I intentionally fouled the **** out of the best player on the court today to put our team and fans out of our misery and just end it, but the refs somehow didn't call the intentional. Thank God Cage's second FT rattled out."

I don't look down at OSU for that event, but I do look down on Greg Oden (if that's possible.) Where did anything similar happen in the Pitt game?


Why aren't you an Ohio St basketball fan???? I'm not sure you are even a Xavier basketball fan.
And the O - H - I - O does not belong to Ohio State. Ohio University was founded in 1812. They clearly represent the OHIO. That is the most ignorant chant I've ever heard. What a bunch of dorks.

That made me chuckle. I think we should start calling Ohio the Bobcat state. Or the Musketeer state.


I'm not saying that I would want the same outcome from the OSU game, of course, what I was getting at is that the exposure Xavier garnered from that game was probably the biggest coverage our program has ever gotten (I am guessing). That is what I prefer to focus upon.

Thing is, the game was a few years ago now, so I can't really hold onto the bitterness from that loss anymore. Every program has games in their history that they would want to change, but why rehash it and why throw the entire opposing school under the bus for it? I don't understand it. (Yes, I fully see the utter irony of saying this, and having the disdain I have for dayton too....sue me)

I HATE dayton.

Personally, I may never get over that game. I went from having one of the best days of my life to the worst, and it all happened so fast. I had to be up high with lots of OSU fans for that shot at Rupp Arena. It was tragic. Truly tragic.




I still haven't seen a legit reason not to root for their football team yet. It's been all "I can't believe you like them because they win" reasons. This is the last I waste time on such non-sense until confronted with real reasons.

I will discuss the image OSU has to other people who aren't morons and look at a team for what they are, not who they are. There is no question the rest of college football questions if they are all hype or not and only way they can disprove it is win. I would think the game against Texas would have shown we aren't all hype, considering people wanted Texas in the NC, which I was one of them. As a fan I'm hoping we can return the favor to USC this season, only time will tell, but I like their chances. With that, all the "experts" might stop questioning us, but really, who cares, OSU will always have haters, as everyone can see from the examples from our intelligently put together posts in this thread.

Who gave "I can't believe you like them because they win" reasons? You got very touchy from the get-go. There are a lot of people who don't like them, for whatever reasons they want. Deal with it. You can root for whoever you want. I rooted for X before I went there and would still today had I not. I would just warn you to be careful because you seem to edging dangerously close to the level of the typical jaded OSU fan with some of these comments. If that's how you want to be, fine, but we probably should never meet.

[pickledpigsfeet]

Thank God for Tressel that he did get that phantom call in the Miami game or else he may be labeled the worst big game coach ever.

So 6-1 or 7-1 against Michigan, their biggest rival, aren't big game wins, including when Michigan was #2 a few years back. And a win over highly ranked Texas at Texas doesn't count? I'd say Tressel is closer to .500 in "big games" over his tenure at OSU than your suggested O'fer. I also believe he's .500 in bowl games too.

Also, clearly OSU has had a crazy number of violations, self reported or not, but I'd be curious to see Michigan's. I'm not suggesting Michigan is as bad, or certainly not worse, but no big school runs a clean program and Carr certainly had some blemishes during his time. Their basketball program has several well documented abuses for instance (Chris Webber taking over $400k).

As others have expressed, you don't have to go to a school yourself to be able to root for them. Both of my parents went to Ohio State, as have several others in my family, and I was an OSU fan before I had ever even heard of Xavier. For me now, Xavier Basketball comes first, followed by Ohio State football, and I have a casual interest in their basketball team and root for them as long as it doesn't affect Xavier, and I don't see any conflicts of interest there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

So 6-1 or 7-1 against Michigan, their biggest rival, aren't big game wins, including when Michigan was #2 a few years back. And a win over highly ranked Texas at Texas doesn't count? I'd say Tressel is closer to .500 in "big games" over his tenure at OSU than your suggested O'fer. I also believe he's .500 in bowl games too.

Also, clearly OSU has had a crazy number of violations, self reported or not, but I'd be curious to see Michigan's. I'm not suggesting Michigan is as bad, or certainly not worse, but no big school runs a clean program and Carr certainly had some blemishes during his time. Their basketball program has several well documented abuses for instance (Chris Webber taking over $400k).

As others have expressed, you don't have to go to a school yourself to be able to root for them. Both of my parents went to Ohio State, as have several others in my family, and I was an OSU fan before I had ever even heard of Xavier. For me now, Xavier Basketball comes first, followed by Ohio State football, and I have a casual interest in their basketball team and root for them as long as it doesn't affect Xavier, and I don't see any conflicts of interest there.

I dont consider a game against any Big Ten team big.

[Smooth]

When the Phar Mor here in Cincinnati was going out of business I took advantage of the 40% off everything sale. To my pleasant surprise, the cashier gave me an additional 50% off by only scanning every other item. I thought Xavier was going to have to self-report this, but it appears that I had graduated a couple months before this happened, so I did not receive improper benefits from Phar Mor while attending Xavier.

[LyonsIsFlyin]

Who gave "I can't believe you like them because they win" reasons? You got very touchy from the get-go. There are a lot of people who don't like them, for whatever reasons they want. Deal with it. You can root for whoever you want. I rooted for X before I went there and would still today had I not. I would just warn you to be careful because you seem to edging dangerously close to the level of the typical jaded OSU fan with some of these comments. If that's how you want to be, fine, but we probably should never meet.

Defending my alligance to a school isn't getting touchy, but I suppose asking for legit reasons for peoples loathing of a school for no said reason could be seen as such. The comments like "florida" and bashing a schools chant are things I see as people openly admitting to having no true gripe with a school other than them being a winning program and trying to bash them with nothingness.

As for OSU being a dirty program, I know no one likes it but it is college football. You see more examples with Alabama today, theirs a little more serious. I'm not naive enough to think we got TP because of the fit, I'd rather all schools not do it and run clean programs, but its not all the school. Recruits and parents know whats going on and they go to the highest bidder most of the time. NCAA is at fault as well, its just a broken system.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

I dont consider a game against any Big Ten team big.

The Big 10 has had some down years recently but to say something like this is idiotic. So are no wins against Big East teams big? What about the ACC? Because the Big 10 is better then those two conferenes. Throw the Big 12 in there too? Or do they count even though Oklahoma has had an even worse big game record this decade and Texas has very simialr results to OSU. Your bias against anything OSU is clearly showing

[XURunner85]

I can't stand OSU for anything....I cheer for ND in football because I grew up in a ND family (Grandfather, Dad and Uncle all graduated fro ND). I cheer for Northwestern because I grew up in Chicago and for many years they just kept on losing every Saturday, you felt sorry for them. I cheer for Illinois well because Chicago is in Illinois. Since I have lived here after Xavier (since 1985) I have never ever been to a UC football game, had free tickets once, turned them down. I yelled at my son for him going to a few games with his friends ( he grew up hating UC, wonder why?). I will cheer for Miami when ever they play OSU and UC witht the hopes they pull off the victory....In my opinion, OSU, UC are both dirty and should be given the death penalty, no explanations, no court, just given the dealth penalty....

[AviatorX]

I can't stand OSU for anything....I cheer for ND in football because I grew up in a ND family (Grandfather, Dad and Uncle all graduated fro ND). I cheer for Northwestern because I grew up in Chicago and for many years they just kept on losing every Saturday, you felt sorry for them. I cheer for Illinois well because Chicago is in Illinois. Since I have lived here after Xavier (since 1985) I have never ever been to a UC football game, had free tickets once, turned them down. I yelled at my son for him going to a few games with his friends ( he grew up hating UC, wonder why?). I will cheer for Miami when ever they play OSU and UC witht the hopes they pull off the victory....In my opinion, OSU, UC are both dirty and should be given the death penalty, no explanations, no court, just given the dealth penalty....

More of this.

[BiggieXU]

I pose the opposite question, as a Xavier fan, why should you hate OSU?

I'm a casual OSU football fan. I know how college football works. I don't identify with OSU football personally, but out of all the college teams out there, they are the ones that I hooked myself unto. I do think this is reprehensible, and I'm not going to defend it. But seeing that I suspect many big time programs do this, then I can't throw OSU under the bus alone. Are they dirty? Yes. But the whole system is broken, and no one at the NCAA cares because the money keeps rolling in.

Now if this was Xavier that did this? I would be pissed. Furious.

I HATE dayton.
I was born a Buckeye fan growing up in Columbus. Lately college football in general has just bored me anyway, mainly because of the BCS crap.

I do love the generalizations about Buckeye fans though. And I still have 3 retorts to anyone saying the nat'l championship game was decided on the late flag, since there were 3 other bad calls near the end of regulation that allowed Miami to get the game to OT.

So now I defend OSU to Xavier fans and get crap about Xavier from my family who are all OSU fans. Sigh

[Tardy Turtle]

I'll root against OSU football just to aggravate pickledpigsfeet.

[pickledpigsfeet]

I'll root against OSU football just to aggravate pickledpigsfeet.

But I think you'll admit that I'm a pretty reasonable fan. Oh, and blow it out your ass.

[thefortyniner]

Never had to quote myself but for those who can't read......... It's for you too 49er because I don't go to Xavier. Now go back to your board.

I still haven't seen a legit reason not to root for their football team yet. It's been all "I can't believe you like them because they win" reasons. This is the last I waste time on such non-sense until confronted with real reasons.

I will discuss the image OSU has to other people who aren't morons and look at a team for what they are, not who they are. There is no question the rest of college football questions if they are all hype or not and only way they can disprove it is win. I would think the game against Texas would have shown we aren't all hype, considering people wanted Texas in the NC, which I was one of them. As a fan I'm hoping we can return the favor to USC this season, only time will tell, but I like their chances. With that, all the "experts" might stop questioning us, but really, who cares, OSU will always have haters, as everyone can see from the examples from our intelligently put together posts in this thread.

Where in there do you say that you don't go to Xavier?

So if you don't go to Xavier, I guess that means you prefer to wear one color in the fall and another in the spring. Why take pride in one university when you can win all year round?

[Strange Brew]

I'm tired of talking about OSU on this board to I'll try to change the subject to another whipping boy (with good reason) of college football ........I went to X and I love Notre Dame football.:D

[PMI]

I'm tired of talking about OSU on this board to I'll try to change the subject to another whipping boy (with good reason) of college football ........I went to X and I love Notre Dame football.:D

My other most hated football school. I'm just going to close the door on this thread...

[Tardy Turtle]

But I think you'll admit that I'm a pretty reasonable fan. Oh, and blow it out your ass.

It's true... PPF is very reasonable. I can't say the same for a certain gentleman who use to hold a certain golf outing. It's far more entertaining to watch OSU lose when he's around.