Moved--Oh God, dayton

[kyxu]

UD down by 19, 46-27, at Richmond at halftime. They're in some serious trouble. Roberts has three points. Get the kid some freakin' chicken soup or something.

SLU over LaSalle earlier today.
Calathes of SJU hits three to beat Temple.
URI up 15 at half on SBU.
GW getting clobbered at half by Duquesne.
Fordham winning by 2 at Charlotte at halftime.

Whoa... Dayton down by 19 at the half to Richmond - 46-27. Richmond is shooting 61.5% for the half. It will be interesting to see if there is any fire in UD in the second half.

[Snipe]

I feel bad for Dayton. This is like watching a train wreck.

[PM Thor]

Not me. I live for train wrecks.

It simply shows how one dimensional they were. Sure, X would be in trouble if we lost 2 starters and another to illness, but I have confidence that X is deeper and could respond as such.

Seriously, look back at what happened when Thornton went down. X completely revamped our team to respond. Now sure, I understand that dayton has lost more without a doubt, but Gregory has no idea, no clue, no effort in trying to alleviate what is happening. He keeps running the same kind of offenses, same defenses, no adjustments that would at least address the situation.

Rely on a few players, and you get exposed for what you are.

[XU Fan]

I'm loving this too. They're down by 23 right now (55-32). Tough break with the injuries, but you can't just go right to suck mode if your team has any talent. They have a long way to go. It is going to be hard for them to win many games.

[Pete Delkus]

creeping back...down 13, 6:20 left

[PM Thor]

dayton next week?

St. Louis (who just beat LaSalle)

And at Rhode Island.

Honestly, I don't think they will win either. SLU is a middling team, and dayton is horrible right now.

Of course, this is dependent on where Roberts is health wise.

[Stonebreaker]

I think their fans went into respiratory failure.

[XU Fan]

dayton next week?

St. Louis (who just beat LaSalle)

And at Rhode Island.

Honestly, I don't think they will win either. SLU is a middling team, and dayton is horrible right now.

Of course, this is dependent on where Roberts is health wise.

Roberts being healthy matters, but I don't know how much it matters. He knocked down 20 tonight, yet they were blown out. They don't have much else. They have no depth, and that means it will be very hard to win any game. They'll surely win some of them, but it isn't going to be easy. Roberts is going to be needed at all times, so I don't know how much rest he's going to get to be healthy. Bad situation for Dayton. I don't mind though.

[PM Thor]

Thing is, even when Little and Wright come back, they will not be in game shape whatsoever. So say the players are out 4-6 weeks, add maybe another week or 2 for them to get up to 100% with running the floor and stamina.

dayton is some serious trouble.

HA HA HA

[Fred Garvin]

i could go for some bacon cheese fries.

[Snipe]

Not me. I live for train wrecks.

It simply shows how one dimensional they were. Sure, X would be in trouble if we lost 2 starters and another to illness, but I have confidence that X is deeper and could respond as such.

Seriously, look back at what happened when Thornton went down. X completely revamped our team to respond. Now sure, I understand that dayton has lost more without a doubt, but Gregory has no idea, no clue, no effort in trying to alleviate what is happening. He keeps running the same kind of offenses, same defenses, no adjustments that would at least address the situation.

Rely on a few players, and you get exposed for what you are.

We lose Duncan and Brown and we would be in trouble. Hell, just without Duncan for a game (ASU) we got blown out. And the next game we didn't have Duncan at full strength and we had our only loss at home. Take away Duncan and Brown and it wouldn't be so funny.

And its not fun or funny, at least to me. I can't say it isn't fun for you because you get to make that call. I wouldn't wish that on anyone and I am not enjoying it.

Two types of injuries in my book. If Brian Roberts got sick with the flu and was out just one game, and that game was us? That is the type of injury/circumstance I find kind of fun. Like if UMass had to suspend Lowe tomorrow. I wouldn't regret it. What has happened to Dayton is a tragedy. I think it is bad karma to rejoice in it.

Fred Garvin even rejoiced during the Kenyon Crumble. You couldn't find a happier man on earth when Kenyon went down. He still ranks it as one of the greatest moments in Xavier history, and Xavier wasn't even playing in the game. Bad karma.

[PM Thor]

Snipe, let us look at what you just said. Yes, X got blown out by ASU, who is a (nearly Top 25 team, bad loss tonight at home) vs dayton losing @ Richmond. Badly. The 2 losses aren't comparable really. Richmond is in no way in the league of ASU, and the time the injury for X happened also was bad, early in the season. This is mid season, backups should be ready to step up.

We lose Duncan and Brown? Ok, then that means we start CJ and BJ and run with Love in there for the most part. While there might be a dropoff, it is in no way anywhere near as bad as it is for dayton. Their backups simply can't even come close to their top 3 players. X? We can lose 2 and still be ok, at least statistically. 3? Yeah, that might be a problem, but there is the difference, Xavier doesn't rely on any single player, or a couple of players, anywhere as much as dayton.

Take out the "injury" thing.

What would happen if Roberts and Little both got 3 fouls early in the first half? You think they could adjust to that? I highly doubt it, whereas I believe X, being as deep as we are, would be OK with it.

dayton doesn't have that option.

I know you are a closet dayton fan. It's ok. I forgive you for your indiscretion.

[The Artist]

I hoped the Richmond students rushed the court after the victory.

[Snipe]

They lost their two best athletes and their point guard was sick. So maybe I should have said take out Brown and Duncan and then make Lavender inoperable.

Dayton does not have the quality of depth that we have, and it has hurt them a great deal. It would hurt us a great deal too. We might be able to beat Richmond but we would be a shell of the team we once were. We can't afford to lose players. Imagine Lavender and Burrell gone.

I hope we never get to find out if one of us is right.

[Fred Garvin]

I know a namby-pamby who wanted to discontinue the Shootout cause we got roughed up some. This thinking is about as stupid as a thread titled "Disaster Porn."

[Snipe]

I hoped the Richmond students rushed the court after the victory.

Richmond doesn't blow out anyone. I bet some of their fans are happy that they won, but still pity how pathetic Dayton is right now.

[XU Fan]

Dayton does not have the quality of depth that we have, and it has hurt them a great deal.

You are correct of course, but you stated it very mildly. They have no depth. Consider that Jimmy Binnie starts for them. That is all you need to know about their "depth." Apply the Jimmy Binnie Test (http://www.xavierhoops.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1058) to all the teams in the A10 if you want to evaluate depth.

[waggy]

Sure, X could respond a little or maybe even a lot better than Dayton can given similiar situations because X does have a better bench. But X has the better program, and still X would lose a bunch of games too, and would struggle to make the tournament. Pitts a good example, they have stayed very strong considering their injuries, but they aren't as good as they were, and it's noticable. I don't understand taking pleasure in results clearly effected by injuries, and neither will anyone on the outside looking in at the X fan base.

[PM Thor]

Add to that Huelsman. In the last 2 games he was horrible. Vs Richmond? 15 minutes, no line except 4 fouls. Vs. X? 22 minutes, 4 reb, 6 points.

How about Warren? Vs Richmond, 29 minutes, 5 reb, 11 points. Vs X? 22 minutes, 3 reb, 4 points.

Way to step up when the team needs ya guys. Ha.

[beatuc]

Fred Garvin even rejoiced during the Kenyon Crumble. You couldn't find a happier man on earth when Kenyon went down. He still ranks it as one of the greatest moments in Xavier history, and Xavier wasn't even playing in the game. Bad karma.

There is no way Fred Garvin was happier than I was when Martin went down. Karma was Martin going down because he was a Thuggins Punk.

As for Dayton looking at the line, who played center? Jimmie Binne? Huelsman didn't even play fifteen minutes. Gregory sucks and will continue to ruin Dayton.

[XU 87]

They lost their two best athletes and their point guard was sick.


You should have written, "They lost the only two athletes they have besides Roberts." UD sucks because beside Roberts and Wright and to some extent Little, the rest of the players are TERRIBLE. Binnie, Warren, Huelsman, Sandorov, Searcy, et al. are simply awful.

[Masterofreality]

There is no way Fred Garvin was happier than I was when Martin went down. Karma was Martin going down because he was a Thuggins Punk.

As for Dayton looking at the line, who played center? Jimmie Binne? Huelsman didn't even play fifteen minutes. Gregory sucks and will continue to ruin Dayton.

With all due apologies, NO ONE on the face of the earth, in the Milky Way, or the entire Firmament was more elated than I when Thuggins' Sham Machine went down to the mediocre Billikens after the injury to KMart. I take no joy in the injury, however, I subscribe to the theory that bad things happen to bad people and that was a bad karma moment to the Coiffed One. The only unfortunate thing is that it gives Beelzebob an excuse to propogate the falsehood that UC would have won a National Championship that year. Uh, no. If you were so damn good, you should have at least beaten a below .500 St. Louis team in the Convict USA tournament, even without K.

As to Brian Gregory, u dump should recognize that coaching continuity is the key to consistency. As such, Brian Gregory should be kept there for a long, long, long time. Do the manly thing, dump. Save Brian Gregory!

[NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!]

They seem to think they will only drop 2 places in the national polls. The Richmond thumping seals their fate IMO. My guess is they will out 26.

[Fred Garvin]

u[/COLOR] dump should recognize that coaching continuity is the key to consistency. As such, Brian Gregory should be kept there for a long, long, long time. Do the manly thing, dump. Save Brian Gregory!

The same reason Charlotte should retain Bobby Lutz. You're the one who might want to look into consistency.

[joebba]

UD is out of the top 25 for sure.

As Dave Attell said about Dayton "Know what's a fun thing to do there? Pack up and get the f*&$ out, that's what."

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