Sean Swipes Archie From OSU....

[Nigel Tufnel]

I have no idea where this thread belongs....still getting used to the transition. All apologizes if this is in the wrong place. Please move it if need be. I'm glad to see XU isn't going to be the only program affected by Sean leaving....with Archie, Book and Whitford on staff...well, that's a pretty impressive staff....now its time for Mack to develop his....let's get it done Mack!!

http://arizona.rivals.com/

[GuyFawkes38]

I'm shocked. But not too shocked. Archie is supposed to be an amazing assistant coach. Family connection or not, I'm sure Miller would have picked Archie to be on his staff.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Wow....impressive...that was some quick thread movement. lol

[GuyFawkes38]

The AZ board isn't thrilled with this decision.

I don't know if it really makes sense. I was thinking Miller would hire a west coast assistant familiar with the recruiting grounds.

[DC Muskie]

Ha! They are already pissed at him. I wonder how that compares being asked about the zone defense.

[Xman95]

Isn't Archie supposed to be a pretty darn good recruiter? Of course, his connections would be from this side of the country. Maybe there's a reason he brought him in (other than the brother thing). Perhaps he didn't go get a west coast guy because there's going to be another spot open and that will go to someone like Reggie Geary. And maybe that spot being open also left a void in Midwest/East recruiting, thus the move for Archie. Could Book be having second thoughts?

(How's that for the conspiracy/rumor mill?)

[SixFig]

Future reps to XMan95 for getting my hopes up for Book to have a sequel...and no we're not starting book puns again.

[utahmuskie]

Bad move by AZ, should have kept Geary and his west coast connections. Miller's staff is pretty underwhelming, 0 west coast connections & not a ton of experience between Whitford, Book & Archie.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/288685.php

[AviatorX]

Bad move by AZ, should have kept Geary and his west coast connections. Miller's staff is pretty underwhelming, 0 west coast connections & not a ton of experience between Whitford, Book & Archie.

http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/fromcomments/288685.php

Sorry, but that's an incredible staff, you have to admit that. You think anyone wearing an Arizona polo shirt won't be able to recruit west of the Mississippi?

[luckymiller]

BYythe way Archie, recruited at ASU he has ties

[ZONACAT]

Archie Miller was the lead recruiter for this guy...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ecgfb5.jpg

[utahmuskie]

he was there for one year, who did he recruit? No ONE

[utahmuskie]

ZONACAT: Get your facts straight, Scott Pera not Archie (during his 1 year) landed Harden..

Scott Pera is all but a certainty to replace Miller on the Sun Devil staff. Pera is an accomplished high school coach who led Artesia (Lakewood, Calif.) to a state title in the 2005-06 season. His arrival last spring in Tempe was key in landing his former Artesia standout and McDonald’s All-American James Harden at ASU, as well as Derek Glasser.

[ZONACAT]

ZONACAT: Get your facts straight, Scott Pera not Archie (during his 1 year) landed Harden..

Scott Pera is all but a certainty to replace Miller on the Sun Devil staff. Pera is an accomplished high school coach who led Artesia (Lakewood, Calif.) to a state title in the 2005-06 season. His arrival last spring in Tempe was key in landing his former Artesia standout and McDonald’s All-American James Harden at ASU, as well as Derek Glasser.

Archie helped set up that arrangement. Also was the lead recruiter on McMillan.

Pera joined ASU in 2006 as the operations director in one of those package deals similar to the one Self did for Chalmers. Archie was the lead recruiter on Harden and Pera, it wasn't until he left for OSU was Pera promoted.

[GuyFawkes38]

Arizona fans have a lot of reasons to be pumped for their team's future. I don't think Archie is one of them.

I'm not really sure what role Archie played at ASU. But as for OSU, it's silly to give him much credit for Matta's incredible recruiting run.

[Professor X]

Sorry, but that's an incredible staff, you have to admit that. You think anyone wearing an Arizona polo shirt won't be able to recruit west of the Mississippi?

Aviator, what if they are wearing some other type of Arizona apparel? Or does it have to be a polo? Does this tactic work even if you don't have dad arms or are they a requirement?

[AZWildcat]

Only time will tell if it was a "bad move" or not. But as AviatorX was already trying to point out, the Arizona name sells itself all over the country at this point.

Console yourself with whatever you want I guess. But it's been a little more than a week, and already Miller/Book have secured commitments from Solomon Hill and Kyryl Natyazhko. With visits from Jarrid Famous and possibly Lance Stephenson coming this weekend. That's hardly "underwhelming"

[gladdenguy]

Miller will leave you as well, because he'd much rather be back east and because he is a conceited prick.
I'm gonna be laughing my ass off when he does.

[powerofX]

Only time will tell if it was a "bad move" or not. But as AviatorX was already trying to point out, the Arizona name sells itself all over the country at this point.

Console yourself with whatever you want I guess. But it's been a little more than a week, and already Miller/Book have secured commitments from Solomon Hill and Kyryl Natyazhko. With visits from Jarrid Famous and possibly Lance Stephenson coming this weekend. That's hardly "underwhelming"

Why are you still visiting this board? You are big bad Arizona...hurray! You have about 30k undergrads..we have about 3k. I'm proud of what we do, at the level we do it, for the size (donor $$$) that we are...and the fact that we graduate our players. Can you please just retreat to the desert now?

[xuirish]

Shouldn't this be on the Arizona board?

[DC Muskie]

First of all, that's a great staff.

Second of all, I could care less that Arizona has a great staff.

[pizza delivery]

Only time will tell if it was a "bad move" or not. But as AviatorX was already trying to point out, the Arizona name sells itself all over the country at this point.

Console yourself with whatever you want I guess. But it's been a little more than a week, and already Miller/Book have secured commitments from Solomon Hill and Kyryl Natyazhko. With visits from Jarrid Famous and possibly Lance Stephenson coming this weekend. That's hardly "underwhelming"

You realize 2 of those 4 were in line to join a crowded roster at XU right?

So, I wouldn't necessarily say the Az name sells itself. Miller SAVED your ass.

Not to mention the only reason Hill recommitted was Miller, he even said so.

So again, Miller saved your floundering ass.

AZ's been good, but now isn't the time to be thumping your chest anywhere. Especially here.

BYE!

[vee4xu]

All Sean has to do now is get his father's ass on the bench and they can have the whole fam damily on the AU dole.

[AviatorX]

Only time will tell if it was a "bad move" or not. But as AviatorX was already trying to point out, the Arizona name sells itself all over the country at this point.

Console yourself with whatever you want I guess. But it's been a little more than a week, and already Miller/Book have secured commitments from Solomon Hill and Kyryl Natyazhko. With visits from Jarrid Famous and possibly Lance Stephenson coming this weekend. That's hardly "underwhelming"

I don't think I was "trying to point out" anything. I made my point clear. For West coast guys, it's pretty much UA or UCLA as far as power basketball schools, with Gonzaga, Washington, and USC pulling in the occasional All American. Arizona fans think their name carries way more than it actually does on the right coast and Midwest, if you ask me.

[vee4xu]

Miller will leave you as well, because he'd much rather be back east and because he is a conceited prick.
I'm gonna be laughing my ass off when he does.

Whoa now g-man. Whoa. No sense cursing the dead. Though I do agree that you are right about him being a prick.

[GuyFawkes38]

I don't think I was "trying to point out" anything. I made my point clear. For West coast guys, it's pretty much UA or UCLA as far as power basketball schools, with Gonzaga, Washington, and USC pulling in the occasional All American. Arizona fans think their name carries way more than it actually does on the right coast and Midwest, if you ask me.

I think this is about right.

Even for schools like UCLA, recruiting is a local game. I'm too lazy to look at the facts, but I'd imagine the fast majority of UA recruits over the years are from the west.

[DC Muskie]

Even for schools like UCLA, recruiting is a local game. I'm too lazy to look at the facts, but I'd imagine the fast majority of UA recruits over the years are from the west.

Miller is already lining up Tharpe, the PG that we were recruiting.

I say this because Tharpe is from New Hampshire.

Now looking at my map here...yes, yes I see that New Hampshire is in the eastern time zone.

I'm telling you guys, UA is not going to have to battle UCLA for LA talent. They landed a kid from Florida who came from clear across the world. They are working on east coast kids, and I think they will schedule east coast non conference games.

Sean walked into a nice little gig for himself. Xavier once again has made it harder on ourselves. But when we continue to win, it will be much sweeter.

[XUglow]

Miller leaving reminds me of Steve Martin leaving in one his movies.

I am leaving Xavier to go to go to Arizona, and all I want is for Xavier to be good. Oh, and I want this assistant coach. That is all I want... this assistant coach and for Xavier to be good. And I want this recruit. That is all I want... this recruit, this assistant coach, and for Xavier to be good. And I want this recruit too. That is all I want... this recruit and this recruit and this assistant coach and for Xavier to be good. And I also want...

[Masterofreality]

The Glow Avatar bank just gets "Phatter" and "Phatter".

Who is the latest lady, Sir Glow? I'm dizzy with confusion amongst Miss Muskie, the Dane, Meghan ahh, ohh, I forget......

[XUglow]

MOR, I really don't know her. Meghan's main photographer sent it to me. He suggested that we use this gal for our next campaign. I said, "I don't know what our next campaign will be." To which he said, "Does it matter?" Dude has a point. She's from Florida, but lives in LA now. That's all I know about her. That and the fact that these little avatars don't do some gals justice.

http://www.extremeglow.com/Merchant4/graphics/00000001/avi56.jpg

[ZONACAT]

MOR, I really don't know her. Meghan's main photographer sent it to me. He suggested that we use this gal for our next campaign. I said, "I don't know what our next campaign will be." To which he said, "Does it matter?" Dude has a point. She's from Florida, but lives in LA now. That's all I know about her. That and the fact that these little avatars don't do some gals justice.

http://www.extremeglow.com/Merchant4/graphics/00000001/avi56.jpg

He certainly knows his photoshop.

[Xman95]

Only time will tell if it was a "bad move" or not. But as AviatorX was already trying to point out, the Arizona name sells itself all over the country at this point.

Console yourself with whatever you want I guess. But it's been a little more than a week, and already Miller/Book have secured commitments from Solomon Hill and Kyryl Natyazhko. With visits from Jarrid Famous and possibly Lance Stephenson coming this weekend. That's hardly "underwhelming"

I have already responded to the "Arizona sells itself" claim in another thread. Not sure if you were the moron who posted that one as well. Anyway, if the Arizona name sells itself as you claim, why was the talent on your team so underwhelming? And why did you have to struggle to find a coach? Shouldn't coaches have been lining up to take that job?

Ultimately you had to pay an assload of cash to lure Miller to the desert. That, in turn, lured talent. It had nothing to do with the Arizona name. That hasn't meant a damn thing in years.

[ZONACAT]

I have already responded to the "Arizona sells itself" claim in another thread. Not sure if you were the moron who posted that one as well. Anyway, if the Arizona name sells itself as you claim, why was the talent on your team so underwhelming? And why did you have to struggle to find a coach? Shouldn't coaches have been lining up to take that job?

Ultimately you had to pay an assload of cash to lure Miller to the desert. That, in turn, lured talent. It had nothing to do with the Arizona name. That hasn't meant a damn thing in years.

Serious? Xavier fans of all people should know how coaching upheaval destroys recruiting. Our classes were amazing, it's either they left early for the NBA/Europe or didn't come because Lute retired. Been in transition for two years.

Using rivals...

2007:

Bayless - Five Star
Horne - Five Star

2008:

Brandon Jennings - Five Star. Went to Europe
Emmanuel Negedu - Four Star. Released out of LOI after Lute retired.
Jeff Withey - Four Star. Transferred to Kansas after Lute retired.

2009:

Abdul Gaddy - Five Star. De committed after Lute retired.
Greg Smith - Four Star. De committed because of Lute uncertainty.
Mike Moser - Four Star. De committed after Lute retired.
Sol Hill - Four Star. De committed after Lute retired. Re-committed to Sean Miller.

That's four five star recruits and five four star recruits.

[AviatorX]

Serious? Xavier fans of all people should know how coaching upheaval destroys recruiting. Our classes were amazing, it's either they left early for the NBA/Europe or didn't come because Lute retired. Been in transition for two years.

Using rivals...

2007:

Bayless - Five Star
Horne - Five Star

2008:

Brandon Jennings - Five Star. Went to Europe
Emmanuel Negedu - Four Star. Released out of LOI after Lute retired.
Jeff Withey - Four Star. Transferred to Kansas after Lute retired.

2009:

Abdul Gaddy - Five Star. De committed after Lute retired.
Greg Smith - Four Star. De committed because of Lute uncertainty.
Mike Moser - Four Star. De committed after Lute retired.
Sol Hill - Four Star. De committed after Lute retired. Re-committed to Sean Miller.

That's four five star recruits and five four star recruits.


Sorry, but I don't think we should know that. The beat rolls on when we change coaches, and I expect a similar situation to occur with Chris Mack.

[Xman95]

Serious? Xavier fans of all people should know how coaching upheaval destroys recruiting. Our classes were amazing, it's either they left early for the NBA/Europe or didn't come because Lute retired. Been in transition for two years.

Using rivals...

2007:

Bayless - Five Star
Horne - Five Star

2008:

Brandon Jennings - Five Star. Went to Europe
Emmanuel Negedu - Four Star. Released out of LOI after Lute retired.
Jeff Withey - Four Star. Transferred to Kansas after Lute retired.

2009:

Abdul Gaddy - Five Star. De committed after Lute retired.
Greg Smith - Four Star. De committed because of Lute uncertainty.
Mike Moser - Four Star. De committed after Lute retired.
Sol Hill - Four Star. De committed after Lute retired. Re-committed to Sean Miller.

That's four five star recruits and five four star recruits.

Wow, they grow 'em smart out in the desert.:) Thanks for strengthening my point. Sure seems that it was the coach that those players were sold on, not Arizona. If it was the Arizona name selling itself, those players would have stayed regardless of the coach.

Thanks again!

[ZONACAT]

Sorry, but I don't think we should know that. The beat rolls on when we change coaches, and I expect a similar situation to occur with Chris Mack.

I feel for you guys, but your two 10 commits have already bailed and Parrom isn't likely to stay. That was what I was referring to. Arizona fans have been there the last two years and it sucked.

The beat is already rolling for Arizona as having a new permanent coach has once again solidified the still strong Arizona brand.

[Xman95]

I feel for you guys, but your two 10 commits have already bailed and Parrom isn't likely to stay. That was what I was referring to. Arizona fans have been there the last two years and it sucked.

The beat is already rolling for Arizona as having a new permanent coach has once again solidified the still strong Arizona brand.

You just better hope Pitt doesn't throw more money at him if Dixon is gone in a couple years.

[ZONACAT]

Wow, they grow 'em smart out in the desert. Thanks for strengthening my point. Sure seems that it was the coach that those players were sold on, not Arizona. If it was the Arizona name selling itself, those players would have stayed regardless of the coach.

Thanks again!

Oh c'mon. Players go to school for the coaches. No doubt that Lute was behind what made the Arizona brand strong. UCLA wasn't the same without Wooden. UNC wasn't the same without Dean Smith. Duke will experience what Arizona just went though, same with UCONN. Have to remake that brand with another strong coach to keep continued success. Or else the program dies off like Depaul, Arkansas , NC State , Houston and St. John's etc. etc.

Look at how fast Arizona recruiting has recovered in ten days. Almost a miracle.

[ZONACAT]

You just better hope Pitt doesn't throw more money at him if Dixon is gone in a couple years.

Fair enough. Brian Snow at Xavier Rivals said that will never happen but we'll see. But I wish X fans well. I think Mack, an X alum, was a great hire.

[Xman95]

Oh c'mon. Players go to school for the coaches. No doubt that Lute was behind what made the Arizona brand strong. UCLA wasn't the same without Wooden. UNC wasn't the same without Dean Smith. Duke will experience what Arizona just went though, same with UCONN. Have to remake that brand with another strong coach to keep continued success. Or else the program dies off like Depaul, Arkansas , NC State , Houston and St. John's etc. etc.

Look at how fast Arizona recruiting has recovered in ten days. Almost a miracle.

Recruiting recovered for two reasons and neither is the name "Arizona" on the uniform. The first reason is Sean Miller. Kyryl didn't even consider 'zona until Sean went there. There are other players looking at the program because Sean had already been in on them on behalf of Xavier. The second key factor is playing time. Guys like Kyryl can go there and know they'll get playing time from the minute they step on campus.

Trust me, if Miller took over any other program that was currently lacking talent/depth, Kyryl would be at that school.

If I were a 'zona fan, I would be thrilled too. Ultimately, you're getting talented players into the program. But the claim that the Arizona name sells itself is ridiculous. That's my point.

[Xman95]

Fair enough. Brian Snow at Xavier Rivals said that will never happen but we'll see. But I wish X fans well. I think Mack, an X alum, was a great hire.

Hey, Sean said he wasn't leaving Xavier this year...yet our recruits seem to be heading to Arizona. Why? Oh, because Sean left Xavier this year.

Trust me, if Pitt (or another Big East or ACC school) came to Miller in about three years and offered a pay increase along the lines of what Arizona just offered, Sean will be looking for a new home in a minute. Then he would give some BS line trying to make it about basketball instead of simply saying that it's a great financial opportunity that also allows him to go back east.

[AviatorX]

I feel for you guys, but your two 10 commits have already bailed and Parrom isn't likely to stay. That was what I was referring to. Arizona fans have been there the last two years and it sucked.

The beat is already rolling for Arizona as having a new permanent coach has once again solidified the still strong Arizona brand.

Yeah but even if we lose all three of those guys, which still isn't even close to being completely true, we still have somewhat of a psuedo freshman class this year with 2 guys that were redshirted and plenty of time to look at remaining 2010 prospects.

Even in the worst case, it won't be nearly as bad as the "recruiting" that took place under the provisional regimes in Wildcat land. You have to see the logic there, right?

[ZONACAT]

Recruiting recovered for two reasons and neither is the name "Arizona" on the uniform. The first reason is Sean Miller. Kyryl didn't even consider 'zona until Sean went there. There are other players looking at the program because Sean had already been in on them on behalf of Xavier. The second key factor is playing time. Guys like Kyryl can go there and know they'll get playing time from the minute they step on campus.

Trust me, if Miller took over any other program that was currently lacking talent/depth, Kyryl would be at that school.

If I were a 'zona fan, I would be thrilled too. Ultimately, you're getting talented players into the program. But the claim that the Arizona name sells itself is ridiculous. That's my point.

Agreed with Kyryl and Famous.

But not so much with Sol Hill. The kid bleeds red and blue and purposely didn't sign his LOI early to wait on Arizona. Grew up wanting to play for Arizona and now he gets his wish.

[ZONACAT]

Yeah but even if we lose all three of those guys, which still isn't even close to being completely true, we still have somewhat of a psuedo freshman class this year with 2 guys that were redshirted and plenty of time to look at remaining 2010 prospects.

Even in the worst case, it won't be nearly as bad as the "recruiting" that took place under the provisional regimes in Wildcat land. You have to see the logic there, right?

Of course, there is no doubt that Xavier is on better ground right now.Thankfully ya'll didn't have to go through three years of limbo which makes your transition about 1000x smoother.

The transition from Lute to a new coach was hilariously botched. If I wasn't an Arizona alum, I'd be laughing at it also.

[Xman95]

Agreed with Kyryl and Famous.

But not so much with Sol Hill. The kid bleeds red and blue and purposely didn't sign his LOI early to wait on Arizona. Grew up wanting to play for Arizona and now he gets his wish.

Agree 100% with that.

By the way, how on earth does your AD keep his job?!? (And don't even think of taking Bobinski from us!)

[ZONACAT]

Agree 100% with that.

By the way, how on earth does your AD keep his job?!? (And don't even think of taking Bobinski from us!)

I have no idea. I'm praying that his contract doesn't get renewed next year. If it were up to me, he'd be gone already.

Bobo is great, Xavier should be thrilled to have him.

[AviatorX]

I have no idea. I'm praying that his contract doesn't get renewed next year. If it were up to me, he'd be gone already.

Bobo is great, Xavier should be thrilled to have him.

You from around here, you seem to have more knowledge about the XU program than most fans from AZ do, including those who dismiss us as a worthless mid major, and you referenced Brian Snow. Or you could just be checking in to see what pieces of the fall out Sean could pick up out in the desert.

[Xman95]

You from around here, you seem to have more knowledge about the XU program than most fans from AZ do, including those who dismiss us as a worthless mid major, and you referenced Brian Snow. Or you could just be checking in to see what pieces of the fall out Sean could pick up out in the desert.

While most fans of other programs only stop by here and are completely ignorant about X and, often, college basketball in general, it's refreshing to have informed "outsiders" drop in. People like fortyniner (the Charlotte fan) come to mind.

Obviously I've been going back and forth with Zona on the "Arizona name" issue, but I think it's more an issue of wording than anything else. (And perhaps fueled by the fact that it gets old seeing guys commit to Miller out there when we thought those players would be at X!) But so far it doesn't seem as if we're dealing with a Daytonesque nutjob!

[ZONACAT]

You from around here, you seem to have more knowledge about the XU program than most fans from AZ do, including those who dismiss us as a worthless mid major, and you referenced Brian Snow. Or you could just be checking in to see what pieces of the fall out Sean could pick up out in the desert.

Na, I'm from Dallas.

I follow college basketball closely though which means I have a healthy respect for the Xavier program.

Snow was on our rivals website answering questions and the East Coast/Pitt topic certainly came up. Nice guy although this forum set-up is fantastic and similar to ours.