Reason why Miller left for Arizona

[ItsMillerTime]

I have been reading this board a lot during the whole miller recruitment to Arizona and after he was hired. I understand that you guys are pissed and hurt that another coach decided to leave your program again for a Big six conference. People like Lute Olson, who stay at one spot for 23 years dont come around too often. But, i think your anger is misplaced in many ways (AS IS MY LOGIC, edited by Stoney).

Miller left Xavier to go to a Big Time college hoops program that is a NBA factory. There are only so many things he could do at Xavier. If you need proof, peep the commitment Arizona just received today from the highest unsigned big man in the 2009 class. Kyrlyl Committed to the University of Arizona WITHOUT even visiting our campus. Thats how much power the A in the front of the jersey holds. Thats why miller realized recruiting at Arizona sells itself. Miller has been recruiting Kyrlyl when he was a coach at xavier, miller also has been recruiting a few 5 stars at Xavier. The day he got hired at Arizona and a few days later Kyryl committed and a few of those 5 stars are now all ears now that Miller is the coach of Arizona (OR ANY OTHER DECENT D1 PROGRAM-edited by Stoney).

Miller realized, with his coaching talents and great recruiter in Book, he could reach a level at Arizona which he wouldnt be able to reach at Xavier. Arizona can now recruit the whole country and carries much more weight than most programs because of our NBA pedigree. I have nothing against the xavier program, i hope they do great next year and make it to the final four. I just thought your hate of miller is misplaced (IT SHOULD TRULY BE DIRECTED AT MY OWN TOOLNESS-not edited by Stoney). He did what any of you guys would do in a similar situation.

[KabeX]

Seriously - you gotta either be really bored or a UC/UD troll. Or you just an idiot. Or both.

[waggy]

Only speaking for myself, but I'm sure others here will agree.. Don't really care what your opinion of your program or ours is. Who are you?

[RebuttalMan]

You might be right. But why do you have to "boast" and brag about it. Show some class and be humble. Arizona is a big-time program. It's an elite BBall school. It's a premier job. We get it. But no-one likes a bragger. It shows bad taste. You will have your lumps too - every team does. Be humble.

[ItsMillerTime]

look dude im not a UC troll. Im a University of Arizona alumni, class of 2006. But the facts are facts kid. As the coach of Arizona, miller can reach a wider audience and recruit higher rated prospects and have the possibility to compete for a national championship year after year.

[waggy]

Calipari and Miller absolutely bent Arizona over. You overpaid. You'll see.

[gladdenguy]

i wanna punch something or break something. why did I open this thread.

[XUNYC2003]

Hey Miller Time, stop worrying about all these recruits and maybe concentrate on the potential NCAA recruiting violations for the school: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/pac10/2009-03-04-arizona-ncaa-investigation_N.htm.

[Firehose]

I have been reading this board a lot during the whole miller recruitment to Arizona and after he was hired. I understand that you guys are pissed and hurt that another coach decided to leave your program again for a Big six conference. People like Lute Olson, who stay at one spot for 23 years dont come around too often. But, i think your anger is misplaced in many ways.

Miller left Xavier to go to a Big Time college hoops program that is a NBA factory. There are only so many things he could do at Xavier. If you need proof, peep the commitment Arizona just received today from the highest unsigned big man in the 2009 class. Kyrlyl Committed to the University of Arizona WITHOUT even visiting our campus. Thats how much power the A in the front of the jersey holds. Thats why miller realized recruiting at Arizona sells itself. Miller has been recruiting Kyrlyl when he was a coach at xavier, miller also has been recruiting a few 5 stars at Xavier. The day he got hired at Arizona and a few days later Kyryl committed and a few of those 5 stars are now all ears now that Miller is the coach of Arizona.

Miller realized, with his coaching talents and great recruiter in Book, he could reach a level at Arizona which he wouldnt be able to reach at Xavier. Arizona can now recruit the whole country and carries much more weight than most programs because of our NBA pedigree. I have nothing against the xavier program, i hope they do great next year and make it to the final four. I just thought your hate of miller is misplaced. He did what any of you guys would do in a similar situation.

What you fail to appreciate is that we have our hearts torn from our chests every five or so years. We hear that a coach is dedicated to staying and making the program into something that other head coaches leave their schools for, and then he leaves, and the past two coaches have done so saying that they were not candidates for other jobs. While I'm sure that anyone of us would agree with the sentiment that going to greener pastures is to be expected, we were promised that we would be a greener pasture. Further, I believe that you are condescending to us, lauding the virtues of Arizona over "little old Xavier", and I think that while you have every right to celebrate your schools once and future success, you are in no place to tell us how to feel and would ask you to kindly leave the board.

[gladdenguy]

look dude im not a UC troll. Im a University of Arizona alumni, class of 2006. But the facts are facts kid. As the coach of Arizona, miller can reach a wider audience and recruit higher rated prospects and have the possibility to compete for a national championship year after year.

U want a cookie? for the next 2 years you'll suck. Have fun watching Xavier in the NCAA tourney. Get a life. GO UCLA and USC!!!

[ItsMillerTime]

I had you guys in my final four in my NCAA pool this year. I think Xavier is a great program but, i just got beef with you guys constantly bashing Sean Miller. Like he sold you guys out. He came across a total proffessional and high morals guy, kind of like Lute Olson. He even had an press conference to announce he is leaving Xavier. neither Cal or some other sleezeball coach would do that.

[Xman95]

Yep, Arizona sells itself. You don't really even have to recruit to get players there. So, how good have you been lately?

Did your tiny, sun-soaked mind ever think that Kyryl might go to Arizona simply because Miller was there? Why wasn't Arizona on the list before Miller took the job?

You're an idiot.

Mods, would it be a record to get a ban after two posts?!?

[gladdenguy]

Hey Miller Time, stop worrying about all these recruits and maybe concentrate on the potential NCAA recruiting violations for the school: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/pac10/2009-03-04-arizona-ncaa-investigation_N.htm.

Uh oh...we have Calhouns cheaters part II. I love it. Foff miller time.

[Nocalmuskie]

look dude im not a UC troll. Im a University of Arizona alumni, class of 2006. But the facts are facts kid. As the coach of Arizona, miller can reach a wider audience and recruit higher rated prospects and have the possibility to compete for a national championship year after year.

Kyryl came to Arizona for Miller, not for Arizona. He would probably have come to Xavier had Miller stayed. He only gave pause because Xavier is so loaded next year and he was worried about playing time.

Here's the bottom line: Kyryl will start at Arizona and will probably be among the top scorers on a team whose goal will be to make the NIT. He would have been a sub at Xavier on a team that aspires to be in the Final Four.

[ItsMillerTime]

U want a cookie? for the next 2 years you'll suck. Have fun watching Xavier in the NCAA tourney. Get a life. GO UCLA and USC!!!

By April 15th, Arizona will have the talent on the roster to make it 26 straight. Solomon Hill, rivals 26th rank prospect (a previous Arizona committ) and Famous will join Krylyl to Zona. With nic wise coming back and the upgrade in coaching, we are a lead pipe lock for 26 straight. USC just had 3 of their top guys declare for the NBA and we are about to take their top recruit solomon Hill.

[pizza delivery]

I have been reading this board a lot during the whole miller recruitment to Arizona and after he was hired. I understand that you guys are pissed and hurt that another coach decided to leave your program again for a Big six conference. People like Lute Olson, who stay at one spot for 23 years dont come around too often. But, i think your anger is misplaced in many ways.

Miller left Xavier to go to a Big Time college hoops program that is a NBA factory. There are only so many things he could do at Xavier. If you need proof, peep the commitment Arizona just received today from the highest unsigned big man in the 2009 class. Kyrlyl Committed to the University of Arizona WITHOUT even visiting our campus. Thats how much power the A in the front of the jersey holds. Thats why miller realized recruiting at Arizona sells itself. Miller has been recruiting Kyrlyl when he was a coach at xavier, miller also has been recruiting a few 5 stars at Xavier. The day he got hired at Arizona and a few days later Kyryl committed and a few of those 5 stars are now all ears now that Miller is the coach of Arizona.

Miller realized, with his coaching talents and great recruiter in Book, he could reach a level at Arizona which he wouldnt be able to reach at Xavier. Arizona can now recruit the whole country and carries much more weight than most programs because of our NBA pedigree. I have nothing against the xavier program, i hope they do great next year and make it to the final four. I just thought your hate of miller is misplaced. He did what any of you guys would do in a similar situation.

Bla bla bla bla.

Look, AZ should be keenly aware of how difficult finding a good coach is by now. Your program was teetering on destruction post Lute.

You're right about Lute Olsen, guys like him don't come around often. He made AZ the destination it is today - THROUGH LOYALTY AND COMMITMENT.

Do those words ring a bell?

Miller will be "the man who followed Lute", and that will be all. Where had Sean stayed at XU, all coaches to follow would have been "the ones that followed Miller."

Sadly, Sean realized the unique position and strength of legacy that kind of COMMITMENT rewards a coach, and he switched on a dime. Most people here feel it was a mistake.

You've got Miller to massage your ego, he believes what you say, why come here? Guilty?

You won't find your self appointed attitude going over well here, SORRY Big 6er!

[Firehose]

Maybe my verbosity can be overwhelming, but I'll simplify:

Enjoy your melanoma and get the hell off our board.

[waggy]

UA to add tuition surcharge

http://media.wildcat.arizona.edu/media/storage/paper997/news/2009/04/10/News/Ua.To.Add.Tuition.Surcharge-3706328.shtml

Like I said: BENT OVE$R

[waggy]

Arizona in financial crisis.

Arizona to lose $500 million in federal aid for working poor

"It's beyond comprehension, it's so bad"

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/fromcomments/114107.php

[waggy]

TOP SALARIES


The University of Arizona's top two academic leaders do not make it into the top 10 list of salaries currently paid at UA*:
• Sean Miller, head men's basketball coach: $2 million
• Michael Stoops, head football coach: $685,288
• William M. Crist, vice president of Health Affairs: $650,000
• Rainer Gruessner, University Medical Center surgery department head: $590,000
• Jack Copeland, UMC surgery professor: $574,999
• Steven Goldschmid, College of Medicine dean: $510,600
• Gulshank Sethi, professor of surgery: $499,000
• David S. Alberts, Regents professor, College of Medicine: $465,454
• Tim B. Hunter, department head, radiology: $462,000
• Keith Joiner, professor, College of Medicine: $440,000
• UA President Robert N. Shelton earns $420,000 annually and Provost Meredith Hay earns $350,000.
* All salaries are current as of this academic year, based on UA salary data.


CONTRACT BREAKDOWN


New University of Arizona basketball coach Sean Miller's five-year contract will pay him $2 million annually, but UA will try to extend his deal at the end of two years.
Miller also will receive a $1 million signing bonus.
He could receive up to an additional $985,000 per year if he reaches a series of incentives, including the NCAA title.
How his contract breaks down:

Salary


• Annual base salary, funded by the UA athletic department: $1.6 million
• Annual outside income (paid by NIKE and IMG): $400,000
Total per year: $2 million
• Signing bonus: $1 million
Note: If Miller remains as UA coach for seven years, he receives a one-time payment of $2.1 million

Pac-10 incentives


Miller will receive additional money if he reaches these incentives:
• Pac-10 regular season championship: $50,000
• Pac-10 Tournament championship: $50,000
Maximum payout: $100,000

NCAA incentives


Miller will receive cumulative money if UA advances in the NCAA Tournament:
• Second round: $25,000
• Sweet 16: $50,000
• Elite Eight: $$50,000
• Final Four: $175,000
• Wins NCAA title: $375,000
Maximum payout: $675,000

Regular-season wins


(not cumulative)
• 20 wins: $20,000
• 25 wins: $40,000
Maximum payout: $40,000

Final NCAA rankings


(not cumulative)
• Finishes in Top 15: $20,000
• Finishes in Top 10: $30,000
Maximum payout: $30,000

Coach of the year


(not cumulative)
• Pac-10: $20,000
• Associated Press, NABC, Naismith: $40,000
Maximum payout: $40,000

Academic Achievement


(not cumulative)
• Academic Progress Rate (multi-year) exceeds 948: $25,000
• 1,000 multiyear APR: $50,000
Maximum payout: $50,000
• Graduation Success Rate exceeds 42 percent: $25,000
• 100 percent GSR: $50,000
Maximum payout: $50,000

Other perks


• Courtesy cars: 2
• Men's basketball season tickets: 20
• Football season tickets: 8
• Softball, baseball, volleyball season passes: 4 per sport
• Country club privileges: 1
• Private jet hours annually: 30
• People to men's basketball post-season events, including tickets, hotel and air travel on UA-chartered or commercial flights: 15

Buyout clauses


• If Miller leaves for any reason prior to end of fifth season: $500,000
• Liquidated damages for early no-cause termination: 50 percent of the university funded compensations (excluding outside income) from termination date to end of contract
• UA responsible for Xavier's contracted buyout of coach: not to exceed $400,000



DAMN that's a lengthy list of dollars.

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/ss/fromtopemails/113838.php

[Sympathetic Fan]

Ahh, but the program is self supporting! :D

Let's see how self-supporting it is when the people who buy the tickets, which ISN'T 90% of the people that post on their boards, don't buy them at the outrageous prices. Then their rich boosters will have to foot the bill.

Hey if they self support then they don't need a school, right? So when it shuts down they can carry on.
Go track a plane or something AZ fan. Probably one of the tards that posts over there, man some REAL winners.

[SixFig]

Kyrlyl Committed to the University of Arizona WITHOUT even visiting our campus. Thats how much power the A in the front of the jersey holds.

I just threw up in my mouth! Power of the A? Arizona hasn't been real relevant for years. The only time in history when they were able to become truly elite was when UCLA was down druing the late 90's to mid 2000s.

And as far as Kyryl goes...consider yourselves lucky. You got a play on Xavier's dollar who now has to battle walk-ons for a starting job. You sure saved the good taxpayers of Arizona money on that one chum. Now instead of playing 10 minutes on a final four team he'll play 30 for a CBI team. If that.

Big 6 arrogance kills me.

[GuyFawkes38]

I have been reading this board a lot during the whole miller recruitment to Arizona and after he was hired. I understand that you guys are pissed and hurt that another coach decided to leave your program again for a Big six conference. People like Lute Olson, who stay at one spot for 23 years dont come around too often. But, i think your anger is misplaced in many ways.

Miller left Xavier to go to a Big Time college hoops program that is a NBA factory. There are only so many things he could do at Xavier. If you need proof, peep the commitment Arizona just received today from the highest unsigned big man in the 2009 class. Kyrlyl Committed to the University of Arizona WITHOUT even visiting our campus. Thats how much power the A in the front of the jersey holds. Thats why miller realized recruiting at Arizona sells itself. Miller has been recruiting Kyrlyl when he was a coach at xavier, miller also has been recruiting a few 5 stars at Xavier. The day he got hired at Arizona and a few days later Kyryl committed and a few of those 5 stars are now all ears now that Miller is the coach of Arizona.

Miller realized, with his coaching talents and great recruiter in Book, he could reach a level at Arizona which he wouldnt be able to reach at Xavier. Arizona can now recruit the whole country and carries much more weight than most programs because of our NBA pedigree. I have nothing against the xavier program, i hope they do great next year and make it to the final four. I just thought your hate of miller is misplaced. He did what any of you guys would do in a similar situation.

I'm hoping English isn't Millertime's first language.

I seriously just got a headache trying to read that.

[LadyMuskie]

I have been reading this board a lot during the whole miller recruitment to Arizona and after he was hired. I understand that you guys are pissed and hurt that another coach decided to leave your program again for a Big six conference. People like Lute Olson, who stay at one spot for 23 years dont come around too often. But, i think your anger is misplaced in many ways (AS IS MY LOGIC, edited by Stoney).

Miller left Xavier to go to a Big Time college hoops program that is a NBA factory. There are only so many things he could do at Xavier. If you need proof, peep the commitment Arizona just received today from the highest unsigned big man in the 2009 class. Kyrlyl Committed to the University of Arizona WITHOUT even visiting our campus. Thats how much power the A in the front of the jersey holds. Thats why miller realized recruiting at Arizona sells itself. Miller has been recruiting Kyrlyl when he was a coach at xavier, miller also has been recruiting a few 5 stars at Xavier. The day he got hired at Arizona and a few days later Kyryl committed and a few of those 5 stars are now all ears now that Miller is the coach of Arizona (OR ANY OTHER DECENT D1 PROGRAM-edited by Stoney).

Miller realized, with his coaching talents and great recruiter in Book, he could reach a level at Arizona which he wouldnt be able to reach at Xavier. Arizona can now recruit the whole country and carries much more weight than most programs because of our NBA pedigree. I have nothing against the xavier program, i hope they do great next year and make it to the final four. I just thought your hate of miller is misplaced (IT SHOULD TRULY BE DIRECTED AT MY OWN TOOLNESS-not edited by Stoney). He did what any of you guys would do in a similar situation.

Yawn.

Thanks so much for your brilliant insight into our coaching situation and the way we handle it Itsmillertime. Were you a psychology major at Desert U or do you just play one on message boards?

In any event, why don't you come back on here in five or so years when X has been to the Final Four several times and your delusional fan base has tired of Sean being so overpaid and not making it past the Elite Eight (if you even see a tournament his first couple of years). Until then, no one on this board (or maybe even anywhere) is remotely interested in what you have to say - about anything!

[Cheesehead]

Yawn.

Thanks so much for your brilliant insight into our coaching situation and the way we handle it Itsmillertime. Were you a psychology major at Desert U or do you just play one on message boards?

In any event, why don't you come back on here in five or so years when X has been to the Final Four several times and your delusional fan base has tired of Sean being so overpaid and not making it past the Elite Eight (if you even see a tournament his first couple of years). Until then, no one on this board (or maybe even anywhere) is remotely interested in what you have to say - about anything!

What she said!

[ItsMillerTime]

Way to edit my post....I hope that made you feel better. You guys are a bunch of delusional fans. A10 is not the Pac 10, neither it is any of the other 5 big conferences. in less than a week Miller has got a better recruiting class in Arizona than Xavier. Solomon Hill committed today and before signing day we should have a couple of more recruits commit. In our WORST year we make the sweet sixteen. Who are your NBA guys that come through Xavier?? David West and James Posey?? an undersized PF and a sixth man? is that tight?

[Firehose]

Why are you still here?

[GuyFawkes38]

Way to edit my post....I hope that made you feel better. You guys are a bunch of delusional fans. A10 is not the Pac 10, neither it is any of the other 5 big conferences. in less than a week Miller has got a better recruiting class in Arizona than Xavier. Solomon Hill committed today and before signing day we should have a couple of more recruits commit. In our WORST year we make the sweet sixteen. Who are your NBA guys that come through Xavier?? David West and James Posey?? an undersized PF and a sixth man? is that tight?

It would actually be fun if some intelligent people from Arizona wrote on XH.

Ugghhhh. That's simply painful to read.

Really, I'm not trying to be snobish. But come on.

[Smails]

Way to edit my post....I hope that made you feel better. You guys are a bunch of delusional fans. A10 is not the Pac 10, neither it is any of the other 5 big conferences. in less than a week Miller has got a better recruiting class in Arizona than Xavier. Solomon Hill committed today and before signing day we should have a couple of more recruits commit. In our WORST year we make the sweet sixteen. Who are your NBA guys that come through Xavier?? David West and James Posey?? an undersized PF and a sixth man? is that tight?

Well that sixth man has two NBA rings and the little undersized PF was the NCAA player of the year and has gone to back to back All-Star games. Do you realize that you can actually be critically objective without sounding like a douchebag? Xavier's NBA pedigree is a little bit longer than the two guys you just metioned. Look it up.

[XU05and07]

It would actually be fun if some intelligent people from Arizona wrote on XH.

Ugghhhh. That's simply painful to read.

Really, I'm not trying to be snobish. But come on.

Not every school has posters like Stromile

[Kahns Krazy]

Wow. That is an impressive list of incentives and bonuses.

Over 7 years, lets say Miller can get 1 national championship, 3 conference championships/tourney champs, 1 COY, and 2 sweet 16's. Including the signing and ending bonus, plus some 20+ win seasons, will put him over $18 million in 7 years before perks.

[Kahns Krazy]

Perks:

• Courtesy cars: 2 $12k/yr
• Men's basketball season tickets: 20 $20k/yr
• Football season tickets: 8 $4k/yr
• Softball, baseball, volleyball season passes: 4 per sport Really?
• Country club privileges: 1 could vary widely by club. ~25k/yr?
• Private jet hours annually: 30 >$150k/yr
• People to men's basketball post-season events, including tickets, hotel and air travel on UA-chartered or commercial flights: 15 Assuming that's a total of 15 per year, $15k. If it's 15 per game...

I would like a perk package over $225k a year.

[Cheesehead]

Way to edit my post....I hope that made you feel better. You guys are a bunch of delusional fans. A10 is not the Pac 10, neither it is any of the other 5 big conferences. in less than a week Miller has got a better recruiting class in Arizona than Xavier. Solomon Hill committed today and before signing day we should have a couple of more recruits commit. In our WORST year we make the sweet sixteen. Who are your NBA guys that come through Xavier?? David West and James Posey?? an undersized PF and a sixth man? is that tight?

First off, I'll take that bet about making the Sweet 16. Secondly, Posey is one of the best bench players around and he has 2 NBA Championship rings. How many does Arenas have or Bibby or Jefferson or Stoudamire? West is a 2-time All-Star and only getting better and better. I don't think the A-10 is the Pac 10 but it ain't D-III ball either. I just ask that Sean put X on the big, bad Wildcats' schedule. Let see what happens.

[Sympathetic Fan]

A little off on the value of the basketball tickets. Because of the Priority seating donation, not to mention the scholarship row seats 4,000-25,000 per.

Donations start at $5000 and 10,000.

A $25,000* charitable gift is required to qualify for middle level (rows 17-29) priority seating ("E" areas behind the basket and corners). As priority seats become available in other areas (A, B, C, D areas), the charitable gift required for these seats will vary. *Gift amounts are subject to change based on ticket availability.

PLUS The actual price of the tickets.

Can't imagine his seats will be in the upper deck. So let's say 250,000 in lost priority seat donations and tickets, on the conservative side?
To think their Hall of Fame coach said it would take more than the 1.4 million TOTAL package he got in his last full year to get a Top level coach. (Think he was speaking of a Calipari, Izzo etc)

[ItsMillerTime]

I was talking about this year us making the sweet sixteen, not next year. If we make the tourney the next three years, we would have the longest NCAA tourney streak in the history of the NCAA. Miller is not going to let that 25 straight streak die without a fight. Hill and Kyryl are two bonafide diaper dandies and immediate starters on our team next year. read their ESPN and rivals scouting report. Whats going to happen to Xavier after next year? your recruiting class of 2009 looks bad now that miller left and 2010 could be brutal. Then what? you guys keep replacing good coaches with more good coaches, il give you that. Your AD is so much better than ours. But what if Chris Mack isnt that tight, what if fails? what then?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was talking about this year us making the sweet sixteen, not next year. If we make the tourney the next three years, we would have the longest NCAA tourney streak in the history of the NCAA. Miller is not going to let that 25 straight streak die without a fight. Hill and Kyryl are two bonafide diaper dandies and immediate starters on our team next year. read their ESPN and rivals scouting report. Whats going to happen to Xavier after next year? your recruiting class of 2009 looks bad now that miller left and 2010 could be brutal. Then what? you guys keep replacing good coaches with more good coaches, il give you that. Your AD is so much better than ours. But what if Chris Mack isnt that tight, what if fails? what then?

What if Sean Miller fails? What if Hill and Kyryl have rough freshman seasons and Arizona misses out on the NCAA tournament. The streak dies. Fans are upset. Miller feels pressure. He starts viloating recruiting rules to get the extra edge. Miller and Arizona get hit hard by the NCAA. Year ban from the tournament. Miller resigns. Recruits decommit. Arizona turns into the next IU but Arizona has less history so no one really cares about building it back up. No coach wants the job. No player wants to go there. Arizona decides to get rid of the basketball program. You are begging to jump on our bandwagon since you have no team. WHAT IF? WHAT THEN?

[Masterofreality]

I was talking about this year us making the sweet sixteen, not next year. If we make the tourney the next three years, we would have the longest NCAA tourney streak in the history of the NCAA. Miller is not going to let that 25 straight streak die without a fight. Hill and Kyryl are two bonafide diaper dandies and immediate starters on our team next year. read their ESPN and rivals scouting report. Whats going to happen to Xavier after next year? your recruiting class of 2009 looks bad now that miller left and 2010 could be brutal. Then what? you guys keep replacing good coaches with more good coaches, il give you that. Your AD is so much better than ours. But what if Chris Mack isnt that tight, what if fails? what then?

What if, what if!!!???

What if your new coach can't figure out an end-game strategy other than just having a guy go one on one?

What if your new coach can't ever seem to run a double screen for a dead-eye shooter?

What if your new coach can never change his defense although the other team is dribble penetrating like there's no one there?

What if your "diaper dandies" play like freshmen usually do?

What if your school has recruiting violations to deal with?

What if Chris Mack keeps all the recruits he's be working with in a green verdant area rather them going to a parched wasteland that is God's garbage dump and water is a rumor?

Dude, we have at minimum a Top 15 roster coming back- and they're mostly frosh and sophs. You have a bunch of promises. I'll take the hawk in the hand rather than the vulture on the dehydrated prey.

[Kahns Krazy]

A little off on the value of the basketball tickets. Because of the Priority seating donation, not to mention the scholarship row seats 4,000-25,000 per.

Donations start at $5000 and 10,000.

A $25,000* charitable gift is required to qualify for middle level (rows 17-29) priority seating ("E" areas behind the basket and corners). As priority seats become available in other areas (A, B, C, D areas), the charitable gift required for these seats will vary. *Gift amounts are subject to change based on ticket availability.

PLUS The actual price of the tickets.

Can't imagine his seats will be in the upper deck. So let's say 250,000 in lost priority seat donations and tickets, on the conservative side?
To think their Hall of Fame coach said it would take more than the 1.4 million TOTAL package he got in his last full year to get a Top level coach. (Think he was speaking of a Calipari, Izzo etc)

I don't buy your "lost charitable donation" argument as a cost to the school. People making those kinds of charitable donations make them if they're in row 5 or row 6. Sean taking 20 seats will not change the total level of charitable donations made for tickets.

I did attribute at $500 'donation' cost to the price of the basketball tickets.

[LadyMuskie]

I was talking about this year us making the sweet sixteen, not next year. If we make the tourney the next three years, we would have the longest NCAA tourney streak in the history of the NCAA. Miller is not going to let that 25 straight streak die without a fight. Hill and Kyryl are two bonafide diaper dandies and immediate starters on our team next year. read their ESPN and rivals scouting report. Whats going to happen to Xavier after next year? your recruiting class of 2009 looks bad now that miller left and 2010 could be brutal. Then what? you guys keep replacing good coaches with more good coaches, il give you that. Your AD is so much better than ours. But what if Chris Mack isnt that tight, what if fails? what then?

Do people living in Arizona get to skip grammar class? Honestly! I had to read this five times before I could figure out what you were trying to say. This post doesn't even make sense if you read it out loud. It may be the result of English teachers in grade school and high school who took grammar very seriously, but this post is painful to read. I found myself correcting your punctuation mistakes, misspellings and fragments instead of thinking about what your newest theory on Xavier basketball is.

Shouldn't there be some sort of rule that you have to be able to recognize and implement simple grammar rules before you can post?

[Sympathetic Fan]

I don't buy your "lost charitable donation" argument as a cost to the school. People making those kinds of charitable donations make them if they're in row 5 or row 6. Sean taking 20 seats will not change the total level of charitable donations made for tickets.

I did attribute at $500 'donation' cost to the price of the basketball tickets.

Hey, I'm on your side.
Go look at their athletic site. Plus I know people who have tickets there. It ISN'T just the first couple of rows.
They call that scholarship row and those seats run up to 25,000 per seat.
I'm assuming plus a donation.
The minimum suggested donation is 10,000 and those are for mid-row seats, it is over 5 years but the prices they are talking about are insane. PLUS the cost of the seats themselves. Look it up. For the UCLA game they had tickets on StubHub for $1000+.

Even ESPN said that they were trying to draw a name that could get people to pay $40,000 for a courtside seat.
That is insanity.

Other schools, you can get a seat through row 10 for 3000 including the donation.

Just saying he got a lot more money than anyone realizes and knowing those guys, who were calling for the interim to be replaced when they lost a few games, they won't be as patient as they claim.
Plus when Olson went there a builder built his house at COST. Their #1 booster owns the Angels and it really seems to me and many others across the country that this was about MONEY, end of story.

They have lowered their 'suggested donation amount' due to the economic downturn but that is still a lot of money. Especially when you consider that they are in the top 3 in foreclosures and the U is in a heap of financial trouble, as you outlined.

[danaandvictory]

[QUOTE=ItsMillerTime;120100]Whats going to happen to Xavier after next year? your recruiting class of 2009 looks bad now that miller left and 2010 could be brutal.[ /QUOTE]

Basically you're the Yankees. You've earned nothing, you've used superior financial resources to rape and pillage the XU program. Your coach is a dissembling scumbag without the simple dignity to face the kids he recruited as he chases the money train. Your AD is one of the biggest jokes in the business. You think Sean Miller has any loyalty to the University of Arizona? No fricking chance. He's got loyalty to a bag of money. So enjoy him, because if he doesn't tank he'll be chasing the next big payday.

[Kahns Krazy]

Hey, I'm on your side.
Go look at their athletic site. Plus I know people who have tickets there. It ISN'T just the first couple of rows.
They call that scholarship row and those seats run up to 25,000 per seat.
I'm assuming plus a donation.
The minimum suggested donation is 10,000 and those are for mid-row seats, it is over 5 years but the prices they are talking about are insane. PLUS the cost of the seats themselves. Look it up. For the UCLA game they had tickets on StubHub for $1000+.

Even ESPN said that they were trying to draw a name that could get people to pay $40,000 for a courtside seat.
That is insanity.

Other schools, you can get a seat through row 10 for 3000 including the donation.

Just saying he got a lot more money than anyone realizes and knowing those guys, who were calling for the interim to be replaced when they lost a few games, they won't be as patient as they claim.
Plus when Olson went there a builder built his house at COST. Their #1 booster owns the Angels and it really seems to me and many others across the country that this was about MONEY, end of story.

They have lowered their 'suggested donation amount' due to the economic downturn but that is still a lot of money. Especially when you consider that they are in the top 3 in foreclosures and the U is in a heap of financial trouble, as you outlined.


I still don't get your point. The school is not going to lose out on any contributions because Sean has seats. The seating areas and donation amounts are flexible.

I doubt they're going to give Sean the best 20 seats in the house to begin with, but even if they do, it doesn't change the population of people who are willing to make big contributions for excellent seats. It's not like there are a fixed number of $10,000 seats and Sean is going to take 20 of them.

[Sympathetic Fan]

I still don't get your point. The school is not going to lose out on any contributions because Sean has seats. The seating areas and donation amounts are flexible.

I doubt they're going to give Sean the best 20 seats in the house to begin with, but even if they do, it doesn't change the population of people who are willing to make big contributions for excellent seats. It's not like there are a fixed number of $10,000 seats and Sean is going to take 20 of them.

Yes there are a fixed # of seats for 9,00-35,000 and Olson's ex wife sat in one of them. It's called scholarship row.
The 'suggested' contribution? People got a BILL for it and have until May 1 to respond or lose their seating. ANY seats he takes up is lost revenue and adds to the PACKAGE he got from them, get it now?
Not even Coach Olson had that many seats allocated as far as my friend is telling me.

Seemed like the people on here were smarter than the average AZ fan and even they realize how hard it has been to get a good ticket. The $10,000 'suggested' donation is for mid level rows starting with row 17. They get points to add to the ability to get better seats but it all comes from spending money.
So bottom line is, at Arizona as at many schools, any seat given away is lost revenue.

My school has a flat donation fee that decreases as you go up. The only way to avoid the donation fee is to be a season ticket holder for 20+ years. The tickets themselves start at 2500 per and the luxury suites will sell for 60,000.

[Cheesehead]

I was talking about this year us making the sweet sixteen, not next year. If we make the tourney the next three years, we would have the longest NCAA tourney streak in the history of the NCAA. Miller is not going to let that 25 straight streak die without a fight. Hill and Kyryl are two bonafide diaper dandies and immediate starters on our team next year. read their ESPN and rivals scouting report. Whats going to happen to Xavier after next year? your recruiting class of 2009 looks bad now that miller left and 2010 could be brutal. Then what? you guys keep replacing good coaches with more good coaches, il give you that. Your AD is so much better than ours. But what if Chris Mack isnt that tight, what if fails? what then?

What if a giant asteroid hits the earth and we all die? That could happen too.

What if you could write a complete & gammatically correct sentence?
Well, that's probably not going to happen.

[arizcat04]

don't worry about IMT he's a n00b that will get pwned lawlz

[stxxu]

don't worry about IMT he's a n00b that will get pwned lawlz

What?

(extra letters)

[LadyMuskie]

don't worry about IMT he's a n00b that will get pwned lawlz

Is this English?:confused:

[Firehose]

don't worry about IMT he's a n00b that will get pwned lawlz

While I understand what you are saying and appreciate the fact that you police your own like we do, we're not really a 1337 board. We're from a school that is very proud of it's educational tradition and most of us speak foreign languages in lieu of technical languages. As such, konnen sie Deutsch?

[SixFig]

don't worry about IMT he's a n00b that will get pwned lawlz

I think we now know who crashed the site

[Kahns Krazy]

Yes there are a fixed # of seats for 9,00-35,000 and Olson's ex wife sat in one of them. It's called scholarship row.
The 'suggested' contribution? People got a BILL for it and have until May 1 to respond or lose their seating. ANY seats he takes up is lost revenue and adds to the PACKAGE he got from them, get it now?
Not even Coach Olson had that many seats allocated as far as my friend is telling me.

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I get what you think happens, but that's not what really happens.

If there are 100 people willing to contribute $25k per seat, guess how many $25k seats there will be? If there are 200 people willing to contribute $25k per seat, guess how many $25k seats there will be?

What do you think this language means?


*Gift amounts are subject to change based on ticket availability.

Miller getting 10 or 20 tickets does not change the population of people who are willing to contribute to get tickets.

[Sympathetic Fan]

I get what you think happens, but that's not what really happens.

If there are 100 people willing to contribute $25k per seat, guess how many $25k seats there will be? If there are 200 people willing to contribute $25k per seat, guess how many $25k seats there will be?

What do you think this language means?



Miller getting 10 or 20 tickets does not change the population of people who are willing to contribute to get tickets.

Basically, I've been there. What the whole thing means is, if someone gives up a longstanding ticket, the NEW ticket buyer pays $25,000 to get the same seat that the other guy may have been paying less for. The scholarship row seats don't 'suggest' a donation, it is MANDATORY for anyone buying those seats. There were 250 premium seats still available last year and my bet is with a stable situation and a 'real' coach, they would have been sold as they always were in the past. Look at it as 20 seats available for sale being given away. I'm sure coach O kept his seats as part of his separation agreement so it's not like his seats are just being transferred to Miller.
My guess is that Paul Weitman probably is paying for those 20 seats given to Miller, just as he and/or Jim Click are donating the cars. SOMEBODY is paying for those perks, granted. But I doubt Paul is required to pay a donation fee for those seats the same way my friend is required to pay the fee for his. The AZ fans even commented on the 20 tickets and KNOW how much that is worth to the program.

I'm not sure you understand what I've tried to say or how the whole thing works. If it wasn't part of the compensation package that actually affected his salary why mention it?
Or even what my original statement and purpose of that statement was. It is to say that the compensation package with Football tickets (which also require donations and my bet is he is in a suite) etc was worth a lot more than the value of the tickets that you stated.

You seem to be comparing it to the valuation of your own tickets and it doesn't work that way there. Olson sold people on that program and it became the place to be in Tucson (not like there's many other places you'd want to BE there). That drove the ticket prices up to ridiculous sums and nearly impossible to even get one, thus people who HAVE the money, willing to pay anything to get them. Now you can get a seat in the upper deck for $400 per ticket without a donation.

My WHOLE comment, all of my comments have been to support your program. To comment on the raw deal that 'mid-majors' like we are labeled, often get. The elitism that is exhibited by the schools like U of A and others who often aren't as good as teams like Xavier. The main basis for my interest and comments, the empathy for your players and fans and the lack of honesty from Miller that he left for the big bucks.
Most on here have gotten that, if you don't then fine. But you obviously have NO idea how their ticket system works or you would know how valuable those seats are and how much it reduces the actual revenue.
Me? I won't continue to try and press the point to someone who is arguing against someone who is supporting your program.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I get what you think happens, but that's not what really happens.

If there are 100 people willing to contribute $25k per seat, guess how many $25k seats there will be? If there are 200 people willing to contribute $25k per seat, guess how many $25k seats there will be?

What do you think this language means?



Miller getting 10 or 20 tickets does not change the population of people who are willing to contribute to get tickets.

I get what you are saying I think, but what if those people are only willing to "donate" that money for specific seats, 20 of which are being taken up by Miller. As soon as they have to go up a little or to a different section they arent willing to donate the $25,000 anymore. Then it would affect the revenue.

[_LH]

The main reason Miller left for Arizona was the huge pile of money they gave him. If the program is so great and coaches all over the country are drooling to coach there, why did it take a mountain of cash for Arizona to hire an A10 coach?

[boozehound]

Good point. If Arizona is the program that they think they are Floyd wouldn't have turned them down, and they definitely wouldn't have to pay upwards to $2MM per year for Miller.